[Class of 20Something]

No one should get a bye.

Not even every team in the SEC West?

[CCWMichael]

Speaking of G5 - Buffalo 7-1 and having a great season , playing now on ESPN Tues Night National TV, stadium capacity 25k ( reduced from 29k last year ) doubt they have 10k in the seats. Sad. LU must get to P5 level ASAP at all costs. UMass probably wont pop 10k next week either.

Yea 10k would be generous, it seriously looked like maybe maybe 2,000.

The Bowling green game attendance was less than flat. What a track meet at buFFalo last eving.
With the ACC considering division realignments and many ACC fans wanting more football teams (mainly ND which will not happen) they consider quality.
I have always thought Liberty would be a great fit in the ACC. I would be putting all the energy I could into gaining access to the ACC. What a coup if they could draw WV from the Big 12 but I do not see that happening. They need to draw one more team for this to happen and who would be a struggle. We need to show the drive to excel and some nice records to be thought of IMO.

[thepostman]

The 12 team idea with the top 4 getting bye is the best idea out there but it won't ever happen.

I'm not sure why ballcoach is against anybody getting a bye but to me it helps rewards those who had a great season. Chances are they will always be from the power 5 conferences.

Bringing in all conference champs helps the season for the conferences mean more and may help with attendance.

Regardless the best we are going to get is 8 teams. All power 5 champs get a bid and one of the 3 at large bids goes to the highest ranking G5 school. Seems like a solid compromise from the 4 team concept and the 12 team concept.

[Jonathan Carone]

Most midweek games are going to draw significantly less than a weekend game. Those teams don't have great weekend attendance either, but context is important.

[tyndal23]

Speaking of G5 - Buffalo 7-1 and having a great season , playing now on ESPN Tues Night National TV, stadium capacity 25k ( reduced from 29k last year ) doubt they have 10k in the seats. Sad. LU must get to P5 level ASAP at all costs. UMass probably wont pop 10k next week either.

Yea 10k would be generous, it seriously looked like maybe maybe 2,000.

The Bowling green game attendance was less than flat. What a track meet at buFFalo last eving.
With the ACC considering division realignments and many ACC fans wanting more football teams (mainly ND which will not happen) they consider quality.
I have always thought Liberty would be a great fit in the ACC. I would be putting all the energy I could into gaining access to the ACC. What a coup if they could draw WV from the Big 12 but I do not see that happening. They need to draw one more team for this to happen and who would be a struggle. We need to show the drive to excel and some nice records to be thought of IMO.

I agree on ACC as the goal and logical fit. UCF is the other natural team to go there. Largest on campus enrollement, stadium, FL recruiting and program presence to be a fit ( no clue on academics ) i was pushing for Big 12 to add them just for FL recruiting presence. My entire push for not wandering in the G5 desert for a decade or 2 to try and elevate to P5 respect status is LU is the only school financially in a position to not have to go through that phase - we can control scheduling and sooner we are playing 6-7 P5 teams a year the better for conference invite perception ( record comes secondary ). No one gives a rip about sub tier bowl appearances. I would much rather have 4-8 seasons against P5 heavy schedule than 7-5 bowl seasons against G5 heavy schedule in the short term.

[LUDad]

There is a reason ND when for many decades without a decent conference invite. It is also the reason why BY cannot get a P5 invite. It is also why were are now independent. Private religious schools will alway be discriminated against, unless of course, you can pull in national tv ratings like ND. That, and only that, will open the eyes of a P5 conference. Just ask ND.

[Purple Haize]

Speaking of G5 - Buffalo 7-1 and having a great season , playing now on ESPN Tues Night National TV, stadium capacity 25k ( reduced from 29k last year ) doubt they have 10k in the seats. Sad. LU must get to P5 level ASAP at all costs. UMass probably wont pop 10k next week either.

Yea 10k would be generous, it seriously looked like maybe maybe 2,000.

The Bowling green game attendance was less than flat. What a track meet at buFFalo last eving.
With the ACC considering division realignments and many ACC fans wanting more football teams (mainly ND which will not happen) they consider quality.
I have always thought Liberty would be a great fit in the ACC. I would be putting all the energy I could into gaining access to the ACC. What a coup if they could draw WV from the Big 12 but I do not see that happening. They need to draw one more team for this to happen and who would be a struggle. We need to show the drive to excel and some nice records to be thought of IMO.

Love the zeal. But look into what all goes into the decision to bring a school into a Conference. It’s not just football or athletics. And be fore you start, Religion isn’t that big a factor. ND is Catholic. Baylor is Baptis.

