[Jonathan Carone]

None of them mention the trinity by name either but I’m pretty sure you believe in that.

[Jonathan Carone]

Oh! New game:

The ballcoach15 best verses out of context!

[thepostman]

But none, when read in context, say they can't.

[Purple Haize]

There are 31,102 verses in the Bible. We could argue each one, until Christ returns. But none say women can pastor a church

So you didn’t look at the verses I gave you to compare and contrast
The Bible also doesn’t tell you to do a lot of things (drive a car, fly in a plane, do mathematical computation)
So. Look at my verses and tell me how you reconcile them with your beliefs

[rtb72]

There are 31,102 verses in the Bible. We could argue each one, until Christ returns. But none say women can pastor a church

Right...and that's where one discerns based on context, the era in which it was written, translation, etc. How do you define the church? Or a pastor? There are numerous examples where women in the Bible led, taught, or "pastored" believers in one way or another.

*Pastor*: One who feeds the flock; shepherd...pas'-ter (ro`eh; poimen; literally, a helper, or feeder of the sheep.

*Bible Tools (2020) Baker's Evangelical Dictionary of Biblical Theology. Salem Media Group. https://www.biblestudytools.com/dictionary/pastor/.

Was Mother Teresa not a pastor to His flock? Was my grandmother not a pastor to our family, when she led me and many others in our family and community to Christ, including two other community members even still serving as Baptist ministers. More precisely to the Bible, what about Phoebe (Romans 16:1), Lydia and Thyatira (Acts 16:15), or Nympha (Colossians 4:15)....just to name a few. Specifically, some of these women "led" churches in their home. While you assert the Bible says women cannot pastor a church, there are countless examples where they are lauded as doing just that...not a building or "institution" as it were....but the truest sense of The Church....a body of believers.

I'm not going to discount your interpretation of the Bible...that's not my place. We all have an INDIVIDUAL and PERSONAL relationship with Christ that helps us in our embrace and understanding of Scripture, as well as how we apply it to our own life. But I do believe the Bible, as i understand and embrace it, makes it clear that we are all one in Christ (Galatians 3:28). The Great Commission was applied to ALL BELIEVERS. Christ was very sensitive to the role of women and clearly demonstrated in numerous passionate accounts of how important their role was and is to His Kingdom....even in HOW they led other believers.

[Jonathan Carone]

For the record, I wasn’t expecting this much support for women in the church from the Liberty community. It’s been nice to see.

[thepostman]

You should've lived in the dorms for at least a year. You would've seen a ton of different views in theology. Some of the best discussions in my life. I can only imagine it is even more diverse now.

[thepostman]

There are 31,102 verses in the Bible. We could argue each one, until Christ returns. But none say women can pastor a church

Right...and that's where one discerns based on context, the era in which it was written, translation, etc. How do you define the church? Or a pastor? There are numerous examples where women in the Bible led, taught, or "pastored" believers in one way or another.

*Pastor*: One who feeds the flock; shepherd...pas'-ter (ro`eh; poimen; literally, a helper, or feeder of the sheep.

*Bible Tools (2020) Baker's Evangelical Dictionary of Biblical Theology. Salem Media Group. https://www.biblestudytools.com/dictionary/pastor/.

Was Mother Teresa not a pastor to His flock? Was my grandmother not a pastor to our family, when she led me and many others in our family and community to Christ, including two other community members even still serving as Baptist ministers. More precisely to the Bible, what about Phoebe (Romans 16:1), Lydia and Thyatira (Acts 16:15), or Nympha (Colossians 4:15)....just to name a few. Specifically, some of these women "led" churches in their home. While you assert the Bible says women cannot pastor a church, there are countless examples where they are lauded as doing just that...not a building or "institution" as it were....but the truest sense of The Church....a body of believers.

