[JK37]

ESPN's Big XII guy wrote a column not long ago touting contenders for conference expansion. Cincinnati was his "most obvious", but he did indeed mention UCONN. Wish I could find the link...

[Sly Fox]

UConn is an EXTREMELY long shot. The only chance is based on regional placement of potential Big XII network. The latte ris not likely anytime soon.

[JK37]

His article mentioned that political and administrative changes at Texas could make the Big XII Network more of a possibility now. That, and the failure of the Longhorn Network.

[Kolzilla41]

His article mentioned that political and administrative changes at Texas could make the Big XII Network more of a possibility now. That, and the failure of the Longhorn Football.

Fixed it

[Sly Fox]

Ouch! The article noted there could be changes on the horizon. Not that they were likely.

I could very easily see a Big XII expansion in the next 12 months although I would put the odds around 25%. I cannot see UConn being a target. Frankly all the targets stink.

[alabama24]

Frankly all the targets stink.

Too bad ALL the targets can't be "Texas". lol

[rmiller1959]

Ouch! The article noted there could be changes on the horizon. Not that they were likely.

I could very easily see a Big XII expansion in the next 12 months although I would put the odds around 25%. I cannot see UConn being a target. Frankly all the targets stink.

Do those percentages go up if the conference championship game reform proposal is shot down? The Big 10 seems pretty adamant about requiring divisions to hold a championship game, and the Big 12 dislikes the idea of two five-team divisions, although I haven't thought through why that's such an unpalatable option. I know you know why, Sly, so please enlighten me!

[Chris Lang]

Five-team divisions are too small to have winning the division championship mean anything. Everyone would play the same schedule with a nine-game sked, or only miss one team on the other side with an eight gamer.

[Sly Fox]

Bingo. Anything less than twelse teams makes divisional play pointless.

[rmiller1959]

Great explanation - thanks!

[TH Spangler]

JANUARY 7, 2016 6:58 PM
Idaho president: Vandals analyzing FBS, FCS options

While the University of Idaho’s football future is unknown, the Vandals will not be caught flat-footed when it becomes much more clear in the next two months.

President Chuck Staben was in Boise on Thursday and spoke with the Idaho Statesman about the state of the program, and what lies ahead.

Staben said the university will pitch its case to remain in the Sun Belt Conference with a video presentation to league presidents in February. The presidents are scheduled to vote March 10 on future membership.

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[Wvflame2013]

Big 12 is not expanding. They don't need to. They got a team in the playoff this year and if Baylor wasn't on its 4th string qb and missing arguably one of the best receivers and running backs up in the conference they would have been the conference winner and a legit contender for national championship. They play everyone in the conference. Plus there is no real great teams to add that would make revenue that much better. They had their chance at Louisville 3-4 years ago and didn't go for them. They're content with their 10 teams. Unless a power 5 team wants to come to the big 12, it's not happening. My two cents that may be totally wrong.

We need to stay fcs and build a dynasty like north Dakota state. Things will start shaking in 5+ years. Non power 5 will basically be fcs anyways and I see the power 5 splitting away. Why go up if we won't be power 5 and will never be in national title talk. A non power 5 has not been in the playoffs yet and I hardly see it happening. When the non power 5 start whining the power 5 will say forget yall the ncaa and we will be our own sanctioning body. The national collegiant football league.

[alabama24]

Why go up if we won't be power 5 and will never be in national title talk.

Ugh. Again? Really?

First of all, no one outside of the teams playing gives a rip about the FCS playoffs. The toilet bowl has better ratings. Secondly, you don't go up from FCS to "power 5."

[Wvflame2013]

Yes really. Why go up just to be a doormat non power 5 when in 5-10 years fcs and non power 5 will be merged. We have a good thing now and are building things up. We've been passed up so many times now. Maybe it's a blessing in disguise. Grass isn't always greener on the other side of the fence, just is where the septic tank is.

North Dakota state has a good thing going. Sustained success. They've had college GameDay. Great press on ESPN. First college football game. Of the year this year vs Montana.

Build ourselves s up in Olympic sports. Continue the great GameDay atmosphere. Build up in baby steps and who know in 5-10 years what happens. If we're patient, we may be surprised. Teams will be struggling and we will be thriving where we are in a better position. Colleges are going to find themselves even more bankrupt in regards to Athletics. Think ahead, not in the moment. That's what is going to destroy coastal. Blessing in disguise.

[olldflame]

Yes really. Why go up just to be a doormat non power 5 when in 5-10 years fcs and non power 5 will be merged. We have a good thing now and are building things up. We've been passed up so many times now. Maybe it's a blessing in disguise. Grass isn't always greener on the other side of the fence, just is where the septic tank is.

North Dakota state has a good thing going. Sustained success. They've had college GameDay. Great press on ESPN. First college football game. Of the year this year vs Montana.

Build ourselves s up in Olympic sports. Continue the great GameDay atmosphere. Build up in baby steps and who know in 5-10 years what happens. If we're patient, we may be surprised. Teams will be struggling and we will be thriving where we are in a better position. Colleges are going to find themselves even more bankrupt in regards to Athletics. Think ahead, not in the moment. That's what is going to destroy coastal. Blessing in disguise.

I agree with almost all of your points in principal, but IMHO they still don't add up to P5 or nothing. A lot of the things you seem to think are inevitable are in fact only possibilities, and even if the G5 and FCS end up merging don't think for a minute there won't be an unofficial heirarchy within that group based on a number of factors including the program's status before the merger. If P5 openings come up, they will still be looking to fill them with schools that have an established track record in FBS, not some newcomer who was merged in from FCS. There are G5 conferences (other than the SBC) where IMHO we could find a good home if the opportunity arose. Personally, I am conflicted as to what I would want to do in the unlikely event the SBC were to offer in the near future. Ironically, one of the most attractive things about making that move would be the opportunity to continue/renew the rivalry with the beach chickens.

