[Jonathan Carone]

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[Purple Haize]

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Thank you young Champion.
This gives me something else that doesn't square. If I have my some things of so I'm open to clarification
The Baylor BoR put out a Statement on Nov 11 stating that McCaw among others knew about but did not report a sexual assault
At the LU Press Conference Jerry said the BoR wanted him to stay
The BoR Censored and Suspended McCaw
Jerry has said he talked to BoR members and they said McCaw did nothing wrong and ant violation was technical in nature.

Not reporting to anyone a sexual assault allegation seems more than a Technical Violation
Why would you suspend and Censure someone if they did nothing wrong
Did Jerry talk to anyone who voted to suspend and censure Ian? See point 2
Totally agree JON that place is/was a hot mess

[willflop]

Just theorizing, as I mentioned above, I wonder if it has to do with equivocating on what it means to report something. Say the coach "reported" it via a phone conversation, JA gave direction verbially that there is nothing they could do without her cooperation, so the coach and Ian leave it at that ultumately. Technically, nothing was officially "reported" in hind sight, and certaintly not by IX standards. So, Baylor can say they have no report, which is technically correct and JA didn't start a formal investigation, and yet the coach still claims it was reported. This is consistent sith the T9 coordinator saying they wouldn't have known the right way to go about reporting it, and allegedly they were mislead by JA.

[olldflame]

Just theorizing, as I mentioned above, I wonder if it has to do with equivocating on what it means to report something. Say the coach "reported" it via a phone conversation, JA gave direction verbially that there is nothing they could do without her cooperation, so the coach and Ian leave it at that ultumately. Technically, nothing was officially "reported" in hind sight, and certaintly not by IX standards. So, Baylor can say they have no report, which is technically correct and JA didn't start a formal investigation, and yet the coach still claims it was reported. This is consistent sith the T9 coordinator saying they wouldn't have known the right way to go about reporting it, and allegedly they were mislead by JA.

I don't think that is far-fetched at all It makes no sense to me that the coach, who demonstrated he had no desire to "cover up" anything by going to McCaw, would not follow up by notifying JA when instructed to do so by his boss

The lack of names also makes me wonder who he might have actually talked to at JA It may very well have been the HPIC (whoever that was ) but for some reason I find myself imagining a gum-cracking receptionist with a Texas drawl saying "Ahm sorry suh, but unless the young laaaydee is willin to pahticipate, I'm afraid thars nothin we can do ta help"

[Purple Haize]

Just theorizing, as I mentioned above, I wonder if it has to do with equivocating on what it means to report something. Say the coach "reported" it via a phone conversation, JA gave direction verbially that there is nothing they could do without her cooperation, so the coach and Ian leave it at that ultumately. Technically, nothing was officially "reported" in hind sight, and certaintly not by IX standards. So, Baylor can say they have no report, which is technically correct and JA didn't start a formal investigation, and yet the coach still claims it was reported. This is consistent sith the T9 coordinator saying they wouldn't have known the right way to go about reporting it, and allegedly they were mislead by JA.

I don't think that is far-fetched at all It makes no sense to me that the coach, who demonstrated he had no desire to "cover up" anything by going to McCaw, would not follow up by notifying JA when instructed to do so by his boss

The lack of names also makes me wonder who he might have actually talked to at JA It may very well have been the HPIC, but for some reason I find myself imagining a gum-cracking receptionist with a Texas drawl saying "Ahm sorry suh, but unless the young laaaydee is willin to pahticipate, I'm afraid thars nothin we can do ta help"

Again, I'm not really sure the lack of names is a big deal. It's really SOP in a lot of cases. While it is obvious that place was an Administrative Dumpster fire, I have a difficult time thinking JA would stop at a receptionist Especially when you consider the sheer volume of allegations just within the Athletic Department.
The question I come back to is, as part of the Administration, what was McCaw doing to change the culture? He HAD to know how far out of step they were with other Institutions with Title IX. The LU Company line is that he was an 'Innocent By Stander'. That sounds like he didn't know and/or care. I would hope he knew, and if he didn't have the power to make changes in his Department, pressured those who could make the changes to do so.

[willflop]

I think that's a fair question to ask, but based on what's been reported, I'm not confident Ian HAD to know how far out of compliance they were. The testimony of the previous T9 coordinator suggests the opposite -- that they were not in a position to know how to handle the situation properly, and she places the blame at a higher level than either Ian or Briles. Sure, there's always the claim he shoulda gone all Erin Brockovich on Baylor, but I'm not sure if that's a fair standard to judge people by. Plus...

