[Kolzilla41]

Instead of trying to impress everyone, Liberty should use some of that energy and invest in their current students and community.

So....is this not being done?

Absolutely not.

You have proof?

[thepostman]

I am sure liberty is doing fine. There's always room for improvement but come on let's not make it sound like they are doing nothing.

[R i]

Liberty is absolutely using none of its energy to invest in current students and community ?

Common Golf, your losing credibility. Your handicap is going through the roof.

Justin was no doubt very good at that job, but in my experience, maybe that job description should read, "we are looking for someone that the students can relate to in age and season of life, and this is a paid internship, please do not expect to be in this role for more than 3 years. "

I think there are several benefits of rotating the worship leader on campus every couple years.

[justagirl]

I remember being the one scouring these boards to see what people had speculated or made up about my family, the circumstances behind us leaving LU, and all of the crazy rumors that flew. Sometimes it provided comic relief to the stress. Others it hurt my heart and made me angry and defensive and bitter. So, I won't do the same to this sweet family. I will say that I am sure they are RIGHT where God wants them right now, and I am confident that they will definitely seek his will as they prepare for the next step of their journey together. Wish them nothing but the best.

[alabama24]

Wish them nothing but the best.

Good post.

[VAGolf]

Only 49% of students graduate within six years...that's pathetic. Utterly pathetic. Radford is 59%...

Those numbers happen when you don't invest in your students. Advisors do a very poor job communicating with students, and in many cases aren't qualified.

Additionally, you can look around at our athletes and find a slew of offenses that would get typical students kicked out. Yet, since it's athletes committing the violation, they get a pass.

Everything that Liberty builds for it's students, really is just there for prospective students.

Those are just a few examples. As for the community aspect, what exactly is Liberty doing for the community?

As far as if someone will relate to students, age is a very small factor. A lot of students can relate to people regardless of age. Kintzel was amazingly approachable, and just felt like another student. You won't find that type of person in a big name hire.

[justagirl]

Only 49% of students graduate within six years...that's pathetic. Utterly pathetic. Radford is 59%...

Those numbers happen when you don't invest in your students. Advisors do a very poor job communicating with students, and in many cases aren't qualified.

Additionally, you can look around at our athletes and find a slew of offenses that would get typical students kicked out. Yet, since it's athletes committing the violation, they get a pass.

Everything that Liberty builds for it's students, really is just there for prospective students.

Those are just a few examples. As for the community aspect, what exactly is Liberty doing for the community?

As far as if someone will relate to students, age is a very small factor. A lot of students can relate to people regardless of age. Kintzel was amazingly approachable, and just felt like another student. You won't find that type of person in a big name hire.

I work for a for-profit institution..and while I know for-profits don't typically have the best rep, we have A LOT of students coming from LU! Ones that are generally unhappy with the lack of personal experience. They can't get answers to questions, can't get a hold of an academic adviser, etc. While I do see it as an issue, it isn't one that is specific to LU...I think you would find the same at most large institutions. For-profit institutions have come under fire recently and are in the midst of some legislation to fix some of the "issues" within our sector of education. We have all said numerous times that some of the same legislation would be more useful and justifiable at larger, 4 year schools.

[Humble_Opinion]

Only 49% of students graduate within six years...that's pathetic. Utterly pathetic. Radford is 59%...

Using this number the way you do just proves to me that you have no idea about the facts behind the number. Don't bother asking me to explain it to you because I won't, but for people who know anything about LU's operations it's easy to ascertain why comparing LU to Radford, or virtually any other school on the list is not exactly and apples to apples comparison.

Additionally, you can look around at our athletes and find a slew of offenses that would get typical students kicked out. Yet, since it's athletes committing the violation, they get a pass.

From what I've heard... this has changed in a real way after the Asa situation.

Everything that Liberty builds for it's students, really is just there for prospective students.

So the students currently here aren't benefiting from the expanded Lahaye? They aren't benefiting from the new renovations in the Dining Hall? They aren't benefiting from the new Library?? They aren't benefiting from the numerous investments and expansions in the Campus Rec program? They won't benefit from the number of stand alone academic buildings that are either planned or currently being constructed? What a naive statement...

Those are just a few examples. As for the community aspect, what exactly is Liberty doing for the community?

Umm... gee... requiring all their students to volunteer 40+ hours a year? Donating $250k to the Lynchburg Humane Society? Donating $25k to the local Lynchburg Library? Those are just a few of the most recent "giveaways" from the past few months. Then you have to account for the impact the school has on the local economy. The school funds the Economic Impact every few years. Don't know how up-to-date it is, but if you read that and still think that LU doesn't do A LOT for the community then there's no help for you.

As far as if someone will relate to students, age is a very small factor. A lot of students can relate to people regardless of age. Kintzel was amazingly approachable, and just felt like another student. You won't find that type of person in a big name hire.

I really think you should wait to see what happens before jumping to conclusions about the next person that gets hired, regardless of whether it's a "big name" or not... There are plenty of people who have come through LU, are now "big names" and are still some of the most giving and approachable people around.

[alabama24]

Only 49% of students graduate within six years...that's pathetic.

Source? Details?