[tyndal23]

I don’t mind Indy as long as we are treated as a P5 Equivalent like ND and BYU when next major realignment happens OR the top schools leave NCAA to start their own league and pay athletes ( some think this is the next shift, I hope it isn’t ) . Either way Indy or Conf Invite there is no reason for us to wait and slowly build a winning tradition at G5 level. We get 10 times the national eyeballs when playing any P5 vs a G5.

[ballcoach15]

The reason I not like byes is come playoff time, the playing field should be level. No such thing as rewarding a team or teams a bye for a great season. All playoff teams would have had great season in order to reach playoffs. It give teams an unfair advantage.

[thepostman]

Its not unfair. Its rewarding teams. The system, as it stands now, is completely unfair.

[Yacht Rock]

If it helps you sleep at night, then think of it like a wild card play in game.

[Class of 20Something]

If it helps you sleep at night, then think of it like a wild card play in game.

OHHH wouldn't that be something? Make it a short week for the first four games?

Realistically, you have one one game at 12, two at 4, one at 8. Then do it again the next weekend when the top 4 play the winners. Two consecutive Saturdays of noon to midnight PLAYOFF football. Market the playoff as 36 hours of Win or Go Home.

[CCWMichael]

The Bowling green game attendance was less than flat. What a track meet at buFFalo last eving.
With the ACC considering division realignments and many ACC fans wanting more football teams (mainly ND which will not happen) they consider quality.
I have always thought Liberty would be a great fit in the ACC. I would be putting all the energy I could into gaining access to the ACC. What a coup if they could draw WV from the Big 12 but I do not see that happening. They need to draw one more team for this to happen and who would be a struggle. We need to show the drive to excel and some nice records to be thought of IMO.[/quote]

Love the zeal. But look into what all goes into the decision to bring a school into a Conference. It’s not just football or athletics. And be fore you start, Religion isn’t that big a factor. ND is Catholic. Baylor is Baptis.[/quote]

Dropping in a quickie during work.

Taking market area from other members is a problem; or not due to our lack of draw <--- problem ... so many more to list but I love to dream. I really think the market thing with three schools from the same state would be the primary issue for the ACC

[tyndal23]

UNC, NC State, WF, Duke...

[ballcoach15]

Its not unfair. Its rewarding teams. The system, as it stands now, is completely unfair.

What is unfair about it ? Once playoffs start, it's a level playing field for all 4 teams.

Granted playoffs could be expanded, but go to 8 teams or 16.

[thepostman]

Because you have to be in a P5 to even participate. It they want to break off then go ahead and break off. If not then the G5 schools should at least be thrown a bone.

You have said you dont believe the P5 schools should break off from the G5 schools but everything you post says just the opposite.

[tyndal23]

Back to the topic of this thread - i hate our 2021 schedule. Real tough G5 games that do nothing for recruiting and national recognition - only 2 P5 games. Losing to UAB, N Texas, MTSU of college football isn’t nearly as fun or respectable to losing to Arizona, Kansas State, Purdue ( if swapped out would give us a P5 game against every P5 conference ). Think of the recruiting difference just from that schedule change. The next year Cal, Texas Tech,Indiana, etc, etc.

[Purple Haize]

Back to the topic of this thread - i hate our 2021 schedule. Real tough G5 games that do nothing for recruiting and national recognition - only 2 P5 games. Losing to UAB, N Texas, MTSU of college football isn’t nearly as fun or respectable to losing to Arizona, Kansas State, Purdue ( if swapped out would give us a P5 game against every P5 conference ). Think of the recruiting difference just from that schedule change. The next year Cal, Texas Tech,Indiana, etc, etc.

Beating UAB N Texas and MTSU is much better than losing to anyone

[tyndal23]

Just don’t complain when you have 10k fans in the stands when you do it because no one will care. JMU will have a higher FCS attendance in 5 years if we slip in to that mindset. G5 is a trap. UCF will be long gone to a P5 ( the only school anyone talks about ) Boise St will still be doing what they do because that is their ceiling. SDSU, Houston, Memphis maybe Fresno might jump but doubt it. We have a narrow window to shoot the gap and better pounce ASAP and do everything possible to get sit at the big table - 2021 schedule is not the way to go if we want in for next big shake up.

[tyndal23]

The Bowling green game attendance was less than flat. What a track meet at buFFalo last eving.
With the ACC considering division realignments and many ACC fans wanting more football teams (mainly ND which will not happen) they consider quality.
I have always thought Liberty would be a great fit in the ACC. I would be putting all the energy I could into gaining access to the ACC. What a coup if they could draw WV from the Big 12 but I do not see that happening. They need to draw one more team for this to happen and who would be a struggle. We need to show the drive to excel and some nice records to be thought of IMO.

Love the zeal. But look into what all goes into the decision to bring a school into a Conference. It’s not just football or athletics. And be fore you start, Religion isn’t that big a factor. ND is Catholic. Baylor is Baptis.[/quote]

Dropping in a quickie during work.

