[thesportscritic]

that was out of frustration. i just call things like our loss like i see it. Shouldn't have used "bucko" sorry.

[thesportscritic]

if you find a place where I said that I will give you $100 ($1,000 peso )... you take things WAY too personally and get defensive too quick.

no i call things like i see it. i am a realist.

[thesportscritic]

also if it weren't for these breakdowns we wouldn't be having this conversation whatsoever. and also this is a message board i will say anything i want to say. I am not attacking the personality of anybody or anybody personally. it is just the team is losing when they have these confortable leads. Something needs to be fixed on the part of the team.

Bucko?

I don't recall ever typing that you couldn't say what you wanted to on this message board... if you find a place where I said that I will give you $100 ($1,000 peso )... you take things WAY too personally and get defensive too quick.

You are welcome to have a negative opinion and I am going to continue to look at the bright side... to me, life is more enjoyable that way.

It just fired me up that anyone who supports the team would basically say "don't even suit up for the game... we have no chance." That is unbiblical and it hit me the wrong way. If you are going call something "truth" that hasn't happened yet, it better be in Revelation.

let me say this again. until we learn not to have these breakdowns like we have done today and a few games ago then we shouldn't expect to win against the better teams. now when we get consistent and hold on then things will change. but until then my opinion will not change. hopefully the team will prove me wrong tomorrow.

[fsn32]

if you find a place where I said that I will give you $100 ($1,000 peso )... you take things WAY too personally and get defensive too quick.

no i call things like i see it. i am a realist.

I was referring to you saying... "this is a message board i will say anything i want to say." ...when I never even came close to telling you anything to the contrary. An opposite opinion does not mean that I think you shouldn't be allowed to your opinion, I never said anything about you needing to be quite or to not post what you want.

I agree that you tell it like you see it... but your glasses are MUCH darker than mine. I think the Lord wants us to have a positive outlook on life... sure we have to be realistic, we can't live life assuming we are going to hit the lottery... but when I read so much blatent negativity it makes me look even harder for the positive, it also brings the passion out in my pen.

In my opinion (and this is a message board so I can say anything I want ) you are looking at this way too far on the doomsday side of realism. This is a good team and to say that they have NO chance of bouncing back is a disservice to them. I can tell you that this coaching staff and this team as a whole, plays to glorify God... now I don't think God is pencilling in the final scores in every boxscore (if so, the Cowboys would never lose ) but He has certainly blessed these girls before and I doubt He has written them off already.

[El Scorcho]

I wish I was in Cancun right now.

[thesportscritic]

if you find a place where I said that I will give you $100 ($1,000 peso )... you take things WAY too personally and get defensive too quick.

no i call things like i see it. i am a realist.

I was referring to you saying... "this is a message board i will say anything i want to say." ...when I never even came close to telling you anything to the contrary. An opposite opinion does not mean that I think you shouldn't be allowed to your opinion, I never said anything about you needing to be quite or to not post what you want.

I agree that you tell it like you see it... but your glasses are MUCH darker than mine. I think the Lord wants us to have a positive outlook on life... sure we have to be realistic, we can't live life assuming we are going to hit the lottery... but when I read so much blatent negativity it makes me look even harder for the positive, it also brings the passion out in my pen.

In my opinion (and this is a message board so I can say anything I want ) you are looking at this way too far on the doomsday side of realism. This is a good team and to say that they have NO chance of bouncing back is a disservice to them. I can tell you that this coaching staff and this team as a whole, plays to glorify God... now I don't think God is pencilling in the final scores in every boxscore (if so, the Cowboys would never lose ) but He has certainly blessed these girls before and I doubt He has written them off already.

let me say this for the last time!!!! We will not win if we continue to have these breakdowns like we been having the last few games. Sheesh. how many times do i have to repeat myself. So i see today is that we might have a lead on Pittsburg and blow it. That's been happening the last few games. The girls need to get it together.

