[adam42381]

I mentioned this in another thread, but it deserves repeating: RED BRICK is going up on the new Liberty Arena.

Also in the same survey Ballcoach referenced, they wanted to know how much would be "too much" to pay for basketball season tickets. I'd love to know Ballcoach's answer for that one!

$ 12.00

For clarification, which one are you saying is too much: $12.00 for season tickets or $12.00 per game?

[ballcoach15]

12.00 per game. I think 10.00 should be max for single game general admission.

[adam42381]

12.00 per game. I think 10.00 should be max for single game general admission.

Fair enough.

[Cider Jim]

12.00 per game. I think 10.00 should be max for single game general admission.

Ballcoach, I realize that you've probably never bought an LU basketball ticket in your life, but do you know how much a single GA ticket costs in the current Vines Center?

$12 (but they give discounts for both seniors and military).

Do you really think the single game GA tickets will go DOWN in the new Liberty Arena???

[thepostman]

[tyndal23]

Watching Louisiana in a beautiful modern arena at about 30 % capacity - I agree the priority should be consecutive sellouts and energy ( max student body allowed 3k plus - closer to 3.5 k in my opinion ) vs trying to accommodate more fans. Make the season ticket holders pay premium but give 3 Saturday game plans for families and on the games students are out of school. ( GA tix would fluctuate accordingly ) Don’t give 1k plus cheap season tix that go empty half the time to casual fans - make those premium $ and sought after.

[jbock13]

I really hope that all of you who want us to jack up ticket prices put your money where your mouth is. Not everyone can afford $20 + a game.

[Class of 20Something]

I really hope that all of you who want us to jack up ticket prices put your money where your mouth is. Not everyone can afford $20 + a game.

Two sport season ticket holder. I already do.

[cruzan_flame13]

I really hope that all of you who want us to jack up ticket prices put your money where your mouth is. Not everyone can afford $20 + a game.

I think those admissions will be the smallest portion when it comes with attendance. I think season ticket holders and students should be the most recognized more based in their commitment. By the way, I think those who usually buy GA tickets to some games may become included in the season ticket holders category.

[rogers3]

If I happened to be a Charleston Southern fan, if be impressed and excited. It is a nice facility for the CSUs and Longwoods of college basketball. It is an improvement over the old Multipurpose gym, for sure. Puts us in the middle of the ASun pack, right where we want to be!

[thepostman]

Other then size, it's a huge step up from the Vines.

[LUOrange]

If I happened to be a Charleston Southern fan, if be impressed and excited. It is a nice facility for the CSUs and Longwoods of college basketball. It is an improvement over the old Multipurpose gym, for sure. Puts us in the middle of the ASun pack, right where we want to be!

It's great for WBB and volleyball.

[thepostman]

I don't get the love for the Vines Center. Other then seating capacity it is kind of a dump. Just my humble opinion.

This place is going to be on par with the higher quality facilities other programs on campus have enjoyed. I'll take quality over quantity any day of the week.

Again just my humble opinion.

[olldflame]

I don't get the love for the Vines Center. Other then seating capacity it is kind of a dump. Just my humble opinion.

This place is going to be on par with the higher quality facilities other programs on campus have enjoyed. I'll take quality over quantity any day of the week.

Again just my humble opinion.

I totally agree on quality trumping quantity. We currently have by far the largest facility in the ASUN, and while it is true that thanks to our program's resurgence we are leading the conference in attendance, we are also still at or near the lead in the category of most empty seats per game. I am fairly confident next year we will be DEAD LAST in that one, which is right where we want to be. It looks like some are still clinging to the idea that having an essentially unlimited capacity so that anyone who wants can decide to go to a game at the last minute and have no worries about being able to get in is a good thing. It's not.

[cruzan_flame13]

I don't get the love for the Vines Center. Other then seating capacity it is kind of a dump. Just my humble opinion.

This place is going to be on par with the higher quality facilities other programs on campus have enjoyed. I'll take quality over quantity any day of the week.

Again just my humble opinion.