[alabama24]

Yes really. Why go up just to be a doormat non power 5 when in 5-10 years fcs and non power 5 will be merged. We have a good thing now and are building things up. We've been passed up so many times now. Maybe it's a blessing in disguise. Grass isn't always greener on the other side of the fence, just is where the septic tank is.

The king of poop is still the king of poop.

[Purple Haize]

Yes really. Why go up just to be a doormat non power 5 when in 5-10 years fcs and non power 5 will be merged. We have a good thing now and are building things up. We've been passed up so many times now. Maybe it's a blessing in disguise. Grass isn't always greener on the other side of the fence, just is where the septic tank is.

North Dakota state has a good thing going. Sustained success. They've had college GameDay. Great press on ESPN. First college football game. Of the year this year vs Montana.

Build ourselves s up in Olympic sports. Continue the great GameDay atmosphere. Build up in baby steps and who know in 5-10 years what happens. If we're patient, we may be surprised. Teams will be struggling and we will be thriving where we are in a better position. Colleges are going to find themselves even more bankrupt in regards to Athletics. Think ahead, not in the moment. That's what is going to destroy coastal. Blessing in disguise.

Welcome my son into the loving arms of Where we embrace the realities on the ground and suffer the arrows of the Cadre

I do not see one single thing wrong with your positions. I too share your feelings that in the next 5 years you will see a lot of FBS teams do what UAB did. The costs are staggering. Most Bowl teams lose money. I think Coastal made a bad move and will not have the resource to compete at that level And eventually the P5 + 1 will end up doing their own thing anyways leaving everyone else to figure out something new. I would much rather enter that new paradigm with documented, consistent success at the level we are at, than be a door mat or middle of the road team somewhere else. (some would argue we are a middle of the road program where we are at now!). But that is why I am the Potentate of

[Cider Jim]

Grass isn't always greener on the other side of the fence, just is where the septic tank is.

I've never heard that quote before in my life, but it's got to be from WV, somewhere near the Morgantown area.

[Purple Haize]

Grass isn't always greener on the other side of the fence, just is where the septic tank is.

I've never heard that quote before in my life, but it's got to be from WV, somewhere near the Morgantown area.

Wait. Isn't Marshall's primary color Green? Hmmm

[Cider Jim]

No septic tanks in Huntington. It's a real city. And Marshall is right in the middle of downtown.

[Wvflame2013]

Marshal is the blundering turds. jk haha. Yes definitely is a wv statement. Yes I have finally embraced the . Seems to be more and more joining these days.

[Purple Haize]

No septic tanks in Huntington. It's a real city. And Marshall is right in the middle of downtown.

Septic tanks usually are in the middle of a leech bed.....

[Purple Haize]

His arguments and points are all correct...except for the fact that everything he said was wrong.

App State got MUCH more exposure from their bowl win than NDSU will from their millionth consecutive FCS title.

Lowest level FBS revenues far outpace the best in FCS.

Fewer teams will consider dropping FBS football because of the revenue streams it creates, and the negative PR experienced by UAB.

Even if the P5 split off (a big if) they will never ever choose a team that isn't already a major player in the G5 world.

The Big 12 will absolutely expand if deregulation gets voted down. Too much money in title games.

We haven't sniffed the final four of FCS in 20+ years of playing at that level. NDSU did what they are doing pretty quickly. Don't pretend like anyone can duplicate that success by staying down.

The only way to move up to where we want to be is one step at a time. Get to FBS no matter how or where. Move to a more desirable situation from there after demonstrating success. Move to a more desirable situation again after demonstrating more success. Build a fan base worthy of a P5 program. Eventually move to the big time. You can't get to where want to go from the FCS.

You just said we haven't demonstrated success on this level

As for 'revenue' here is where I'm taking my source from:

http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/med ... -increases

The 20 Division I FBS programs whose revenues exceeded their expenses reported median net revenue of $8.45 million. Those schools represent 16 percent of FBS.

Football Championship Subdivision schools did not follow the trend in FBS. With their generated revenue increases outpacing the jump in expenses. Generated revenues have jumped by 10.1 percent since 2012, while expenses increased by only 8 percent over the same timeframe.

[flameshaw]

I see a lot of positives in either argument. I was thinking today while watching the FCS game, that I sure would have loved to be a NDSU fan rushing the field. It seems to be a much more gratifying experience than App St.'s bowl win. Plus you must endure the 2 year transition period, where you play for nothing.
Just an interesting thought, CCU may need us now, more than ever. It may be their only chance to get a decent crowd into their new stadium and to form a natural rivalry in the SBC. I don't see them being successful without some help from someone. The rivalry with us, helped both schools, quite a bit.

[Purple Haize]

I see a lot of positives in either argument. I was thinking today while watching the FCS game, that I sure would have loved to be a NDSU fan rushing the field. It seems to be a much more gratifying experience than App St.'s bowl win. Plus you must endure the 2 year transition period, where you play for nothing.
Just an interesting thought, CCU may need us now, more than ever. It may be their only chance to get a decent crowd into their new stadium and to form a natural rivalry in the SBC. I don't see them being successful without some help from someone. The rivalry with us, helped both schools, quite a bit.

Did CCU commission a Carr report?