[Hold My Own]

this isnt going to be pretty...I can feel it

[prototype]

Maybe I wasnt clear...this is not a step up in his career...further proving he's willing to do anything to get out of dodge....Big's your correct...he loves it hear and wants nothing more then be apart of this university

Gotcha. Then you missed the nail - sorry:)

This is better for him. It's still a High Level Single A club. And most importantly he will have 6 months out of the year to work to make additional income. It's like getting double the salary.

[TruthSlayer11]

Oh i've caught a ton of spelling errors I've made already...from what Super said I'm guessing your a MR fan...and thats fine...but dont say some things...like "double the salary" b/c its actually a pay cut and more time on the road...ask him if you'd like

[prototype]

Proto, as much as I love how supportive you are, you have to look at who is bringing the accusations this time. It's not random people who always hate on everything. Medic and Smoothie are huge supporters of all of the coaches here, and if they're bringing the accusation, it holds some weight. There are a few people on this board that if they say it, 99% of the time it's true. There are others, that if they say it, it's 99% of the time not true. Smoothie and Medic are in the first group.

I know I seem supportive all the time, but it is just that it seems like there are certain people that pick at certain coaches and then seem very hypocritical when someone they like does the same thing. I think PAmedic and Big Smooth are very supportive - 2 of my favorite posters. I'm just an equal opportunity responder. I would have responded whether it was them or Hold My Own. I just want to make sure this is told from both sides.

I will lean on being supportive more than being critical, because we don't know the whole situation. And yes even the ones that know or are related to people at LU.

[SuperJon]

this isnt going to be pretty...I can feel it

Basketball won, they gotta start something.

[prototype]

Bottom line, this sucks....I have a gut feeling he'll be apart of this University in some aspect in years to come...I hope so b/c he's one of the finest we've had come through here

Your're kidding right??

What has he done exactly? Not picking on him, but that's a pretty strong statement. LU has had some pretty good coaches and knowing both Royer and Tomlin, I would have Royer as my coach 125% of the time.

[sitemdown77]

hey proto, how about ya ask the ones who actually play that same question......

[sitemdown77]

and proto is right about better opportunity to move up guys, but that's about where the being right stops

[Hold My Own]

Kidding????? What has he done????


I learned a long time time ago dont get on here and post stuff that is this sensitive simply b/c those in higher positions have really really thin skin. Even if it's the truth (and for the record nobody has corrected me if they feel differently)

I'm going to leave it at this and leave this thread all together. JF respects that man more then any other person on campus coach or otherwise, that's why I say he'll be back. It doesn't even have to be with baseball, just in some aspect. Ask some of the pitchers how they feel about him leaving. They're taking it pretty hard.

[prototype]

Oh i've caught a ton of spelling errors I've made already...from what Super said I'm guessing your a MR fan...and thats fine...but dont say some things...like "double the salary" b/c its actually a pay cut and more time on the road...ask him if you'd like

I'm a LU Fan and yes - I like Royer. He's a good man and a great coach. He has done nothing but win and all he gets is criticized. If you don't think he is tough - you get criticized the way he has and have the situations he has gone through happen to you. Most coaches would have taken the first bus out of town, but he has swallowed his pride and has continued to do his job.

Pay Cut? He's working 6 months out of the year. Unless he is making half of what he made here, then it's not a pay cut. I spent 5 years in professional sports, know several people that works in the Nationals organization and know for certain that it's not a pay cut, unless he's was making more than 75% of the Head Coaches at Liberty.

[prototype]

hey proto, how about ya ask the ones who actually play that same question......

I'm not saying that he is not a good coach. I'm sure he is. He wouldn't be getting a job with Potomac if he wasn't. I'm just saying that everyone is building him up like he is LU Baseball. Without him - LU won't win a game this year. That's what I have a problem with. There are 3 other coaches on that staff that work there tails off to put a good team on the field.

Players? I have always been consistent on this fact. It's not about the current players. Most get tuition assistance to play, and I would bet that most were recruited by Royer or Weaver. Players don't have to love their coach, they have to respect him. He's got a lot of players to manage and he can't be friends to all of them. Tomlin played that role. If they don't like him, and their open to others about it - then they have not been taught an ounce of respect and they should consider transferring. Royer will get an excellent coach in that will be able to improve the pitchers abilities, but the fact is now he won't be able to do that till after the season because no good pitching coach will leave his current position 1 month before the season starts.

