[4everfsu]

Chuck south better enjoy the success this year, because I can't see Jamey Chadwell not getting a better gig after this season.

ASU folk in the SB chat forum is pushing for Chadwell to be hired as their HC.

[ballcoach15]

The key to an on-sides kick is kick the ball 10 yards.

[bluejacket]

The key to an on-sides kick is kick the ball 10 yards.

Definitely. It looked like we had a great opportunity to get it, but Lunsford just recovered it a little too quickly.

[BJWilliams]

Gotta hit it with the instep like you would passing a soccer ball. You have to think that if he hits it square it goes 10 yards. I will agree that it it was a good call given the circumstances

[Chippy]

The key to an on-sides kick is kick the ball 10 yards.

Definitely. It looked like we had a great opportunity to get it, but Lunsford just recovered it a little too quickly.

Actually Lunsford stood there and watched the ball spin almost backwards after going maybe 5 yards from his tee as the APP State guy fell on it. Watch the replay. The ASU guy could have just picked it up and ran but chose to fall on the ball. Nonetheless 1 play later and we're down 7-0.

Saw a HS team do a trick play onside kicked that worked. Had a "sleeper" on the sideline while the rest of the team was congregated around the tee. The other team had theor eyes on the odd kick off formation and never saw him on the sidelines.

[bluejacket]

The key to an on-sides kick is kick the ball 10 yards.

Definitely. It looked like we had a great opportunity to get it, but Lunsford just recovered it a little too quickly.

Actually Lunsford stood there and watched the ball spin almost backwards after going maybe 5 yards from his tee as the APP State guy fell on it. Watch the replay. The ASU guy could have just picked it up and ran but chose to fall on the ball. Nonetheless 1 play later and we're down 7-0.

Saw a HS team do a trick play onside kicked that worked. Had a "sleeper" on the sideline while the rest of the team was congregated around the tee. The other team had theor eyes on the odd kick off formation and never saw him on the sidelines.

My mistake. From what I heard on the radio and saw in photos that I could find, it looked and sounded like Lunsford had a chance for it.

I don't get ESPN 3, but I just saw it the replay on the recap with Nick and Alan. It was a good decision, but flat out poor kick/effort from Lunsford.

[BJWilliams]

Yup...a complete mishit by Lunsford...he really could not have jumped on it because it was short otherwise its a penalty unless that app guy doesnt grab it cleanly

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Yup...a complete mishit by Lunsford...he really could not have jumped on it because it was short otherwise its a penalty unless that app guy doesnt grab it cleanly

Its a live ball for the kick receiving team, yes if the front line guy had scooped it yes it would have been a TD. Even after the mishit, Lunsford should of been aware to at least fall on it. if it would have went 10 he would have tried to fall on it. Going tlike 5-7 would have just prevented App from doing scoop and score.

[Humble_Opinion]

To think we have had the hardest schedule in the league is laughable. We've played a DII and a partial scholarship team.

I'm curious if you even looked at the other teams schedules in our conference? Sure - Brevard was a simple game for us. However, we played a top 25 program in the FBS (and played them strong through 3 quarters), we played two top 25 FCS squads (Bryant and Richmond), and another strong team in ISU who happens to be in the toughest football conference in the FCS. And after all of that, we played a weakened App St., who still is an FBS squad with more scholarships as an away game.

I suppose my statement is debatable, but I don't think the facts all fall on your side of the debate enough for you to say it's "laughable" that we've played the toughest schedule in the BSC.

[ATrain]

To think we have had the hardest schedule in the league is laughable. We've played a DII and a partial scholarship team.

I'm curious if you even looked at the other teams schedules in our conference? Sure - Brevard was a simple game for us. However, we played a top 25 program in the FBS (and played them strong through 3 quarters), we played two top 25 FCS squads (Bryant and Richmond), and another strong team in ISU who happens to be in the toughest football conference in the FCS. And after all of that, we played a weakened App St., who still is an FBS squad with more scholarships as an away game.

I suppose my statement is debatable, but I don't think the facts all fall on your side of the debate enough for you to say it's "laughable" that we've played the toughest schedule in the BSC.

Considering Presbyterian's Schedule has THREE FBS, inlcuding 2 P5 games (Ole Miss and NC State), plus Furman...yeah, its fair to say that its laughable to argue we have the toughest schedule.

CSU has #10 Georgia as well as UNC-C (team similar to App), after just playing Vandy. However, they also have 2 D-IIs on he schedule.

I'd say our schedule is on par with CSU, CCU and GWU but a step up from Monmouth.

[bluejacket]

Even with Bluefield, PC's schedule is way, way tougher than ours.

Point (NAIA), Newberry (D-II), and Campbell (who is looking better this season, but still a Pioneer team) killed CSU's schedule.