[jcmanson]

I can see both sides of the arguments being made by fsn and the critic. The season to this point (besides the UVa win) has been a dissapointment. Between JMU, Va Tech, GW, and yesterday we should have won at least one and maybe 2. If we would have done that, we wouldn't be having this discussion right now. BUT we didn't. So it has been dissapointing thus far.

I still would say that if we lose more than 1 game in conference it would be a big upset. We can lose, but there is no way we should. These girls will bounc back. I don't know if it will be today, or in Maryland, or when conference starts, but they will bounce back.

As far as seeding, it is WAY too early to discuss that. All the girls need to do is take care of their business. The rest will play itself out.

So, it is fair to be dissapointed with the team thus far, but it is not fair to the team to give up on them. I am hoping for a win today, not planning on it, but hoping for one.

[TIMSCAR20]

Well I have to agree with FSN 1000% (is there such a thing?) We are way, way way too critical of this team and we totally disrespect the efforts of the other teams like they are fielding non-scholarship athletes that came off the streets or something. I agree that we need to learn how to take care of the ball and hold on to leads but to think we are not the heavy, heavy favorite to win the conference is quite frankly, not intelligent basketball wise. Our team is 10 times better than the bs competition and we will win a ton of games and probably the championship tournament. As far as Pitt? They are beatable and we will compete end of story. Being cynical and pressing the panic button does not mean you are keeping it real Sportscritc. It just comes off as pessimistic, unsupportive and down right unreasonable. No one is saying you can't have your opinion but it also is going to be challenged for it's extreme nature. This team is still good. I like our chances to compete in today's game and I think FSN is right about staying positive and the biblical principles he bases his argument on. I applaude you my friend. I haven't finished reading the entire thread but I had to get my thoughts out as this one kind of bothered me with the direction it was going.

[TIMSCAR20]

Two more thoughts. FSN I don't like you anymore since you root for the Cowboys

Critic....Bucko? That one had me rolling with laughter.

Glad to see we are all still passionate about our team though. We haven't had this much chatter in the Ladies section in a while.

[Chris Lang]

I love the passion you guys display for your team. I really do. But sometimes, some of you can get so reactionary, especially in basketball. One loss in college basketball (especially in the non-conference) is not going to ruin a season. Reading some of the posts in the men's forum, you've got people saying that the men won't win another game for a long time. Why? Because they lost to St. Francis on the road? St. Francis came close to beating Bucknell at home, and Bucknell made it to the second round of the NCAAs two years in a row. Buffalo nearly beat top-10 Pitt at home. This isn't the end of the world. As long as the team competes and shows significant steps during those games, the results really don't matter.

As far as UTA goes, they're on the same level as Liberty ... a top team from a minor conference that generally competes for its league championship and NCAA berth. It's pretty short-sighted to denigrate UTA by saying this was an embarrassing loss, acting like Liberty just lost to a Division II team or something. UTA won 20 games last year.

Back on topic a bit, I think there is a reason for some concern, if only because the women haven't shown a whole lot of growth from last year to this year. A lot of the same issues are popping up. Liberty is still struggling to score too much. Carey seems to be tinkering with every lineup combination imaginable right now, so that may have something to do with it. But that's what the non-conference season is for -- to get ready for league play.

Biggest issues to resolve in the next few weeks:
1. Point guard play. Allyson has sort of disappeared over the last couple of weeks, and her confidence isn't what it was. Michelle turned it over seven times yesterday, that's too much. Rachel's back is going to be an ongoing problem, and I don't think she'll ever be more than a 15-18 minute a game player because of it.

2. Post play. With KP out, Egle is getting her shot, and Carey continues to tell me how good she can be. I just haven't seen it yet. Megan can't just score on drives and jump shots. You need to have a reliable threat on the block to take some pressure off her.

3. Secondary shooter. Someone needs to step up as a reliable outlet from long range so Megan can pass out of double teams and make teams pay. Courtney is the ideal candidate, but she hasn't gotten in any sort of groove in the two years I've watched this team play.