[sitemdown77]

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[PAmedic]

yeah- we can only speculate how things will go this season, but I'm thinking there's gonna be a NOTICEABLY negative impact.

the real problem is going to be in the offseason- if we see mass defections of players- there's no way to spin it.

And you can make the empirical (?) argument, "fine- we didnt' need them anyway" but, well- we DO. When you have 1 or 2 disgruntled players- its an isolated issue, when you have an entire organization in upheaval- thats a problem.

I'm getting the message loud and clear from multiple sources, so I can't attribute it to one person's personal vendetta here.

I try to be even handed and careful about what I post- but at some point....

[Hold My Own]

Proto, most of us understand your relationship with Royer, and it's nice to have a friend as yourself, and a friend who's willing to go into battle for them. But when we see yall together all the time we expect nothing else from a good friend. It's no different then myself and RD, people see us together and that simply means people expect one thing from me and thats to go into battle, thats why I stay pretty clear from all the nonsense in the BBall thread. JF loves the man because everything he's done for his players and the relationships he's built with them. Heck didnt his family win family of the year or something too!

its a paycut proto, I'm leaving it at that. I have ties as well.

[bigsmooth]

but the fact is now he won't be able to do that till after the season because no good pitching coach will leave his current position 1 month before the season starts.

hey proto, are you saying randy is not a good pitching coach?? i do not htink anyone said randy was LU baseball, but he is a key cog, and the kids enjoy playing for him and respect him a great deal.

[sitemdown77]

I will not post anything else, too much going on with everyone..... Just hope LU baseball will stay strong.

[Cider Jim]

Doe Lee Guetterman (sp?) have any coaching experience? Does anyone know what he is doing now? He is probably the most celebrated pitcher to ever come out of Liberty (though it was probably LBC back then).

[thesportscritic]

I will not post anything else, too much going on with everyone..... Just hope LU baseball will stay strong.

and yet you said that earlier

[prototype]

Proto, most of us understand your relationship with Royer, and it's nice to have a friend as yourself, and a friend who's willing to go into battle for them. But when we see yall together all the time we expect nothing else from a good friend. It's no different then myself and RD, people see us together and that simply means people expect one thing from me and thats to go into battle, thats why I stay pretty clear from all the nonsense in the BBall thread. JF loves the man because everything he's done for his players and the relationships he's built with them. Heck didnt his family win family of the year or something too!

its a paycut proto, I'm leaving it at that. I have ties as well.

Let me first start by saying. Don't take anything I'm saying personally. I have nothing against Tomlin. Himself and his family seem like great people. I just believe that we are watering down something that is good for him. Making it seem like it's not a great move and he's only taking it because he's not happy here. It's a good move, it's high A ball. He does a good job and he has only one way to go - UP. It's in injustice to him and the staff to make it anything more than that.

If I didn't know Royer from Adam - believe me I would still defend him. Never met the Tennis coach before - start an argument - I'm game:) I love LU athletics and Dr. Falwell's vision for athletics. I just want to see us move forward, not backwards. I'm sure that Jeff, and all the Administration at LU will find a new coach that will serve LU well and bring some new life to the program. But at the same time - things have been going pretty well the last couple of years.

Now - I'm just preparing notes for the thread that will start win we don't win the first 15 games, it won't be because of strength of schedule - it will be because Tomlin's gone:)

Please do not take me wrong. I love Liberty - I'm just a little too passionate sometimes. I'm just glad that we can all break our days up with some good old energetic discussions.

[Hold My Own]

Fair enough, although I will say I saw something about the kids being at LCA and they are not...yet. Next year they will be. Heck thats the reason Mrs. Tomlin is staying here in Lynchburg, just further proves how much they love LCA/LU/JF even with all the nonsense that has taken place. If anyone has any questions about the situation just speak to the family, they're pretty stand up people, the type that will look you in the eye even if you have differences.

[TruthSlayer11]

Doe Lee Guetterman (sp?) have any coaching experience? Does anyone know what he is doing now? He is probably the most celebrated pitcher to ever come out of Liberty (though it was probably LBC back then).

He wants in bad, along with a few other's that will ring a bell. Dont look for that to happen under this staff though unless he is told by the brass that is what will happen. Royer's to smart to put a name under him like that, it's hot enough for him as it is!

