[tyndal23]

I am hoping for an invitation to AAC or Big 12.

Due to Ian actually referencing AAC more than once, wouldn’t surprise me if we are on docket for a vote when next meeting occurs ( and I have no clue how/ when AAC meets or votes ) nor do I have any inside info - just seems logical that we would be at least discussing with them at AD level. Makes too much sense for them to add a replacement for UConn.

[JK37]

BYU feels like the one.

I see the benefits to annual game with BC as very one-sided. What’s in it for them? We could beat them! ACC team can’t be having that.

The first few years of FBS scheduling look nice enough. Beat a few P5’s, and watch how hard it becomes to schedule them until we are officially classified as a P5 equivalent by conferences.

Beat LU? So what, they’re brand new FBS, barely G5. Lose to LU? OMG!!! WTF!!!!!! TSIF!!!!!!!!!!

Agree with last 2 points 100 percent - big reason we need to announce it now and schedule ASAP as P5 Equivalent with ACC supporting it - otherwise road just gets tougher for scheduling. As for BC I stated incentivize because they are only ACC small enough and religious enough that might find it intriguing but we would have to foot the bill. BYU and any Independents are a given - I am looking for P5 potential like Vandy and BC - possibly North Western TCU types

Announce what? BYU wasn’t considered P5 just because they themselves said so. After years of scheduling that way, conferences and the committee chose that distinction for them.

I’d love to get the low-10 of the P5. The Vandy’s, BC’s, Northwestern’s, etc. But they don’t need our money and they don’t want the risk.

[Purple Haize]

BYU feels like the one.

I see the benefits to annual game with BC as very one-sided. What’s in it for them? We could beat them! ACC team can’t be having that.

The first few years of FBS scheduling look nice enough. Beat a few P5’s, and watch how hard it becomes to schedule them until we are officially classified as a P5 equivalent by conferences.

Beat LU? So what, they’re brand new FBS, barely G5. Lose to LU? OMG!!! WTF!!!!!! TSIF!!!!!!!!!!

Agree with last 2 points 100 percent - big reason we need to announce it now and schedule ASAP as P5 Equivalent with ACC supporting it - otherwise road just gets tougher for scheduling. As for BC I stated incentivize because they are only ACC small enough and religious enough that might find it intriguing but we would have to foot the bill. BYU and any Independents are a given - I am looking for P5 potential like Vandy and BC - possibly North Western TCU types

Announce what? BYU wasn’t considered P5 just because they themselves said so. After years of scheduling that way, conferences and the committee chose that distinction for them.

I’d love to get the low-10 of the P5. The Vandy’s, BC’s, Northwestern’s, etc. But they don’t need our money and they don’t want the risk.

Lookit. If LU says they are P5 they are P5. Duh. Trust the vision. Remember people laughed when LU said it was going to have a women’s LAX team, but who is laughing now. LU is ALL ABOUT the Name IT Claim It theology Hold on...Beth Moore line 1

[ballcoach15]

It takes way more than playing every year to become a real rivalry. Marshall and Liberty have very little in regards to a connection.

Both BYU and ODU have some very obvious connections that could develop into a rivalry.

What is it about Marshall ballcoach?

Marshall is an established football school, unlike ODU. Granted ODU is in state and closer, but Marshall is a far better team. Plus I would like to think the Herd has more fans than ODU. I don't understand anyone's fascination with ODU football, beyond city limits of Norfolk.
When we played ODU, how many fans did they bring.

[Purple Haize]

It takes way more than playing every year to become a real rivalry. Marshall and Liberty have very little in regards to a connection.

Both BYU and ODU have some very obvious connections that could develop into a rivalry.

What is it about Marshall ballcoach?

Marshall is an established football school, unlike ODU. Granted ODU is in state and closer, but Marshall is a far better team. Plus I would like to think the Herd has more fans than ODU. I don't understand anyone's fascination with ODU football, beyond city limits of Norfolk.
When we played ODU, how many fans did they bring.

They are established. LU is not. That does not make a good ingredient for a rivalry

[phoenix]

I'm hoping for an annual Flames/Herd game just so I can drive 45 minutes to an LU game

[JK37]

I'm hoping for an annual Flames/Herd game just so I can drive 45 minutes to an LU game

From the boondocks eh?