Some reason the logic is more seats equals amazing atmosphere. I believe that the arena is a good idea financially, home court advantage and for those who really want to support the school based on the changes. We want that court(hopefully will be named the Richie McKay Court) to become historic place nationally and especially regionally. Now we will have demand for premium seating, which will not look as empty like in the Vines. Liberty will recognize the students and season ticket holders more than those who usually come to a couple games or want the cheap tickets. If LU continues to grow, those folks need to make a decision; either become a season ticket holder or have limited space where you might have to do a lottery pick or watch the game at home. The arena will mostly be packed and not quite empty in the Vines especially on the premium ticket side. This is business and it will not be a waste like it was in the Vines. Furthermore, as stated above, the Vines interior looks like a dump, which portrayed our program under Layer. This is also my opinion of course.

[BlueBlood]

I don't get the love for the Vines Center. Other then seating capacity it is kind of a dump. Just my humble opinion.

This place is going to be on par with the higher quality facilities other programs on campus have enjoyed. I'll take quality over quantity any day of the week.

Again just my humble opinion.

For some of us, I’m not sure that it is love for the Vine Center. I think a few of us would just like to see admin choose two or three big games a year and try to get big crowds for those games. Events like that are great for school spirit.

[olldflame]

I don't get the love for the Vines Center. Other then seating capacity it is kind of a dump. Just my humble opinion.

This place is going to be on par with the higher quality facilities other programs on campus have enjoyed. I'll take quality over quantity any day of the week.

Again just my humble opinion.

For some of us, I’m not sure that it is love for the Vine Center. I think a few of us would just like to see admin choose two or three big games a year and try to get big crowds for those games. Events like that are great for school spirit.

While I disagree, I understand how some people may think that's a good idea. They need to get over it, because it's not going to happen. It's not going to happen because the person who has the most say in the matter, more than Ian, more even than JLFJR, is dead set against it, and that person is Ritchie McKay. Even if his superiors may disagree (and I don't think they do at this point) they are not going to pull rank on this. It's just not worth it.

[rogers3]

I don't get the love for the Vines Center. Other then seating capacity it is kind of a dump. Just my humble opinion.

This place is going to be on par with the higher quality facilities other programs on campus have enjoyed. I'll take quality over quantity any day of the week.

Again just my humble opinion.

For some of us, I’m not sure that it is love for the Vine Center. I think a few of us would just like to see admin choose two or three big games a year and try to get big crowds for those games. Events like that are great for school spirit.

While I disagree, I understand how some people may think that's a good idea. They need to get over it, because it's not going to happen. It's not going to happen because the person who has the most say in the matter, more than Ian, more even than JLFJR, is dead set against it, and that person is Ritchie McKay. Even if his superiors may disagree (and I don't think they do at this point) they are not going to pull rank on this. It's just not worth it.

Not really sure who you are, but you are NOT anyone's ambassador. You certainly aren't qualified to predict the future, either.

It will be nice to watch us play in our small school arena as I sip on a beer in my home theater! You know, we should open with Lynchburg, as a sellout will be guaranteed.

[rogers3]

One other thing... I would be concerned if a coach would ever rule out trying a larger arena. It sounds like a lack of confidence in developing a slate of home games that draw interest.

[thepostman]

Small school arenas don't typically have the amenities this new arena will.

[Class of 20Something]

So let's look at facts we know about business and do a little math.

Students are not paid butts in seats and do not add to the bottom line.

RMK Arena will have a cap on students. I would estimate around 1500 seats and freedom for the remaining 500 SRO.

The average attendance during the last two seasons was 2913 and currently 4112.

In 2018 two games exceeded 50% of Vines capacity. Said another way, in RMK Arena, people would have turned away at a SRO 4500 twice. Shockingly, those numbers are the same this season.

Let’s say for arguments sake that the average Vines ticket is $10, RMK is $20, Vines averages 50% of the announced attendance is students, and RMK 1500 seats plus 500 SRO are for the students.

Looking at the four games in the past two years that would have been past 4500 capacity let’s match out the gross revenue difference.

For those four games I’ll even multiply the attendance number by 25% for some exclusivity of vines center games(which is probably being generous), assuming that the students increase from the max of 2000 of the SRO to 3000. So we're still only talking an average attendance of these four games of under 7500. Or, just under 4500 paid.