I'm not going to discount your interpretation of the Bible...that's not my place. We all have an INDIVIDUAL and PERSONAL relationship with Christ that helps us in our embrace and understanding of Scripture, as well as how we apply it to our own life. But I do believe the Bible, as i understand and embrace it, makes it clear that we are all one in Christ (Galatians 3:28). The Great Commission was applied to ALL BELIEVERS. Christ was very sensitive to the role of women and clearly demonstrated in numerous passionate accounts of how important their role was and is to His Kingdom....even in HOW they led other believers.

This is such a good post. Really appreciate the word you brought here.

[Cider Jim]

Ballcoach, do you believe in female missionaries that serve in churches, or should all missionaries be male?

[Purple Haize]

A young ballcoach perhaps?

[Tnobes]

So if a group of people who are Methodists don’t like the teachings of the Methodist Church, attempt to get the rules changed and fail, why don’t they just make a clean break and start their own thing?

Because their goal is to destroy the denomination, my own home church who I was a pastor at many years ago tried to do the same thing to our denomination, but thankfully we voted them out of our denomination (evangelical covenant) at our last annual meeting for being out of harmony with our denomination. Instead of just leaving on their own because they were pro Homosexual agenda they dragged the denomination through the mud. Evil at work

[Tnobes]

Truth be known, they are not churches. They're just people meeting on Sunday mornings. A church is a body of believers.

I call them community centers, they are not churches, they are people worshipping a god they created in their own image

[ballcoach15]

Ballcoach, do you believe in female missionaries that serve in churches, or should all missionaries be male?

Yes, women can serve in churches, they just cannot be the Pastor.

[TH Spangler]

Because their goal is to destroy the denomination, my own home church who I was a pastor at many years ago tried to do the same thing to our denomination, but thankfully we voted them out of our denomination (evangelical covenant) at our last annual meeting for being out of harmony with our denomination. Instead of just leaving on their own because they were pro Homosexual agenda they dragged the denomination through the mud. Evil at work

I believe the Catholic Church has already tried mainstreaming various sin with unsatisfactory outcomes.

[thepostman]

Ballcoach, do you believe in female missionaries that serve in churches, or should all missionaries be male?

Yes, women can serve in churches, they just cannot be the Pastor.

But how can they remain silent and serve at the same time? There are holes in your theology that you aren't filling in because you refuse to look at culture, timeline and context.

[ballcoach15]

Ballcoach, do you believe in female missionaries that serve in churches, or should all missionaries be male?

Yes, women can serve in churches, they just cannot be the Pastor.

But how can they remain silent and serve at the same time? There are holes in your theology that you aren't filling in because you refuse to look at culture, timeline and context.

When looking at culture, timeline and context, one must be careful not to add or take away from God's word.

[thepostman]

For sure. But answer my question instead of just a cliche response. If you take that scripture out of context and at face value like you have, women shouldn't at all be heard from while attending church.

Obviously that is crazy but that is the bed you make when you don't put things in context and study historical context.

[TH Spangler]

Men need to step up and lead. They're not, that's the problem.

[thepostman]

What problem are you talking about?

[TH Spangler]

What problem are you talking about?

I'll let you figure it out on your own.

[thepostman]

Way to lead!

[Purple Haize]

For sure. But answer my question instead of just a cliche response. If you take that scripture out of context and at face value like you have, women shouldn't at all be heard from while attending church.

Obviously that is crazy but that is the bed you make when you don't put things in context and study historical context.

It’s apparent he speaks the words but does not understand what they mean. It’s becoming obvious he has not thought it out but thinks he has

[ballcoach15]

Hillary Clinton is a Methodist. That's enough to split the church.

[thepostman]

What does that have to do with our discussion right now?

[alabama24]

So if a group of people who are Methodists don’t like the teachings of the Methodist Church, attempt to get the rules changed and fail, why don’t they just make a clean break and start their own thing?

The Methodist Church is not like Baptist churches where the LOCAL congregation is autonomous. The denomination hires the pastoral staff. The denomination owns the building. A "clean break" is much harder to do.