[thepostman]

Of course there is more abuse of alcohol because it is legal but just because that is the case doesn't mean there is a large portion of Americans that have had exposure to it. I have seen the effects of both and would take the effects of weed any day. Again this is based on my own personal experience which is what shapes our views on certain issues.

[R i]

Nicky stayed in trouble, but I think the straw the broke the Camel's back was grades.
I can see Gary getting a second chance once his charge gets reduced to a misdemeanor at his August court date.

The Liberty Way should legalize Weed ? What was that Jerry said about burning the place down ?

LU is a different University, that plays by their own rules. If prospective students dont like said rules, they should attend LU online.

[thepostman]

Who said Liberty should allow weed?

[flamehunter]

Who said Liberty should allow weed?

This guy:

Weed should not be a felony.

Serious question: If liberty were located in Colorado, are they still booted from the team? I think yes. HCTG doesn't play games. (aside from the wonderful game of football)

I would hope not. Liberty needs to understand that they aren't the reason why kids will abstain from sex, money or drugs. College students are going to make decisions, regardless of what the university deems acceptable behavior. If you want to have rules for legalities, I'm fine with it, which is I don't have an issue with them being kick off. But if pot is legalized in VA, LU needs to adjust.

[VAGolf]

My grandfather has abused my grandmother and kids for over 30 years because of an alcohol addiction. He shot a gun at my grandmother because he's an alcoholic. I'll still have a drink every now and again. Abuse of anything can have negative effects. Hell, go to youtube and watch kids freak out over video games. They have the same addiction...it's just with a different substance. Yet, no one wants to outlaw video games. So, of course, if you go and research cases of people abusing marijuana, you will find horror stories. But I would contend that those don't compare to the stories that you could find with alcohol abuse. And I would contend that they are at best equal to the stories that you find with tobacco abuse and gambling addictions. You can drink too much water and get sick. You can do TERRIBLE damage to your body by exercising too much. My point is, if we're going to outlaw things because of the effects they have on addicts, then hardly anything should be legal.

[Yacht Rock]

And I would contend that they are at best equal to the stories that you find with tobacco abuse and gambling addictions.

Nope. Another two things that I have a lot of experience with. Pot use doesn't even come close to gambling addictions or tobacco use in the impact they cause on those around them.

Yes, addiction to anything is bad. The decisions people make while under the influence of weed is a whole different story. Do people make bad decisions under the influence of alcohol? Yes, they do. All the time.

I've seen casual marijuana use ruin people's lives. Like it or not, they have a much different impact on someone's facilities than alcohol or tobacco.

Once again, one of the biggest reasons people are misled into thinking that marijuana is fine is because many people who do it usually aren't vocal about it because it isn't legal. You can be more open about gambling, drinking, and tobacco because you're not going to be arrested for using it. So because those problems are out in the open, people like yourself think they don't exist.

[Chris Lang]

I don't want to act like I'm in Turner's head, because I'm not. But I think if this was simply a possession charge and not an intent to distribute charge, we've got a completely different story.

[thepostman]

Who said Liberty should allow weed?

This guy:

Weed should not be a felony.

Serious question: If liberty were located in Colorado, are they still booted from the team? I think yes. HCTG doesn't play games. (aside from the wonderful game of football)

I would hope not. Liberty needs to understand that they aren't the reason why kids will abstain from sex, money or drugs. College students are going to make decisions, regardless of what the university deems acceptable behavior. If you want to have rules for legalities, I'm fine with it, which is I don't have an issue with them being kick off. But if pot is legalized in VA, LU needs to adjust.

ahhh. I missed that.

Well, I would agree that logic is flawed.

[bluejacket]

I don't want to act like I'm in Turner's head, because I'm not. But I think if this was simply a possession charge and not an intent to distribute charge, we've got a completely different story.

Bingo

[VAGolf]

And I would contend that they are at best equal to the stories that you find with tobacco abuse and gambling addictions.

Nope. Another two things that I have a lot of experience with. Pot use doesn't even come close to gambling addictions or tobacco use in the impact they cause on those around them.

Yes, addiction to anything is bad. The decisions people make while under the influence of weed is a whole different story. Do people make bad decisions under the influence of alcohol? Yes, they do. All the time.

I've seen casual marijuana use ruin people's lives. Like it or not, they have a much different impact on someone's facilities than alcohol or tobacco.

Once again, one of the biggest reasons people are misled into thinking that marijuana is fine is because many people who do it usually aren't vocal about it because it isn't legal. You can be more open about gambling, drinking, and tobacco because you're not going to be arrested for using it. So because those problems are out in the open, people like yourself think they don't exist.