It may be old school logic, compared to T9 requirements, but there's still a bit of logic to the alleged JA response: "So, we have a report of rape, based on hearsay, of an event that happened a year ago, to someone that is no longer at the school and is unwilling to cooperate in our investigation and won't go to the police" I think IX would force them to investigate the issue, regardless, based on a comment attributed to PH investigators in the KWTX article. However, that's because IX has such a higher standard. Imagine if i brought this story to the local police, based on hearsay, and the victim wasn't a minor (or related circumstance, where hearsay would be more acceptable). I'd assume they'd respond the same way. All that to say, it's not completely irrational for the JA response to be accepted.

There doesn't seem to be many other details about the other allegations, so I don't know what was or wasn't being done to curb it.

[Purple Haize]

I think that's a fair question to ask, but based on what's been reported, I'm not confident Ian HAD to know how far out of compliance they were. The testimony of the previous T9 coordinator suggests the opposite -- that they were not in a position to know how to handle the situation properly, and she places the blame at a higher level than either Ian or Briles. Sure, there's always the claim he shoulda gone all Erin Brockovich on Baylor, but I'm not sure if that's a fair standard to judge people by. Plus...

It may be old school logic, compared to T9 requirements, but there's still a bit of logic to the alleged JA response: "So, we have a report of rape, based on hearsay, of an event that happened a year ago, to someone that is no longer at the school and is unwilling to cooperate in our investigation and won't go to the police" I think IX would force them to investigate the issue, regardless, based on a comment attributed to PH investigators in the KWTX article. However, that's because IX has such a higher standard. Imagine if i brought this story to the local police, based on hearsay, and the victim wasn't a minor (or related circumstance, where hearsay would be more acceptable). I'd assume they'd respond the same way. He said All that to say, it's not completely irrational for the JA response to be accepted.

There doesn't seem to be many other details about the other allegations, so I don't know what was or wasn't being done to curb it.

Here is why I say he had to know. He had to look around at other Schools at what was going on with their Title IX Departments and compare them to what his school was doing, or at least his Department was doing or not doing. It's a small world, people talk and compare notes.
The only thing I can come up with is that his sole responsibility was to raise money and he left the day to day operations and basically anything else to an Internal AD or individual coaches. Which raises a whole other box of questions.

[willflop]

I think that's a fair question to ask, but based on what's been reported, I'm not confident Ian HAD to know how far out of compliance they were. The testimony of the previous T9 coordinator suggests the opposite -- that they were not in a position to know how to handle the situation properly, and she places the blame at a higher level than either Ian or Briles. Sure, there's always the claim he shoulda gone all Erin Brockovich on Baylor, but I'm not sure if that's a fair standard to judge people by. Plus...

It may be old school logic, compared to T9 requirements, but there's still a bit of logic to the alleged JA response: "So, we have a report of rape, based on hearsay, of an event that happened a year ago, to someone that is no longer at the school and is unwilling to cooperate in our investigation and won't go to the police" I think IX would force them to investigate the issue, regardless, based on a comment attributed to PH investigators in the KWTX article. However, that's because IX has such a higher standard. Imagine if i brought this story to the local police, based on hearsay, and the victim wasn't a minor (or related circumstance, where hearsay would be more acceptable). I'd assume they'd respond the same way. He said All that to say, it's not completely irrational for the JA response to be accepted.

There doesn't seem to be many other details about the other allegations, so I don't know what was or wasn't being done to curb it.

Here is why I say he had to know. He had to look around at other Schools at what was going on with their Title IX Departments and compare them to what his school was doing, or at least his Department was doing or not doing. It's a small world, people talk and compare notes.
The only thing I can come up with is that his sole responsibility was to raise money and he left the day to day operations and basically anything else to an Internal AD or individual coaches. Which raises a whole other box of questions.

It still strikes me odd that he's being judged for not doing the job of the President. Should the head of the housing department be blamed for this too, since to be IX compliant "dorm incidents" would need to be reported to the T9 coordinator, that didn't exist? So on and so forth...

[Purple Haize]

I'm not blaming, I'm asking a question. What was he doing to make the rest of the Administration aware of the Title IX deficiencies? And if he didn't know they were deficient that raises concerns. It sounds like, based on everything coming out, they just didn't care.

[thepostman]

The good news in all of that is that it seems liberty has the title IX infrastructure in place.

[willflop]

I'm not blaming, I'm asking a question. What was he doing to make the rest of the Administration aware of the Title IX deficiencies? And if he didn't know they were deficient that raises concerns. It sounds like, based on everything coming out, they just didn't care.

