[Fumblerooskies]

As far as the year-to-year contract thing, I don't know if it still exists on the faculty side -- I know JF gets up during academic convo every year and says it's still that way, but that may not be the case entirely across the board

Yes...
...faculty are on annual contracts. No tenure, either.

[Libertine]

Thanks for the clarify, Fumble.

[Cider Jim]

I think some LU educators--like deans, the seminary president, & law school faculty--have contracts for longer than one year.

[El Scorcho]

Also, LU doesn't do contracts for staff usually.

[Cider Jim]

Good luck, Randy.

[LUconn]

One more year to what? Rebuild after LB leaves, try to get the "new" team to gel with Bannister playing. Sounds alot like the past five years to me.

To win, obviously. I don't know that I've ever heard of a coach not being extended because the AD thought they might not be good the next year. They normally are let go due to past seasons unless, JB has the gift of prophesy. Now you can make the case that he hasn't gotten it done the past 5 years. I'd think you were a little dim, but at least your reasoning would make sense.

[Cider Jim]

I don't know that I've ever heard of a coach not being extended because the AD thought they might not be good the next year.

Isn't that why Meyer left? He knew he wouldn't have a Big South champion team the following year.

[LUconn]

uhh.... no. I'm not exactly sure myself as everybody seem to tiptoe around it but will never come out and say it, but apparently there was an incident involving some players.

[Chris Lang]

Athletics is a completely different animal separate from the athletic wing of the school. Rocco has a four-year deal. Karcher had a five-year deal.

Also, this "wait until the end of the year to decide things" is how it's done as most schools. I know at Northern Arizona, contracts were never renegotiated in-season. All state contracts had to be approved by the state's board of regents, anyway, so contracts were generally done in the summer.

[mrich]

One more year to what? Rebuild after LB leaves, try to get the "new" team to gel with Bannister playing. Sounds alot like the past five years to me.

To win, obviously. I don't know that I've ever heard of a coach not being extended because the AD thought they might not be good the next year. They normally are let go due to past seasons unless, JB has the gift of prophesy. Now you can make the case that he hasn't gotten it done the past 5 years. I'd think you were a little dim, but at least your reasoning would make sense.

What I was saying is that he obviously cannot bring consistency to the program. There will be the same excuses next year that have been made this year. New players, people leaving, etc... I just don't see RD being able to keep things together. Just think about it, someone mentioned earlier that Blair is the only "person" from the 04 BSC. That is a little ridiculous.

[LUconn]

One more year to what? Rebuild after LB leaves, try to get the "new" team to gel with Bannister playing. Sounds alot like the past five years to me.

To win, obviously. I don't know that I've ever heard of a coach not being extended because the AD thought they might not be good the next year. They normally are let go due to past seasons unless, JB has the gift of prophesy. Now you can make the case that he hasn't gotten it done the past 5 years. I'd think you were a little dim, but at least your reasoning would make sense.

What I was saying is that he obviously cannot bring consistency to the program. There will be the same excuses next year that have been made this year. New players, people leaving, etc... I just don't see RD being able to keep things together. Just think about it, someone mentioned earlier that Blair is the only "person" from the 04 BSC. That is a little ridiculous.

I know some people have used that as an excuse but I doubt RD ever has. It's college and you can only play for 4 years. Of course you're going to have new people and people leaving. THe only thing I've ever heard him say was "this is a young team" and that was last year. And we were. I think we have a really solid core group of guys right now. Smith, Baker, Jenkins, Holland, McLean. Heck you could even through in Porter for, if nothing else, his leadership and attitude. Now I think we'll be better by the end of this year than we will be all of next year because of Blair, but with Winthrop losing a lot, I think we'll be in a really good position next year too.

As for Blair being the only guy from the '04 BSC, you have to remember that was the '03-'04 season. Blair was a Freshman. He is now a senior. I think the only other Frosh was Dees (I'm just going off the top of my head). That's only indicitive of 1 guy leaving, which not ridiculous at all. Although I know that there was more than 1, I'm just saying that little fact doesnt tell any story.

[Purple Haize]

I can only hope that JF's actions match his words. IF he does, it will be a great thing for the athletic department. I will disagree with the Figurehead title of previous AD's. Figureheads go out and raise money and become the "face" of the athletic department or program. Jo Pa was a great example as is Bobby Bowden. What we have had are administrators. They have taken on the day to day responsibilities of running the department. And with the exception of our "Cup of Coffee" AD, the last two (with persnonal bias towards KG) have been very good at it. It takes a "special" person to be the AD at LU. Ask those that have had the job and left. You never knew when you were gonna get a call from the Mansion!!! So here is to hoping that words become actions!!!

[El Scorcho]

It takes a "special" person to be the AD at LU. Ask those that have had the job and left. You never knew when you were gonna get a call from the Mansion!!!

You could turn "AD" into a blank in that quote and fill in any position you wanted at LU. Seriously. I'm not trying to take away from what you said in the least, but in my experience it takes some really special people to work (and actually get something done) at LU in general.