[thepostman]

It takes way more than playing every year to become a real rivalry. Marshall and Liberty have very little in regards to a connection.

Both BYU and ODU have some very obvious connections that could develop into a rivalry.

What is it about Marshall ballcoach?

Marshall is an established football school, unlike ODU. Granted ODU is in state and closer, but Marshall is a far better team. Plus I would like to think the Herd has more fans than ODU. I don't understand anyone's fascination with ODU football, beyond city limits of Norfolk.
When we played ODU, how many fans did they bring.

This helps explain why we would like to play them but doesn't explain why this could turn into a rivalry.

[Cider Jim]

I'm hoping for an annual Flames/Herd game just so I can drive 45 minutes to an LU game

From the boondocks eh?

JK, Huntington has 20,000 more residents than Morgantown does. Boondocks? That's Morgantown!

[Purple Haize]

I'm hoping for an annual Flames/Herd game just so I can drive 45 minutes to an LU game

From the boondocks eh?

JK, Huntington has 20,000 more residents than Morgantown does. Boondocks? That's Morgantown!

That’s because we’re selective!

[LUOrange]

I said it before, but we should do our best to have UVA, Tech, ODU, and BYU on our schedule as much as possible. If we're fortunate enough to land in a conference, we still should do our best to play those schools as much as possible. It also makes sense while we're an Independent, for us to play all of the regional P5 and G5 schools as much as possible.

However, in order to create a rivalry we have to play a team, any team, frequently. And in order to play a team frequently, they have to reciprocate the willingness to play. i know we signed a Home and Home with Marshall, but I'm not sure how much they really want to play us. I've read that they kept JMU out of CUSA and they probably helped block us from CUSA as well. I wouldn't hold my breath waiting on a rivalry with Marshall anytime soon. Including the past 2 seasons, we play(ed) ODU 4 out of 6 seasons and UMass every year through 2027. We play them the most of any schoosl, not counting NMSU, within our first 6 years of FBS. Unless we join a conference soon, they're our best options as a football rival.

[JK37]

I'm hoping for an annual Flames/Herd game just so I can drive 45 minutes to an LU game

From the boondocks eh?

JK, Huntington has 20,000 more residents than Morgantown does. Boondocks? That's Morgantown!

Mountaineer Field becomes the largest city in the state on sold out game days. But that wasn’t my point.

Census statistics don’t include the 30,000 students that move into Morgantown each fall. But that wasn’t my point, either.

He said 45 minutes to an LU game. Go 45 minutes from Huntington in any direction. Your first question will be, “Where are all the people?”

[Logic]

BYU is the one.

[tyndal23]

Agree with last 2 points 100 percent - big reason we need to announce it now and schedule ASAP as P5 Equivalent with ACC supporting it - otherwise road just gets tougher for scheduling. As for BC I stated incentivize because they are only ACC small enough and religious enough that might find it intriguing but we would have to foot the bill. BYU and any Independents are a given - I am looking for P5 potential like Vandy and BC - possibly North Western TCU types

Announce what? BYU wasn’t considered P5 just because they themselves said so. After years of scheduling that way, conferences and the committee chose that distinction for them.

OK - what year did BYU go Independent and what year was first conference that accepted them as P5 Equvalent ?


I’d love to get the low-10 of the P5. The Vandy’s, BC’s, Northwestern’s, etc. But they don’t need our money and they don’t want the risk.

True - but Vandy and BC are a little unique. As for rest of the P5 teams- vital to be P5 Equivalent for the conference and as for “ announcement” first step is stating in a press conference the year we plan to schedule 7 or more P5 games so that conferences like the ACC and others we will play frequently can consider us a P5 win ( happy to word it for the University for free when ready to announce ). Next step is to have ACC approve which will take all of 5 minutes since we play 4 of their teams a year already - helps them as much as us.

Lookit. If LU says they are P5 they are P5. Duh. Trust the vision. Remember people laughed when LU said it was going to have a women’s LAX team, but who is laughing now. LU is ALL ABOUT the Name IT Claim It theology Hold on...Beth Moore line 1

Purple - again - lay out your map for getting to beating USC and Notre Dame ( besides “just winning” and P5 will come begging us to join nonsense )

[phoenix]

I'm hoping for an annual Flames/Herd game just so I can drive 45 minutes to an LU game

From the boondocks eh?