That is absolutely, 100% not true. Gambling addictions have put families on streets and caused children to starve. I'll never forget being at a casino a few years ago and the guy next to me at the blackjack table. We talked for several minutes and I eventually found out that he was using GROCERY money, in hopes that he would win and buy his child a birthday gift. Imagine that, grocery money?! I didn't stay at that table long enough to know whether or not he won. But what if he lost? He wouldn't be able to feed himself or his kid. I would much rather he be on pot than that mess. I work in the finance industry, I have heard countless stories of people who have gambling addictions and can't save money. I even have a friend whose Dad has struggled with gambling for years and the emotional toll has led to them having virtually no relationship.

People have become much more open about pot. Maybe they aren't as open with your generation. But anyone in my generation discusses the use of pot freely. I've known for a while which of my friends smoke and which of them abstain. For the record, I don't use it because I don't do things that are illegal, even if I disagree with the legality. I just find this law to be completely based on irrational fear of those who choose to be ignorant.

[R i]

If this is dropped to a misdemeanor as Sly predicted, and I agree with, Its very likely that Gary will be in the starting lineup in September. He will lift on his own over the summer, and miss two weeks of camp,he will have a couple weeks to learn any new installs, he has plenty of game experience to be able to pick up and play Game Number 1.

I would say how he responds, and if Turner gets the contrition he is looking for, are the biggest factors.

Nicky had plenty of strikes against him, and he was on a grades suspension. I dont think he returns.
That and Thomas Kennedy beat him out in camp.

[Yacht Rock]

And I would contend that they are at best equal to the stories that you find with tobacco abuse and gambling addictions.

Nope. Another two things that I have a lot of experience with. Pot use doesn't even come close to gambling addictions or tobacco use in the impact they cause on those around them.

Yes, addiction to anything is bad. The decisions people make while under the influence of weed is a whole different story. Do people make bad decisions under the influence of alcohol? Yes, they do. All the time.

I've seen casual marijuana use ruin people's lives. Like it or not, they have a much different impact on someone's facilities than alcohol or tobacco.

Once again, one of the biggest reasons people are misled into thinking that marijuana is fine is because many people who do it usually aren't vocal about it because it isn't legal. You can be more open about gambling, drinking, and tobacco because you're not going to be arrested for using it. So because those problems are out in the open, people like yourself think they don't exist.

That is absolutely, 100% not true. Gambling addictions have put families on streets and caused children to starve. I'll never forget being at a casino a few years ago and the guy next to me at the blackjack table. We talked for several minutes and I eventually found out that he was using GROCERY money, in hopes that he would win and buy his child a birthday gift. Imagine that, grocery money?! I didn't stay at that table long enough to know whether or not he won. But what if he lost? He wouldn't be able to feed himself or his kid. I would much rather he be on pot than that mess. I work in the finance industry, I have heard countless stories of people who have gambling addictions and can't save money. I even have a friend whose Dad has struggled with gambling for years and the emotional toll has led to them having virtually no relationship.

People have become much more open about pot. Maybe they aren't as open with your generation. But anyone in my generation discusses the use of pot freely. I've known for a while which of my friends smoke and which of them abstain. For the record, I don't use it because I don't do things that are illegal, even if I disagree with the legality. I just find this law to be completely based on irrational fear of those who choose to be ignorant.

As someone who has used pot I guess that makes me more qualified to speak to the dangers of it.

As far as gambling is concerned I worked in the Casino business for many years and am well aware of the dangers of addictive gambling. Once again, you made your own point when you said all addictions can be bad. I've seen people put drugs, beer, tobacco, cars, etc before their family. All of them are bad in my opinion. My generation? Lol. I'm certain you're making some false assumptions here.

[Purple Haize]

No Delilah references? Really? I'm very disappointed

[forbidden]

I don't want to act like I'm in Turner's head, because I'm not. But I think if this was simply a possession charge and not an intent to distribute charge, we've got a completely different story.

The amount is the problem and the WHOLE problem

[Sly Fox]

From what I am hearing, the distribution aspect to this story is very questionable. There is no excuse for illegal behavior, but the cicrumstances surrounding this arrest are far from what the charges would indicate. The odds of this staying a felony are slim at best. I would be very surprised if there was any significant time in a sentence. Tough situation all around and I wish Gary nothing but the best moving forward. Hopefully this proves to be a catalyst for him to re-prioritize and move ahead. Thankfully he is able to transfer and show himself accountable in his final season.

And for the record, I fully support Coach Gill's decision.

[SuperJon]

From what I am hearing, the distribution aspect to this story is very questionable. There is no excuse for illegal behavior, but the cicrumstances surrounding this arrest are far from what the charges would indicate.

