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[Purple Haize]

Now that hes had several days to think about it will ballcoach finally answer?

This must be question PH keeps referring to:

Does anyone know what's actually in the glass ? It could be water, tea, orange juice, Gatorade or another non alcoholic beverage. Back in my younger days, I was at some places and since I did not drink alcoho
Ic drinks, I would drink water or tea in the glass.

Some people want to believe that it is in alcoholic beverage, so in their mind it will be an alcoholic beverage. Nothing will change their mind. You just correctly pointed out that we don't know what is in the drinks. You can order virgin drinks at almost any bar.

Some people want to believe it’s a non alcoholic beverage, so in their mind it will never be an alcoholic drink. Nothing will change their minds. Even if you pointed out that Junior admitted to drinking alcoholic beverages. Or that he lied about being there and then got in that lie. Occam’s Razor applies here

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Had junior just come out and owned the fact he was there this issue would have gone away by now
“Yes I was at this nightclub in Miami. I was there to support my son and one of his friends as they were doing <fill in the blank>. Obviously this is not one of my normal hang out spots but I wanted to be there to support my son and his friend. I’m not sure what style of music was being played but I’m pretty sure it won’t be getting much air time in convo next year!” That would have put and end to it. People would have thought about it for a second but any articles that came out would be dismissed out of hand. By him blatantly lying about it then being exposed only makes people want to dig deeper. Bringing in the FBI to finder people who shared email written to them also doesn’t do much to contradict the main thesis that he rules with a heavy hand in a climate of fear

Wait, not even the biased Politico made the claim that JR denied being at the nightclub. Let's go back and take a look at their alleged quotes:

"In a statement on August 21, Jerry Falwell denied the existence of any photo of him at the club. “There was no picture snapped of me at WALL nightclub or any other nightclub,” Falwell wrote. “I’m sure you already knew that though.” When told that I had obtained a photo of him for this article, Falwell said I was “terribly mistaken.” “If you show me the picture, I can probably help you out,” he wrote. “I think you are making some incorrect assumptions, or have been told false things or are seeing something that was photo--shopped.” After I sent him the photo, as well as a photo of Trey at Wall, Falwell responded: “I never asked anyone to get rid of any pictures on the internet of me and I never have seen the picture you claim is of me below. If the person in the picture is me, it was likely photo-shopped.” In a second email sent 23 minutes later, Falwell wrote: “But the bigger question, Brandon, is why would I want a picture like that taken down if I had seen it?”"

There was no allegation in the politico article that made the claim that JR denied being at the nightclub. Did anyone read the article? According to Politico (assuming they are not just lying) JR said that "there was no picture snapped of me at the nightclub." That's a completely different statement than "I wasn't at the nightclub." You can say the first statement without it being a lie. Especially since we don't have the closeup picture of JR posing for a photo like we do of Trey. JR probably didn't believe that anyone took a picture of him. He didn't pose for the photos like Trey did. The only photo that they have of him is one of the crowd. You can't even make JR out in that photo unless you artificially enhance it. So in JR's mind, "No one snapped a picture of me" was a true statement.

It's certainly different than "I wasn't there."

JR's next alleged e-mail was "If the person in the picture is me, it was likely photo-shopped." Again, hypothetically assuming that Brandon isn't the liar (and I don't believe that for a second) that statement isn't a lie either. JR was right. The photo was artificially enhanced and blown up so that you could actually see JR. AKA Photoshopped. That statement is also not a denial about being at the nightclub. It's an observation that if they had a photo, it was likely photoshopped, and the reality is, the photo WAS photoshopped.

"Photoshopping" doesn't just involve placing someone in a photo who isn't there. "Photoshopping" includes all sorts of enhancements, including blowing up an image.

The transition in the mind of those who want to target JR from "No one snapped a picture of me" to "I was never there" is amazing. JR Never said the later, even according to Politico.

Everyone who claims that JR said the former owes him an apology.

Wow. If my washing machine spun like that my clothes would be spotless Great phrase parsing. Good lawyerese. I like the logical thread you are trying to weave. It’s not very strong but I appreciate the effort

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Some people want to believe that it is in alcoholic beverage, so in their mind it will be an alcoholic beverage. Nothing will change their mind. You just correctly pointed out that we don't know what is in the drinks. You can order virgin drinks at almost any bar.

Some people want to believe it’s a non alcoholic beverage, so in their mind it will never be an alcoholic drink. Nothing will change their minds. Even if you pointed out that Junior admitted to drinking alcoholic beverages. Or that he lied about being there and then got in that lie. Occam’s Razor applies here

See above. He never said "I wasn't there." That allegation is a lie.

......and you missed the point of the response. Your powers of deflection are strong

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Now that hes had several days to think about it will ballcoach finally answer?

This must be question PH keeps referring to:

Does anyone know what's actually in the glass ? It could be water, tea, orange juice, Gatorade or another non alcoholic beverage. Back in my younger days, I was at some places and since I did not drink alcoho
Ic drinks, I would drink water or tea in the glass.

Throwing aside that the prohibition against drinking alcohol is a man-made, not a God-made rule. You bring out an excellent point.

Some people will want to believe that it is in alcoholic beverage, so in their mind it will be an alcoholic beverage. Nothing will change their mind. You just correctly pointed out that we don't know what is in the drinks. You can order virgin drinks at almost any bar.