Not FROM here, just LIVING here for now.

But yeah, pretty much.

[Purple Haize]

@tyndal23 we have different visions for what we see as the future of LU football. I would like to see sustained and consistent growth and stability while minimizing the compromises made to the school’s mission. If that ends up and results in beating USC and ND great. If not, I won’t lose sleep over it. Designing a program with the sole purpose of defeating ND and/or USC with the resources LU has is a stretch but not beyond the realm of possibility. But then what? Lots of flash in the pan programs across lots of sports. So to start we judge success differently
The fact you belittle the concept of “just win” begs the question as to your alternative. If you think “just winning” isn’t a good strategy, then if stands to reason you think “just losing” is a better strategy?
LU has to bring something to the table. Obviously, cash money didn’t work. But a culture of winning, a Brand and a fan base are shoe ins for Conferences to take a look at you. Do you build all that by playing games in an empty JerryWorld? Do you build a fan base by having losing seasons after losing seasons? This was an exemplary first year of FBS for LU. I’m happy with it. I’m happy with how the scheduling is shaking out the next few years. But I also know that is going to get trickier and trickier. LU is going to need take and make its shots when it gets them. But they need to prepared with a good foundation to do so

[tyndal23]

@tyndal23 we have different visions for what we see as the future of LU football. I would like to see sustained and consistent growth and stability while minimizing the compromises made to the school’s mission. If that ends up and results in beating USC and ND great. If not, I won’t lose sleep over it. Designing a program with the sole purpose of defeating ND and/or USC with the resources LU has is a stretch but not beyond the realm of possibility. But then what? Lots of flash in the pan programs across lots of sports. So to start we judge success differently
The fact you belittle the concept of “just win” begs the question as to your alternative. If you think “just winning” isn’t a good strategy, then if stands to reason you think “just losing” is a better strategy?
LU has to bring something to the table. Obviously, cash money didn’t work. But a culture of winning, a Brand and a fan base are shoe ins for Conferences to take a look at you. Do you build all that by playing games in an empty JerryWorld? Do you build a fan base by having losing seasons after losing seasons? This was an exemplary first year of FBS for LU. I’m happy with it. I’m happy with how the scheduling is shaking out the next few years. But I also know that is going to get trickier and trickier. LU is going to need take and make its shots when it gets them. But they need to prepared with a good foundation to do so

Great response - thank you.

[Cider Jim]

Go 45 minutes from Huntington in any direction. Your first question will be, “Where are all the people?”

Huntington can't help that it's in the tri-state area: go 45 minutes north, and you're in backwoods Ohio; go 45 minutes west or south and you're in backwoods Kentucky; go 45 minutes east and you're nearing the state capitol of Charleston.

Go 45 minutes from LYNCHBURG in any direction. Your first question will be, “Where are all the people?”

FIFY

[Liberty22]

@tyndal23 we have different visions for what we see as the future of LU football. I would like to see sustained and consistent growth and stability while minimizing the compromises made to the school’s mission. If that ends up and results in beating USC and ND great. If not, I won’t lose sleep over it. Designing a program with the sole purpose of defeating ND and/or USC with the resources LU has is a stretch but not beyond the realm of possibility. But then what? Lots of flash in the pan programs across lots of sports. So to start we judge success differently
The fact you belittle the concept of “just win” begs the question as to your alternative. If you think “just winning” isn’t a good strategy, then if stands to reason you think “just losing” is a better strategy?
LU has to bring something to the table. Obviously, cash money didn’t work. But a culture of winning, a Brand and a fan base are shoe ins for Conferences to take a look at you. Do you build all that by playing games in an empty JerryWorld? Do you build a fan base by having losing seasons after losing seasons? This was an exemplary first year of FBS for LU. I’m happy with it. I’m happy with how the scheduling is shaking out the next few years. But I also know that is going to get trickier and trickier. LU is going to need take and make its shots when it gets them. But they need to prepared with a good foundation to do so

That’s the same thing people said about moving up to FBS, that we would need a “firm foundation”. What does a firm foundation even mean? How has a firm foundation helped schools like Marshall, GaSo, etc. we are competing at the same level without that so called firm foundation. I see what you’re saying about losing seasons but we’ve got 5-6 seasons before we can schedule like a true P5, so that gives us 5-6 seasons to lay a good foundation of recruits that know what we’re building towards. Why assume we can’t recruit like a Georgia if we schedule like a Georgia? You said “LU needs to take and make its shots when they get them” to me taking that shot is scheduling what you want to be. We have the right coach who can cast a vision in recruiting. He could build it and you know what they say about if you build it.