So having both venues in this case still at $20 a ticket, Liberty would gross $132,275. But that's not considering ANY of the costs associated.

Both the stage and tech crews have to set up and tear down. Four times

Concessions would have to be revived from the dead. Equipment moved. There and back. Four times.

Security checkpoints all have to get moved there and back. Four times.

All of these personnel also are not doing other things they are capable of.

Let's call it $35k in salary to all of these folks.

Not considering having to either tear the court out of RMK or buy a new one too.

All just to make an extra $95 over two years??

Just to play in an arena that STILL WOULDN'T BE 80% FULL.

They could double that profit in a single season at RMK Arena without raising a finger by raising the average ticket price to $25.

[rogers3]

So let's look at facts we know about business and do a little math.

Students are not paid butts in seats and do not add to the bottom line.

RMK Arena will have a cap on students. I would estimate around 1500 seats and freedom for the remaining 500 SRO.

The average attendance during the last two seasons was 2913 and currently 4112.

In 2018 two games exceeded 50% of Vines capacity. Said another way, in RMK Arena, people would have turned away at a SRO 4500 twice. Shockingly, those numbers are the same this season.

Let’s say for arguments sake that the average Vines ticket is $10, RMK is $20, Vines averages 50% of the announced attendance is students, and RMK 1500 seats plus 500 SRO are for the students.

Looking at the four games in the past two years that would have been past 4500 capacity let’s match out the gross revenue difference.

For those four games I’ll even multiply the attendance number by 25% for some exclusivity of vines center games(which is probably being generous), assuming that the students increase from the max of 2000 of the SRO to 3000. So we're still only talking an average attendance of these four games of under 7500. Or, just under 4500 paid.

So having both venues in this case still at $20 a ticket, Liberty would gross $132,275. But that's not considering ANY of the costs associated.

Both the stage and tech crews have to set up and tear down. Four times

Concessions would have to be revived from the dead. Equipment moved. There and back. Four times.

Security checkpoints all have to get moved there and back. Four times.

All of these personnel also are not doing other things they are capable of.

Let's call it $35k in salary to all of these folks.

Not considering having to either tear the court out of RMK or buy a new one too.

All just to make an extra $95 over two years??

Just to play in an arena that STILL WOULDN'T BE 80% FULL.

They could double that profit in a single season at RMK Arena without raising a finger by raising the average ticket price to $25.

That is the same logic the newspaper companies deployed when prices started going up. For them, it was really just an indicator of a growing irrelevance. Maybe that is the case with our
future opponents...irrelevant and uninteresting.
By the way, I can guess at the future as well as anyone here!

[Class of 20Something]

That is the same logic the newspaper companies deployed when prices started going up. For them, it was really just an indicator of a growing irrelevance. Maybe that is the case with our
future opponents...irrelevant and uninteresting.
By the way, I can guess at the future as well as anyone here!

We've met. You're one of the intelligent and relatively objective people on this board. You tipped your hand and I know you're capable of understanding supply and demand. Their prices were going up because fewer were buying. That's the supply side reacting to the demand dropping. But unlike something like milk, that swings back once dairy farmers sell their milk into another more profitable market, thus dropping that supply past the dip in demand, then causing a swing past market equilibrium, the demand for the content of newspapers went online. So did the surviving newspapers.

With this arena, the supply side is being limited below the demand. Thankfully, our team is supporting that.

I just can't fathom that Liberty needs $24k a game twice a year, perfectly selected games.

I used generous math just to play devils advocate. Is DA against the rules here? I never checked.

[tyndal23]

Do we have the only wooden floor in America that has to be “ torn out “ and doesn’t come out in sections in about 45 minutes ?

[olldflame]

Do we have the only wooden floor in America that has to be “ torn out “ and doesn’t come out in sections in about 45 minutes ?

Hardly. Sectional floors are generally used in situations where they are the only option, such as those installed over hockey ice in multi-purpose arenas. They come with their own set of problems, because any time you take something apart and put it back together, there is a risk of damage, and even under normal circumstances the surface is tends to not be as consistent as a permanent floor. I believe the current situation in the Vines involves laying a protective layer of matting over the floor for convo and removing it for basketball.