Taking market area from other members is a problem; or not due to our lack of draw <--- problem ... so many more to list but I love to dream. I really think the market thing with three schools from the same state would be the primary issue for the ACC[/quote]

Another one for you to be distracted while at work - ACC presidents may really have a hard time with LU - however we have great Basketball ( UVA ) and Baseball ( SC ) respect from coaches and AD’s and ND ( while only a football schedule alignment ) is a friend. LU was offering 25m to join CUSA - add a zero ( or maybe the number is $ 100 million ) as an offering to join ACC as a full member - Co-Op UCF and make a pitch as a 2 team addition. Payout could be a chunk now, additional payment over x amount of years combined with waiving our share of earnings for x years to get to a total. That type of coin makes a lot of stink go away. As for LU - well worth it over the long haul.

[tyndal23]

And By the way - UCF is cash poor $155m endowment. We could align with them and handle the $ portion and they handle the football prestige portion, make the pitch now - because ACC knows Big 12 and other P5 will be after them to get a foothold in FL recruiting for next alignment. They were a sleeping giant in the football world with their location and enrollment.

[alabama24]

Losing to UAB, N Texas, MTSU of college football isn’t nearly as fun or respectable to losing to Arizona, Kansas State, Purdue

Just don’t complain when you have 10k fans in the stands when you do it because no one will care.

Do you REALLY think locals will care more about Arizona, Kansas State or Purdue? (I have a friend who is a fan of the later, besides him, I doubt there is anyone else. ). The key to butts in seats is WINNING.

[CapnMac]

Go look at how Purdue's attendance numbers dropped during the tenures of Danny Hope and especially Darrell Hazel. They're a Big Ten school, playing some of the best teams in the nation, and attendance plummeted because they were losing. No one cared that they were losing to good teams.

Excitement about who were playing is only going to last for a year or two if were getting it handed to us every game. We need to be playing G5 teams that we can be competitive with and win. Develop our program and get our name out by playing 1 or 2 P5 teams a year. Let's prove we can be consistently competitive before we worry about trying to become a P5 team.

No P5 conference is going to care that we only play P5 teams if we lose 10-11 games every year.

[tyndal23]

Go look at how Purdue's attendance numbers dropped during the tenures of Danny Hope and especially Darrell Hazel. They're a Big Ten school, playing some of the best teams in the nation, and attendance plummeted because they were losing. No one cared that they were losing to good teams.

Excitement about who were playing is only going to last for a year or two if were getting it handed to us every game. We need to be playing G5 teams that we can be competitive with and win. Develop our program and get our name out by playing 1 or 2 P5 teams a year. Let's prove we can be consistently competitive before we worry about trying to become a P5 team.

No P5 conference is going to care that we only play P5 teams if we lose 10-11 games every year.

Go look at how Purdue's attendance numbers dropped during the tenures of Danny Hope and especially Darrell Hazel. They're a Big Ten school, playing some of the best teams in the nation, and attendance plummeted because they were losing. No one cared that they were losing to good teams.

Excitement about who were playing is only going to last for a year or two if were getting it handed to us every game. We need to be playing G5 teams that we can be competitive with and win. Develop our program and get our name out by playing 1 or 2 P5 teams a year. Let's prove we can be consistently competitive before we worry about trying to become a P5 team.


No P5 conference is going to care that we only play P5 teams if we lose 10-11 games every year.

I will repeat myself - if you want to be a G5 and get to a bowl game - then 2 P5 games a year max is perfect and 2021 is the perfect schedule for that. Personally - I hate it and want to avoid that route.

IF you want to be considered a P5 equivalent - don’t schedule 4 P5 (not enough to entice top tier talent ) schedule 6-7 and be the only team playing all 5 P5 conferences every year.

We can only play 6 max plus BYU a year and the other games G5 - 4 in Sept, 1 in Oct and 1 in Nov ( based on how conferences are currently scheduling non con ). Recruiting - 3 star offer from another low tier P5 or High Tier G5 - likes LIberty - big difference if you can show him we play every P5 conference each year and would have the upper hand over any G5 school in Playoff based on SOS. Locals are Locals and Lynchburg isn’t going to support regardless of wins - this is about building a brand and perception and having your name in P5 games in every conference every year.

[Class of 20Something]

Por que no los dos?

Why not gradually increase schedule difficulty to what we can handle and compete with? We can have an end goal of 6 P5 but do 2,3,4 until we get there.

To whomever was dogging on the 2021 schedule, ODU, Troy, UNT, Ole Miss, Syracuse, UAB, and Army? I'm fine with the short term scheduling(inside 4 years) having us play some of the best teams in G5.