Common knowledge.
Not going to argue whether is is right or wrong. I personally think it is a very bad look for a Christian university. In addition, as I understand it, it is ok for the administration as well, as long as they don't come to work under the influence. (not certain).
Hard to understand how/why you do not allow the student body to partake, but it is ok for the staff and leadership. Certainly not advocating for for the students to be allowed to drink. Most are under age anyway. Not that that would stop it.
I am not a Jr. hater. I take no joy in the fact that some chose to boo him at the game, in fact, quite the opposite. But obviously, there is some room for significant improvement in some areas.
Last comment on this thread. I would rather see us talking about our great sports program. Disappointed..........................prayers.

[Purple Haize]

Sure, lets play this game.
In a statement on August 21, Jerry Falwell denied the existence of any photo of him at the club. “There was no picture snapped of me at WALL nightclub or any other nightclub,” Falwell wrote. “I’m sure you already knew that though.”
What do you think one is supposed to infer from this statement? If we were take your line of reasoning to its logical conclusion it would mean that he frequents Clubs like this frequently and just chooses not to pose for pictures at them like Trey and his family members do. OR he is making the statement so people infer he never attended this club. Of course he did not actually utter the words “I never attended this club” or whatever BS line you keep throwing out as a smoke screen. But by this statement it seems pretty clear what he is inferring.

Furthering that easy to believe inference is the following statement when confronted with the actual photo
“I never asked anyone to get rid of any pictures on the internet of me and I never have seen the picture you claim is of me below. If the person in the picture is me, it was likely photo-shopped.”
Now World Red Eye, Who has no dog in this fight, releases all the photos and they are obviously not photoshopped. So what is he actually denying? That he skipped the Red Carpet Gala? Why deny pictures of you existed there at all? Unless you were also, in so many words, denying being there? Again, no he didn’t say “I was never there”. He’s a lawyer, he’s not that stupid. But the statements he made were certainly designed for you to think he wasn’t there.
As for the rest? Who cares about the drinking. It’s the denials and deception. But feel free to keep spinning away!

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Yes I conceded the point he never said “I wasn’t there”. I also went on to explain why that is irrelevant. You have done an admiral job playing word games and trying to paint an alternate picture of the events that transpired. But to believe that story is reality takes a lot of verbal gymnastics as you’ve demonstrated. Because, again based on your own line of argument, he never said he WAS there either. So what is the truth? What is deception?
He was there but the pictures were photoshopped?
He wasn’t there and the photos were photoshopped?
These two require there to be some type of conspiracy between the club a photographer and an author
Or
He was there and the pictures are real.
This requires no conspiracy only him denying any are all parts of it.
Which is easier to pull off?
If he wasn’t there why not say so? Why just deny pictures?
No one is tying this into Trump except you. No one really cares about the drinking. In this case it’s about the effort to deceive.

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JR's next alleged e-mail was "If the person in the picture is me, it was likely photo-shopped." Again, hypothetically assuming that Brandon isn't the liar (and I don't believe that for a second) then JR didn't lie about the photoshop either. In fact JR was right. The photo was artificially enhanced and blown up so that you could actually see JR in it. (AKA "Photoshopped".) More importantly, the statement is NOT a denial about being at the club. It's an observation that if they had a photo, it was likely photoshopped, and the reality is, the photo WAS photoshopped.

"Photoshopping" doesn't just involve placing someone in a photo who isn't there. "Photoshopping" includes all sorts of enhancements, including blowing up an image.

You're suggesting that it was possible that jr was referring to zooming in when he said it had to be photoshopped? Because you technically would use the software to zoom in? This is an absurd notion that I know you feel silly having resorted to it. But in actually, your effort to save face based on technicalities has created a loop hole in assuming zooming in was done with Adobe Photoshop. It could have been any photo editing software in which case I guess you could say it was not photoshopped. But in the language arts, I think we all know what people mean when they say things. Shall we now parse what the definition of "is" is?

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Ok, so Jr. never technically denied being at the club, and we don't know what was in the glass, although those glasses they were holding are typically used for alcoholic drinks. I Thesslonians 5:22 says "Abstain from all appearance of evil."

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The fact that we’re having to do linguistic gymnastics to defend his actions and responses shows he’s not living above reproach.

That’s literally all I want out of the man. Be above reproach in everything we do as a school and he does as its leader. Yes there will be mistakes. We all make them. And there can be forgiveness and grace when those mistakes happen. But it starts with an effort to being set apart in all aspects of life.

[Purple Haize]

Yeah I totally missed that. The absurdity of the initial argument was so overwhelming it blinded me from this absurd argument. I mean sine Photoshop is a photo editing program that can help you zoom our focus pictures it probably was used.

“He didn’t say there were faked photographs of him only photoshopped ones”
“He didn’t say there weren’t actual photos of him at clubs. Only photoshopped pictures of him at clubs”

But with all the photo editing software out there how do we know for sure it was actually a PhotoShop Suite that was used

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Does anyone this Jr has an personality that does anything in moderation?

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Again great lawyerese and deception.
The line of thought you would like us to follow is so convoluted to be amazing. You don’t concede if he was or was not at the club. If he was or was not photographed at the club and have parsed every word and phrase with Clintonesque skill I’m waiting for you to say “who are you going to believe, Junior or your lying eyes”.
You may say I’m making up a quote but your making up a set of the Emperor’s New Clothes

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Ok, so Jr. never technically denied being at the club, and we don't know what was in the glass, although those glasses they were holding are typically used for alcoholic drinks. I Thesslonians 5:22 says "Abstain from all appearance of evil."

That assumes alcohol is evil. It isn’t. Jesus made wine (not grape juice, wine) and Paul told Timothy to drink alcohol for his stomach problems.

The Bible condemns drunkenness, not drinking.

So when are we gonna have beer sales at Williams Stadium? When will the tailgate lots no longer be dry?

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