The same thing was said a few years ago and we all know how that turned out. I know this isn't the same situation, but until we hear other wise, we can't give anyone the benefit of the doubt.

If it gets dropped to a misdemeanor then I'd be good bringing him back with a couple game suspension. If it stays a felony then there's no chance.

[ATrain]

I also support Coach Gill's decision. Yes, I believe every state should do like Colorado, Washington, Oregon and Alaska...but alcohol is legal for those over 21, LU still forbids that, along with tobacco and sex outside of heterosexual marriage. You don't like the rules then either leave or find out if you're smart enough to not get caught. If you're not smart enough, you probably shouldn't be in school anyway b/c its really not hard to have the life you want while attending LU.

Also, for the record, I have not done pot/weed/marijuana.

[flameshaw]

Call me old school, that is ok. However, even if this is dropped to a misdemeanor, I don't believe he needs to be on the team this year. Maybe have him sit out a year and invite him back based on how he does. That would pretty much guarantee that it is more than just playing football. Hope he takes this as a teachable moment.

[R i]

Going with Nicky F.'s previous arrests as an example, Kevin Grooms and the like, I think Coach Gill has shown us how he will play this. See if the kid wants the second chance and extend it to him with a two game suspension or something.

Very good move in dismissing him from the team until the legal stuff is done. If JB and Co. have learned anything from the Asa debacle its, -dont let pending felons participate or be a part of the team-

Im with SJ, we cant give Gary the benefit of the doubt on this one, those "facts that will make the situation all better" never came out. I didnt get Jr's quote exactly right, but its out there somewhere on the web for those that want to search.

[Kiwon]

I also support Coach Gill's decision. Yes, I believe every state should do like Colorado, Washington, Oregon and Alaska...but alcohol is legal for those over 21, LU still forbids that, along with tobacco and sex outside of heterosexual marriage. You don't like the rules then either leave or find out if you're smart enough to not get caught. If you're not smart enough, you probably shouldn't be in school anyway b/c its really not hard to have the life you want while attending LU.

Also, for the record, I have not done pot/weed/marijuana.

I am sure that you are being descriptive and not prescriptive here but it's a sad fact that "Christian" kids would think that they are getting away with anything.

Reality check: God, our Creator, is holy; He punishes sin; Things done in the dark will be exposed in the light; Besides dealing with consequences of sin on earth, each person will face His judgment in the future.

Being "smart" means living according to God's truth and being blessed by Him. Being "stupid" is calling yourself a Christian and then intentionally living opposite of what you profess. Every person is an individual and it's impossible to generalize accurately, but based on my interactions with LU students, on-campus or on-line, they are an impressive bunch. Just my opinion based on my experience thus far.

[SuperJon]

I don't think having friends over to my house is a sin. To think the Liberty Way is on the same level as the Bible is just a little off base.

[Rooster Cogburn]

Any way we can discuss how this affects the football team instead of pointless free the weed discussions?

So who will step up into this spot?

[Purple Haize]

I also support Coach Gill's decision. Yes, I believe every state should do like Colorado, Washington, Oregon and Alaska...but alcohol is legal for those over 21, LU still forbids that, along with tobacco and sex outside of heterosexual marriage. You don't like the rules then either leave or find out if you're smart enough to not get caught. If you're not smart enough, you probably shouldn't be in school anyway b/c its really not hard to have the life you want while attending LU.

Also, for the record, I have not done pot/weed/marijuana.

I am sure that you are being descriptive and not prescriptive here but it's a sad fact that "Christian" kids would think that they are getting away with anything.

Reality check: God, our Creator, is holy; He punishes sin; Things done in the dark will be exposed in the light; Besides dealing with consequences of sin on earth, each person will face His judgment in the future.

Being "smart" means living according to God's truth and being blessed by Him. Being "stupid" is calling yourself a Christian and then intentionally living opposite of what you profess. Every person is an individual and it's impossible to generalize accurately, but based on my interactions with LU students, on-campus or on-line, they are an impressive bunch. Just my opinion based on my experience thus far.

Yeah, no kid has EVER tried to get away with anything. I think ATrains point is valid

[Yacht Rock]

I don't think having friends over to my house is a sin. To think the Liberty Way is on the same level as the Bible is just a little off base.

Yeah but dishonesty is. If you agree to live by a set of rules and then don't follow them, does that act itself present a moral conflict? I think it does.

Keeping your word is a pretty big deal.

[thepostman]

I don't want to be that guy because I freely admit that I did not follow a lot of the rules while I was a student but I did agree that I would and by not doing so I do believe I was sinning simply because of the honesty thing not because the rules somehow make me more holy.

Man, I must be getting old.