Carry on. I just urge you all to take a deep breath and look at the non-conference season the way the coaches do. Issues and growth trump results at this time of year.

[TIMSCAR20]

applause!!!!

Chris, well said.

[thesportscritic]

Well I have to agree with FSN 1000% (is there such a thing?) We are way, way way too critical of this team and we totally disrespect the efforts of the other teams like they are fielding non-scholarship athletes that came off the streets or something. I agree that we need to learn how to take care of the ball and hold on to leads but to think we are not the heavy, heavy favorite to win the conference is quite frankly, not intelligent basketball wise. Our team is 10 times better than the bs competition and we will win a ton of games and probably the championship tournament. As far as Pitt? They are beatable and we will compete end of story. Being cynical and pressing the panic button does not mean you are keeping it real Sportscritc. It just comes off as pessimistic, unsupportive and down right unreasonable. No one is saying you can't have your opinion but it also is going to be challenged for it's extreme nature. This team is still good. I like our chances to compete in today's game and I think FSN is right about staying positive and the biblical principles he bases his argument on. I applaude you my friend. I haven't finished reading the entire thread but I had to get my thoughts out as this one kind of bothered me with the direction it was going.

i will say this for the last freakin time.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! until we learn to close out games this team will have a tough time winning games. I don't give a rats behind about the big south until we get that far. AND SCAR AND FSN32 i am realist when it comes to sports. i will call it like i see it.

[thesportscritic]

i think i can call SCAR and FSN32 apologists for our play lately.

[thesportscritic]

No one is saying you can't have your opinion but it also is going to be challenged for it's extreme nature.

and i will challenge you even harder if you want to be an apologist. sure we have a decent team but until some of the problems we have right now are corrected then i stand by my opinion.

[SuperJon]

Wow, can you say defensive?

[thesportscritic]

Wow, can you say defensive?

can you say realist

[Sly Fox]

can you say realist

Careful, critic. I don't think you want to align yourself with that cat.

Only a LU could a womens hoops discussion become this heated.

[thesportscritic]

what i meant sly fox is that i am a realist when it comes to sports. sorry for the misunderstanding but i know what you mean though

[TIMSCAR20]

Critic, you are not being a realist if you say we have a "decent" team. Your expectations are so inflated that it is scary. We have had 3 top 20 teams on the ropes and actually was in the drivers seat but couldn't close. To me that is a great team at this level. An extraordinary team with tons of talent and will win a ton of games. You don't give those top 20 teams any credit for staving off the upset, you basically say that are ladies are giving the games away which I know is not true. Those are really good teams and we have a really good team. Being a cynic does not mean you are a realist. Taking the most negative slant on a view point does not mean you are "telling it like it is." It is frustrating for our women to be that close to winning and then not be able to close the deal but to be as critical of them as you have been is simply not realistic IMO. If you were keeping it real, you would have known that we could compete with and possibly beat Pitt but you had them written off before the game started. That is not realistic, that is a defeatist attitude and if Coach Green and Co had that perspective they wouldn't ever accomplish anything. It is funny that you call me an apologist for women's basketball when a year ago you were saying that I don't support the team enough because I am not at every game or I have watched from the TV booth on occasion. I guess I have come a long way to be called an apogist

[thesportscritic]

Critic, you are not being a realist if you say we have a "decent" team. Your expectations are so inflated that it is scary. We have had 3 top 20 teams on the ropes and actually was in the drivers seat but couldn't close. To me that is a great team at this level. An extraordinary team with tons of talent and will win a ton of games. You don't give those top 20 teams any credit for staving off the upset, you basically say that are ladies are giving the games away which I know is not true. Those are really good teams and we have a really good team. Being a cynic does not mean you are a realist. Taking the most negative slant on a view point does not mean you are "telling it like it is." It is frustrating for our women to be that close to winning and then not be able to close the deal but to be as critical of them as you have been is simply not realistic IMO. If you were keeping it real, you would have known that we could compete with and possibly beat Pitt but you had them written off before the game started. That is not realistic, that is a defeatist attitude and if Coach Green and Co had that perspective they wouldn't ever accomplish anything. It is funny that you call me an apologist for women's basketball when a year ago you were saying that I don't support the team enough because I am not at every game or I have watched from the TV booth on occasion. I guess I have come a long way to be called an apogist