[knobodywest]

well there is a lot going on here. to proto, maybe you should check the facts before you start givinig credit to Royer or Weaver for who they recruit. Such as I have by asking the players themselves who brought them in and why did they come, I think you will be surprised to know that some key starters are um Tomlin recruits, not just pitchers. And for that matter there has been a pitcher drafted EVERY year since Randy Tomlin has been coaching here, and How Many position players have been drafted in the last 5 years. Are you kidding what has he done, hey did you notice in the News and Advanced that Randy Tomlin was mentioned as one of Lyncburgs most influential people. Its no wonder from the previos post that he is well respected by JF, and me and the community , and here is the most important thing, the players...

[prototype]

well there is a lot going on here. to proto, maybe you should check the facts before you start givinig credit to Royer or Weaver for who they recruit. Such as I have by asking the players themselves who brought them in and why did they come, I think you will be surprised to know that some key starters are um Tomlin recruits, not just pitchers. And for that matter there has been a pitcher drafted EVERY year since Randy Tomlin has been coaching here, and How Many position players have been drafted in the last 5 years. Are you kidding what has he done, hey did you notice in the News and Advanced that Randy Tomlin was mentioned as one of Lyncburgs most influential people. Its no wonder from the previos post that he is well respected by JF, and me and the community , and here is the most important thing, the players...

Are you guys reading my post??? I'm not saying that Tomlin isn't a nice guy. This has nothing to do with what I'm saying. I was just saying that it's funny how there are 2 programs at LU, in which people on this board look make it their personel mission to rip the Head Coaches.

And yes, Coach and I hang all the time. We have sat together at 3 LU Basketball games in the past three years

[knobodywest]

Look, your right, this is not about how nice of a person Randy Tomlin is or Matt Royer isnt. The true facts are as follows, the program will suffer as a result of Tomlin resigning, just ask the players. Does Randy Tomlin make the LU baseball team, no, even he would tell you that. BUT he does make it a lot better of a program by being here, and nobody can debate that. Read his bio, talk to his players. Your only mistake proto is that you obviously do not know Randy Tomlin, and you have been mis informed because your information is even incorrect.I have been reading this stuff for months now, and I have yet to see one negative thread come across here about Randy Tomlin, that does not seem to be the case with MR now does it. In fact I have yet to hear one negative thing about Randy Tomlin anywhere. Here is a tip for you from a avid baseball person everyone knows that Pitching wins baseball games, so Perhaps MR should be thanking Randy Tomlin for being on His staff. The facts and e-mails speak for themselves, I love the LU athletic dept too, and hear a lot of things.

[Ed Dantes]

well there is a lot going on here. to proto, maybe you should check the facts before you start givinig credit to Royer or Weaver for who they recruit. Such as I have by asking the players themselves who brought them in and why did they come, I think you will be surprised to know that some key starters are um Tomlin recruits, not just pitchers. And for that matter there has been a pitcher drafted EVERY year since Randy Tomlin has been coaching here, and How Many position players have been drafted in the last 5 years. Are you kidding what has he done, hey did you notice in the News and Advanced that Randy Tomlin was mentioned as one of Lyncburgs most influential people. Its no wonder from the previos post that he is well respected by JF, and me and the community , and here is the most important thing, the players...

Are you guys reading my post??? I'm not saying that Tomlin isn't a nice guy. This has nothing to do with what I'm saying. I was just saying that it's funny how there are 2 programs at LU, in which people on this board look make it their personel mission to rip the Head Coaches.

And yes, Coach and I hang all the time. We have sat together at 3 LU Basketball games in the past three years

Randy Tomlin, for all intents and purposes, is a great guy (except the time he gave me wrong directions on the way back from a game at Chapel Hill). He is well-respected, and a fine coach. And yet, he's been doing that for ten years, same position, day-in and day-out, you know? Maybe the Washington Nationals took notice of that -- after all, Tomlin's new role will be teaching kids approximately the same age (and overall, superior if not comparable talent) the mechanics of pitching. The Nat's needed someone that can be respected by his players, and maybe someone in the organization said "you should take a look at this guy Tomlin." (after all, isn't one of our former players a third-base coach over there?)

Tomlin, being in the same position for ten years, maybe wanted a new challenge (and more money) and opted to take it.


That scenario, while conjecture, IMHO, is far more plausible than automatically assuming that there was this massive falling out between the administration and Tomlin.