Everything that Liberty builds for it's students, really is just there for prospective students.

Those are just a few examples. As for the community aspect, what exactly is Liberty doing for the community?

As far as if someone will relate to students, age is a very small factor. A lot of students can relate to people regardless of age. Kintzel was amazingly approachable, and just felt like another student. You won't find that type of person in a big name hire.

Everything that Liberty builds for it's students, really is just there for prospective students.

That's just about the dumbest thing I have ever heard. Many past PROSPECTIVE students are CURRENT students. Yeah, we built a 50 million dollar library "just for the facade."

Those are just a few examples. As for the community aspect, what exactly is Liberty doing for the community?

Liberty does plenty. We give food to food banks. We are one of the largest employers. We provide amenities (i.e. snow flex) to students from other schools free of cost. We house locals during extreme weather events.

Kintzel was amazingly approachable, and just felt like another student. You won't find that type of person in a big name hire.

Yes, because all "big name hires" must be jerks. Give me a break.

I don't know Justin. I don't know what happened in this situation. I do trust Nasser, however, and think he was a great hire.

[VAGolf]

Um, I merely brought up Radford to show how pathetic our numbers are. Is it a perfect comparison? No, but it doesn't need to be either. 49% of students graduating within six years is terrible.

Athletes still get away with things that average students don't.

Yes, those things were built. But prospective students are ALWAYS given first priority to amenities before current students. The problem with your thinking is exactly what I'm getting at. You and many at LU believe that you can fix any problem by throwing cash at it or improving a building. None of those buildings were built with the sole purpose of improving the life of a current student, they were all built to impress.

Really? You're going to use CSER? The Sparky team gives out 20 hours of CSER to anyone who wants to walk next to the mascot for a few basketball games. Yes, some students venture off campus to get their hours but most students earn their CSER on campus. The biggest lie of CSER is that LU uses it to improve the community. It's mostly meant to merely improve the university.

[Purple Haize]

I only know what 1 person said about Nasser but don't know either. I am enjoying the situation and am glad our Nasse isn't realted to this guy

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[ALUmnus]

Um, I merely brought up Radford to show how pathetic our numbers are. Is it a perfect comparison? No, but it doesn't need to be either. 49% of students graduating within six years is terrible.

Athletes still get away with things that average students don't.

Yes, those things were built. But prospective students are ALWAYS given first priority to amenities before current students. The problem with your thinking is exactly what I'm getting at. You and many at LU believe that you can fix any problem by throwing cash at it or improving a building. None of those buildings were built with the sole purpose of improving the life of a current student, they were all built to impress.

Really? You're going to use CSER? The Sparky team gives out 20 hours of CSER to anyone who wants to walk next to the mascot for a few basketball games. Yes, some students venture off campus to get their hours but most students earn their CSER on campus. The biggest lie of CSER is that LU uses it to improve the community. It's mostly meant to merely improve the university.

When you build something, particularly a large facility, that takes time. And even so, unless they're graduating or leaving the school, all current students will benefit from expansion. This isn't throwing money to fix a problem, it's called BUILDING A SCHOOL. This is what LU has always aspired to. It's finally being realized, and you're upset about it.

I'm still trying to figure out how prospective students are given priority to amenities. How does that work?

Our LOCAL church has dozens of students every semester volunteering and being involved in a LOCAL church while they're in school. This not only benefits the student, but also the church and the community. CSER helps facilitate that. Same with the Y, area charities, food banks, schools, hospitals, nursing homes, etc. How many students go on mission trips every year? But I'm sure it's all selfishly motivated to in some way benefit LU to further fill to coffers.

[From the class of 09]

Only 49% of students graduate within six years...that's pathetic.

Maybe LU has more nontraditional students...maybe working full time and going to school online at night? Does LU have many online students?

[BJWilliams]

Only 49% of students graduate within six years...that's pathetic.

Maybe LU has more nontraditional students...maybe working full time and going to school online at night? Does LU have many online students?

Then you have people who just take longer than others. I took 7 years to get my bachelors...Patrick Andrews (a story you really should familiarize yourself with sweaty one) had to take one or two classes a semester for a while and he still got his degree. I'm sure there are dozens of other stories of people who did not get their degree in the "traditional" timeframe

I won't even delve into the idiocy of your statement about community involvement except to say two words: Campus Serve...

[ATrain]

I took 6 years to graduate...but I got 2 degrees.

Regardless, when I was on campus at the time, there was a feeling LCA students were being given priority over us at the student center, etc...and looking back on it, simply wasn't true.

Yes, the school is expanding and things that are being added are being shown to prospective students to entice them to choose Liberty. That's called marketing. Current students are benefitting as well.

As for CSER, yes...a lot of students just find some way to do their 20 hours on campus and call it a day. For most of my CSERs, it was performed off campus with a college ministry at an off-campus church, and prior to my involvement with tennis I went on missions trips every year as an undergrad.

[thepostman]

Liberty accepts everybody and the 49% number happens when you do that. End of discussion in my mind.

[TDDance234]

Nasser offending people? You don't say.

[BJWilliams]

Frankly that doesnt bother me as much because people who are easily offended will find something to be offended about regardless of the situation and surrounding context