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Let's say they didn't care (the President was openly opposed to IX, from what I read). But, let's define "not care" as "not care about following IX regulations to a T, which exceed standard law enforcement policy." The accusations against Ian don't seem to be that he followed "lesser reporting standards, acceptable to a police department, but not T9," but that it wasn't reported to JA at all, covered up, ignored entirely. If Baylor had come out and said Ian reported it to JA, but JA used their "common sense" Police Department logic instead of T9 requirements, I doubt this thread would exist...at least the way it does now, the first few pages have Ian as Satan incarnate who tortures puppies.

Either way, I think it's unavoidable that something falls on him. Maybe it's a necessary evil of any high level position that you go down with the ship. However, it's much easier for me to accept the situation "if" he reported it to JA, and they used the old school logic mentioned above (which I think could be argued is "reasonable" against over the top red tape of IX). That becomes a debate about which parts of IX have merit and which parts may not.

[Purple Haize]

The good news in all of that is that it seems liberty has the title IX infrastructure in place.

Absolutely 100% agree. They have gone over and above what needed to be done. The Athletic Dept got a nasty gram years ago and took great steps to rectify the situation. Which makes the BU situation even more baffling

[flamesfan30]

the New York Times has some not so nice things to say about this.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/03/sport ... d=re-share

[thepostman]

the New York Times has some not so nice things to say about this.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/03/sport ... d=re-share

It's the new York times so therefore will be ignored. Unless it's Drudge, Fox News or Breitbart it's not real news. At least I'm sure that's how Jr feels

[LUconn]

That article didn't really seem to go anywhere. "I made some phone calls and didn't really find anything out but I'm already set on writing a column about this"

[thepostman]

I think that's the point.

[BJWilliams]

That article didn't really seem to go anywhere. "I made some phone calls and didn't really find anything out but I'm already set on writing a column about this"

Translation: I already have a biased angle so Im going to just practice shoddy "Jason Blair" style journalism just so I can put out a piece by deadline

[thepostman]

Thanks for making my point for me beej.

[Purple Haize]

the New York Times has some not so nice things to say about this.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/03/sport ... d=re-share

It's the new York times so therefore will be ignored. Unless it's Drudge, Fox News or Breitbart it's not real news. At least I'm sure that's how Jr feels

90% of this article is garbage. They just can't resist mocking Christianity, mocking Liberty for its rules or mocking Jerry (and by association all Evangelicals) for voting for Trump. The last one some of you agree with. But it really destroys a lot of the credibility of the article. Would have been better to focus on the task at hand instead of going ADD on everything else.
I was able to pull this tod bit out. I'm glad someone asked the questions. The answers lead one to believe that LU talked to 1 guy who knew people and about 2 Board of Regent members

[Purple Haize]

That article didn't really seem to go anywhere. "I made some phone calls and didn't really find anything out but I'm already set on writing a column about this"

I think the only pertinent part of the article was the question 'Who did LU talk to in their extensive investigation?'

[thepostman]

Yes you have to get through the fluff to see that the things we assumed happened is exactly what happened.

But it's all pointless. Nothing will change. I hope Liberty continues to take sexual assault accusations seriously like they did this last year and that Ian McCaw can learn from the mistakes he admittedly made.

[Jonathan Carone]

That article didn't really seem to go anywhere. "I made some phone calls and didn't really find anything out but I'm already set on writing a column about this"

I think the only pertinent part of the article was the question 'Who did LU talk to in their extensive investigation?'

That's what I took from it. It reinforces Jerry heard what he wanted to hear and made the move from there. It's why I keep saying this blind loyalty to anything Falwell is so dangerous.

[Purple Haize]

That article didn't really seem to go anywhere. "I made some phone calls and didn't really find anything out but I'm already set on writing a column about this"

I think the only pertinent part of the article was the question 'Who did LU talk to in their extensive investigation?'

That's what I took from it. It reinforces Jerry heard what he wanted to hear and made the move from there. It's why I keep saying this blind loyalty to anything Falwell is so dangerous.

Now I have this song in my head......again. I hate you just a little bit right now

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[Purple Haize]

Yes you have to get through the fluff to see that the things we assumed happened is exactly what happened.

But it's all pointless. Nothing will change. I hope Liberty continues to take sexual assault accusations seriously like they did this last year and that Ian McCaw can learn from the mistakes he admittedly made.

'Lay back and enjoy it'?

[willflop]

That article didn't really seem to go anywhere. "I made some phone calls and didn't really find anything out but I'm already set on writing a column about this"

I think the only pertinent part of the article was the question 'Who did LU talk to in their extensive investigation?'

That's what I took from it. It reinforces Jerry heard what he wanted to hear and made the move from there. It's why I keep saying this blind loyalty to anything Falwell is so dangerous.

I'm sure there is some confirmation bias. What motivation do you give to the KWTX article though?