[Purple Haize]

@tyndal23 we have different visions for what we see as the future of LU football. I would like to see sustained and consistent growth and stability while minimizing the compromises made to the school’s mission. If that ends up and results in beating USC and ND great. If not, I won’t lose sleep over it. Designing a program with the sole purpose of defeating ND and/or USC with the resources LU has is a stretch but not beyond the realm of possibility. But then what? Lots of flash in the pan programs across lots of sports. So to start we judge success differently
The fact you belittle the concept of “just win” begs the question as to your alternative. If you think “just winning” isn’t a good strategy, then if stands to reason you think “just losing” is a better strategy?
LU has to bring something to the table. Obviously, cash money didn’t work. But a culture of winning, a Brand and a fan base are shoe ins for Conferences to take a look at you. Do you build all that by playing games in an empty JerryWorld? Do you build a fan base by having losing seasons after losing seasons? This was an exemplary first year of FBS for LU. I’m happy with it. I’m happy with how the scheduling is shaking out the next few years. But I also know that is going to get trickier and trickier. LU is going to need take and make its shots when it gets them. But they need to prepared with a good foundation to do so

That’s the same thing people said about moving up to FBS, that we would need a “firm foundation”. What does a firm foundation even mean? How has a firm foundation helped schools like Marshall, GaSo, etc. we are competing at the same level without that so called firm foundation. I see what you’re saying about losing seasons but we’ve got 5-6 seasons before we can schedule like a true P5, so that gives us 5-6 seasons to lay a good foundation of recruits that know what we’re building towards. Why assume we can’t recruit like a Georgia if we schedule like a Georgia? You said “LU needs to take and make its shots when they get them” to me taking that shot is scheduling what you want to be. We have the right coach who can cast a vision in recruiting. He could build it and you know what they say about if you build it.

If you keep throwing up losing records you’re not going to be able to recruit like Ga State let alone UGA.
A firm foundation has helped Marshall a whole lot. And it made GA Southern transition a bit easier. Although they’ve had growing pains as well.
Building teams takes winning and the promise of a chance at something special. Scheduling like a P5 won’t get the winning which won’t get the recruits. You want to compare LU with all of these Upper P5 schools, understand they ALL have a solid foundation and tradition. That doesn’t happen overnight. Nor does it happen in one recruiting cycle. Judge LU by what it is, not by what you wish it to be. The non sell out against Syracuse should be a red flag for those of you who are full speed ahead P5. It’s a shot of cold water with just how much foundation LU actually has

[cruzan_flame13]

"But we don't know how long Freeze will stay to do so." That's one talking point that will be used based on your response. Well, since we have him, why not used him based on the skills he has, which is a P5 coach. We've made it this far with vision and acting on some of them. We are ahead in many ways than some teams that were mentioned as more successful (when they became FBS)and the resources to do so. I'm not expecting this to happen overnight, but I don't think we have to prolong it longer than it needs to be (like decades as some folks have mentioned in the threads). We can all agree that we should do what we can when the opportunity comes; stalling will not help us gain an opportunity. Again, these are just thoughts.

[Purple Haize]

"But we don't know how long Freeze will stay to do so." That's one talking point that will be used based on your response. Well, since we have him, why not used him based on the skills he has, which is a P5 coach. We've made it this far with vision and acting on some of them. We are ahead in many ways than some teams that were mentioned as more successful (when they became FBS)and the resources to do so. I'm not expecting this to happen overnight, but I don't think we have to prolong it longer than it needs to be (like decades as some folks have mentioned in the threads). We can all agree that we should do what we can when the opportunity comes; stalling will not help us gain an opportunity. Again, these are just thoughts.