You have got to be *(t^*&)t^)(^ kidding me SCAR. Sure we have had 3 top 20 teams on the ropes and have lost and you call this a sign of a great team. You have got to be )(*^)*( kidding me!!!!! Great teams close teams out and we have not been doing that the last 4 out of 5 tries. We aren't the greatest team right now SCAR. You are nothing but a kool aid drinker. A win is a win and a loss is a loss plain and simple. And you are being an apologist right now as i speak from some of your comments. Look at the )(^)(^ ( pattern on how we have lost the games. Sorry but that is how i see the pattern until the cycle is broken. Something is not right at this point. LU doesn't blow leads this frequently like they have the past several games. Sure they competed well for the most part against these teams but in the end it goes back to not putting them away when we had the lead. You don't want to recognize some of the problems with the team. Megan is the only one scoring and nobody is stepping up to take the load off of her. Until that happens then against the better teams they will just key on Megan. Our guard play is not consistent right now and we have too many turnovers with our guards. You call that a sign of a great team then you need to go back and look up the definition of a great team. SCAR can you say to yourself kool aid drinker. Good riddance!!!!!!!!!

[thesportscritic]

One more thing my opinion is that I don't know how good LU can be this year if someone besides megan can score.

[TIMSCAR20]

A win is a win and a loss is a loss is reducing the equation and belittling effort, growth and other acheivements. If our men go down to Florida and lose by 2 on a buzzer beater will that be the same as a loss to Charleston Southern by 40 at home? No. Wow, I have gone from being non-supportive of the ladies to a kool aide drinker? Man I am moving up in the world Critic, truly you are a nice guy but you don't have a clue about what you are talking about when it comes to college athletics. It is not as simple as you make it out to be and you have no idea how tough it is to beat a top 20 team. You expect it? Do you know why they are in the top 20? Because they know how to make plays and win games in the last 4 ot 5 minutes. I am done with this thread really because we are so far apart in our thinking it is simply a waste of my time. Go Lady Flames. Beat HPU! woo hoo!!!!

[thesportscritic]

kool aid drinker. a win is a win and a loss is a loss baldy. you still have yet to admit that we have glaring weaknesses on the team. effort is all good and well but effort does not go in the win or loss column. and you don't have a clue what you are talking about either. i am sick of people like you. i tell the truth and you tell me i don't know what i am talking about. talk about a loser.

[jcmanson]

kool aid drinker. a win is a win and a loss is a loss baldy. you still have yet to admit that we have glaring weaknesses on the team. effort is all good and well but effort does not go in the win or loss column. and you don't have a clue what you are talking about either. i am sick of people like you. i tell the truth and you tell me i don't know what i am talking about. talk about a loser.

Wow! You must have some balls to call Scar out like that! Here is a guy that played and coached on the D-1 level. Have you? If anyone knows anything about D-1 bball, he does.

[TIMSCAR20]

Wow, critic I am a loser? What sport did you play in college again? How much money are you making? What house or car do you own? Tell me your major accomplishments in life again? Truthfully I have been kind to you but you are being a loser with a loser's mentality when you tell our ladies not to show up against a Pitt team becasue they didn't close out a game against a very tough opponent. I am not gonna get personal anymore and Sly can edit my post if he wishes but calling me a loser is way off base Critic.

And btw I did admit in the other thread that we have glaring weaknesses on the team but it is not the end of the world. No team is playing it's best ball this time of year.