[LUconn]

A lot of times it feels like it's being run by "special" people. *rimshot* In fact, you might even say the school is filled with "Jerry's kids" *tap tap* Is this thing on?

[flameshaw]

I don't know that I've ever heard of a coach not being extended because the AD thought they might not be good the next year.

Isn't that why Meyer left? He knew he wouldn't have a Big South champion team the following year.

Meyer didn't leave for that reason, it has to do with other things. It has been talked about here in the past, but most here thought it could not possibly be the case and took the conversation in other directions. One day the truth will come out and it will be evident to all, the real reason.

Chuck Burch left because he was not able to funtion as a true AD because of Jerry's involvement. I think Chuck has done a good job at GW and doesn't regret his time at LU, but I am glad JB is here. He brings a certain "professionalism" that we have not had a lot of, with due respect to all former AD's, most of whom I was lucky enough to have a relationship with.

[Hold My Own]

I can only hope that JF's actions match his words. IF he does, it will be a great thing for the athletic department. I will disagree with the Figurehead title of previous AD's. Figureheads go out and raise money and become the "face" of the athletic department or program. Jo Pa was a great example as is Bobby Bowden. What we have had are administrators. They have taken on the day to day responsibilities of running the department. And with the exception of our "Cup of Coffee" AD, the last two (with persnonal bias towards KG) have been very good at it. It takes a "special" person to be the AD at LU. Ask those that have had the job and left. You never knew when you were gonna get a call from the Mansion!!! So here is to hoping that words become actions!!!

Actions have already matched, like I said before he wanted to make a few moves when JB was first brought in but it wouldnt have looked good doing that while JB was fresh on the job and didnt see the problems first hand....yet. As far as the previous AD's you mentioned, it's nice to have JB.

[grm]

The position of a D-1 coach is a vulnerable & vicious position all at once. Coaches are fired routinely, and of course, they jump ship in much the same manner. It is about winning, and for the coach, can be about survival for him and his family.

With the faculty, I would think that LU should be judged on how they treat their faculty, more than how the contract reads.
If no-one has tenure, but still the majority are hired back unless they run away with the piano player or steal the funds, then you can figure that they are being taken care of. If they are wasted on the basis of whim, then I would feel it to be too much of an act of faith to work there. "If individuals are to be loyal to institutions, then institutions should be loyal to individuals."

[mrich]

and your point is what?

[paradox]

Guys, the speculation on this one has been interesting, but we need to be realistic as well.

LU is not an institution where the guy who the AD answers to is annoyed with sports and would rather focus more on a symposium on feminist studies or some other pointless so-called highbrow venture. LU is an institution where its top administrator also happens to be a committed basketball fan who is in attendance at most home games. Any top adminsitrator who knows and loves sports is going to have some say if not the final say on at least some of the major decisions.

I don't think I would be too quick to assume that Barber has carte blanche and is completely autonimous in his decision making, but I'm sure that he has a very important place at the table and more so than any AD that LU has ever had.

The hierarchy doesn't really change, even if Barber has more clout than any of LU's other AD's, he is still evaluted at the end of the year like everyone else, and I'm sure we'll all agree on who evaluates Barber.

As far as Rocco goes, his ties to LU go back at least as far as the Rutiliano era, and that would imply at least some influence outside of the AD with regard to bringing him in.

[Chris Lang]

Paradox, to be fair, Falwell did say the other day that he does have the "right to veto" any decision. Again, that's not uncommon with a university chancellor/president at a private institution. But in spirit, Barber is getting much more of a leash than the last two ADs here.

[givemethemic]

Welcome aboard Paradox... But who the heck is Rutiliano?

[paradox]

Paradox, to be fair, Falwell did say the other day that he does have the "right to veto" any decision. Again, that's not uncommon with a university chancellor/president at a private institution. But in spirit, Barber is getting much more of a leash than the last two ADs here.

I don't think that there should be any doubt about that and everything that we've seem from Barber so far has been a big plus and a move in the right direction.

[paradox]

Welcome aboard Paradox... But who the heck is Rutiliano?

Roo-tig-lee-ano, Sam the man. You know, the godfather of LU football.

[TIMSCAR20]

Welcome aboard Paradox... But who the heck is Rutiliano?

Roo-tig-lee-ano, Sam the man. You know, the godfather of LU football.

2 things about this: 1st, those that live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones...GMT Spell check correcting someone? Hilarious

2nd, GMTM is welcoming someone with 100 plus posts? Just a little bit late on that one I would say GMTM you know I like to give you a hard time man

[grm]

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As far as the year-to-year contract thing, I don't know if it still exists on the faculty side -- I know JF gets up during academic convo every year and says it's still that way, but that may not be the case entirely across the board -- but on the staff side and in athletics especially, that's obviously not the case any longer and, in today's environment, that would be totally unrealistic.

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