LU is using his P5 experience. Have you wondered why they all of a sudden rebuilt the FOC? Saying LU has a P5 Coach and therefore is a P5 school is erroneous. LU was not an NFL program when it had an NFL Coach. I don’t know how long he will be here. I stated I hope it’s for 20 years. Giving him a big extension certainly helps lay a foundation of consistency. And if he leaves in a year or two who they bring in next will say a lot about that as well. Things take time. Not as long as they once did. But sustained success is impossible to achieve overnight in a fly by the seat of your pants manner. Or by seeing things as how you wish them to be but how they can be

[Liberty22]

If you keep throwing up losing records you’re not going to be able to recruit like Ga State let alone UGA.
A firm foundation has helped Marshall a whole lot. And it made GA Southern transition a bit easier. Although they’ve had growing pains as well.
Building teams takes winning and the promise of a chance at something special. Scheduling like a P5 won’t get the winning which won’t get the recruits. You want to compare LU with all of these Upper P5 schools, understand they ALL have a solid foundation and tradition. That doesn’t happen overnight. Nor does it happen in one recruiting cycle. Judge LU by what it is, not by what you wish it to be. The non sell out against Syracuse should be a red flag for those of you who are full speed ahead P5. It’s a shot of cold water with just how much foundation LU actually has

I agree losing seasons could hurt but all programs have losing seasons. We were also told if we didn’t have great success at FCS than we would have losing seasons at FBS but we’ve had two winning seasons at FBS with FCS rosters. So what I’m saying is we have the right coach and need to capitalize on it. Again schedules set for several seasons so we are talking 5-6 seasons out. Marshall isn’t set up any more than we are with their foundation. Schools like Kent State, Tulsa, Marshall, E. Mich, etc etc all have foundations but are in no better position than we are. You schedule what you want to be and you recruit what you want to be. We have the right recruiter and we have the right schedulers I think, we just need to start doing it. When did Clemson start becoming the dynasty it is right now? They’ve had the schedule. (Sort of haha) but they had many mediocre and losing seasons before Dabo. It wasn’t the foundation that got them there, it was the right coach who could recruit. He built them into what they are. We have the right coach who can recruit, if we had a P5 schedule he could recruit even better. Will it take some time? Yes. But this idea of having to be a slow build over decades to become a power is short sighted in my opinion.

[Purple Haize]

If you keep throwing up losing records you’re not going to be able to recruit like Ga State let alone UGA.
A firm foundation has helped Marshall a whole lot. And it made GA Southern transition a bit easier. Although they’ve had growing pains as well.
Building teams takes winning and the promise of a chance at something special. Scheduling like a P5 won’t get the winning which won’t get the recruits. You want to compare LU with all of these Upper P5 schools, understand they ALL have a solid foundation and tradition. That doesn’t happen overnight. Nor does it happen in one recruiting cycle. Judge LU by what it is, not by what you wish it to be. The non sell out against Syracuse should be a red flag for those of you who are full speed ahead P5. It’s a shot of cold water with just how much foundation LU actually has

I agree losing seasons could hurt but all programs have losing seasons. We were also told if we didn’t have great success at FCS than we would have losing seasons at FBS but we’ve had two winning seasons at FBS with FCS rosters. So what I’m saying is we have the right coach and need to capitalize on it. Again schedules set for several seasons so we are talking 5-6 seasons out. Marshall isn’t set up any more than we are with their foundation. Schools like Kent State, Tulsa, Marshall, E. Mich, etc etc all have foundations but are in no better position than we are. You schedule what you want to be and you recruit what you want to be. We have the right recruiter and we have the right schedulers I think, we just need to start doing it. When did Clemson start becoming the dynasty it is right now? They’ve had the schedule. (Sort of haha) but they had many mediocre and losing seasons before Dabo. It wasn’t the foundation that got them there, it was the right coach who could recruit. He built them into what they are. We have the right coach who can recruit, if we had a P5 schedule he could recruit even better. Will it take some time? Yes. But this idea of having to be a slow build over decades to become a power is short sighted in my opinion.

You don’t know much about Clemsons history

[thepostman]

Clemson is also in a P5 conference. The only independent that will truly be treated like a P5 is Notre Dame and in the current landscape, it is made impossible for another Notre Dame to develop.

Comparing us to Clemson is laughable. Before their current run, they already had won the national championship in 1981 and 14 conference championships. That is a fantastic history for a coach to walk into. Sure, they weren't the powerhouse they are now but they weren't anywhere near our level when Dabo came in.