Coastal has 7 D-I wins (all full scholarship teams) and is eligible for the playoffs right now.

[Humble_Opinion]

Even with Bluefield, PC's schedule is way, way tougher than ours.

Point (NAIA), Newberry (D-II), and Campbell (who is looking better this season, but still a Pioneer team) killed CSU's schedule.

Coastal has 7 D-I wins (all full scholarship teams) and is eligible for the playoffs right now.

I don't really think CCU's schedule is all that difficult. They canceled their game with Clemson I believe on the first week because their HC doesn't want them playing FBS teams anymore. Sure - they've played some decent FCS teams, but those teams are a combined 17-26 up to this point. I hadn't realized Presby plays three FBS squads, and I'd agree that their schedule is likely killer because of it. I would agree that our schedule is close in difficulty with CSU.

In summation though, I don't think our football program is falling off in the slightest at this point and I happen to believe that if we go to Conway SC as a healthy team we can beat them.

[krh44]

Here is the comment on Appy from ESPN Top Ten Bottom List from last week.

9. Appalachian State (1-4)
This weekend the Mountaineers host Liberty University in the Hey We're Winning A Game Oh Yeah This Is What Life Was Like In FCS So Why Did We Leave This Classic.

Here is the updated Bottom 10 list from espn.com
3. Appy State (1-5)
Troy vacates its traditional No. 3 spot, thanks to an upset victory over New Mexico State in the first leg of their Sun Burn, er, Sun Belt Octobermest, er, Octoberfest. Who's up next for the Trojans? The Mountaineers, who lost what was supposed to be a surefire win against an old FCS foe and fell in overtime to the Liberty University Fighting Falwells. Immediately after the game, the Liberty QB said it proved the Flames belong in FBS and, specifically, the Sun Belt. Perhaps it should be pointed out to him how many Sun Belt teams are on our list. Including ...

[flamehunter]

I'll say it again, maybe the Sun Belt did us a favor by not inviting us. Whether we stay FCS or eventually end up somewhere else, it might have been for the best in the long run.

[Liberty22]

Here is the comment on Appy from ESPN Top Ten Bottom List from last week.

9. Appalachian State (1-4)
This weekend the Mountaineers host Liberty University in the Hey We're Winning A Game Oh Yeah This Is What Life Was Like In FCS So Why Did We Leave This Classic.

Here is the updated Bottom 10 list from espn.com
3. Appy State (1-5)
Troy vacates its traditional No. 3 spot, thanks to an upset victory over New Mexico State in the first leg of their Sun Burn, er, Sun Belt Octobermest, er, Octoberfest. Who's up next for the Trojans? The Mountaineers, who lost what was supposed to be a surefire win against an old FCS foe and fell in overtime to the Liberty University Fighting Falwells. Immediately after the game, the Liberty QB said it proved the Flames belong in FBS and, specifically, the Sun Belt. Perhaps it should be pointed out to him how many Sun Belt teams are on our list. Including ...

I get the bottom 10 is a bit of a joke article anyway, but is it really appropriate for an ESPN.com article to refer to us as the Fighting Falwells? Message boards and bleacherreport, yes, but ESPN?

On a side note: The app state message board has a thread going on whether or not we deserve to be invited into the Sun Belt and it looks as if the majority say..... yes.

[bluejacket]

I don't really think CCU's schedule is all that difficult. They canceled their game with Clemson I believe on the first week because their HC doesn't want them playing FBS teams anymore. Sure - they've played some decent FCS teams, but those teams are a combined 17-26 up to this point. I hadn't realized Presby plays three FBS squads, and I'd agree that their schedule is likely killer because of it. I would agree that our schedule is close in difficulty with CSU.

Coastal's schedule isn't a crushing gauntlet, but playing 7 full scholarship FCS teams is more challenging than what we have done. We played UNC (clearly better than anyone on CCU's schedule), but then played three weeks of low competition before Indiana State (and it is yet to be determined how good ISU actually is). Right now, all of the teams that Coastal has played are better than Norfolk State, Brevard, and Bryant except Elon, in my opinion. Playing Norfolk State, Brevard, and Bryant really drags our schedule down even with UNC, ISU, Richmond, and App. State.

[BJWilliams]

Let's agree to disagree on this one...I can see the trenches being dug in already

[bluejacket]

Let's agree to disagree on this one...I can see the trenches being dug in already

He made his point in response to my original point and I made my response to his. Its the whole purpose of an online forum. No one is digging trenches in this discussion.

[olldflame]

What's with all the hate for Bryant? They are 4-1 with wins over 2 CAA teams. We are their only loss, and they were actually ranked when we played them. CCU may be 7-0, and yes, they do not have a D2 on their schedule, but let's be honest. Who have they beaten? The Citadel? Furman? Are those teams better than Bryant?

[bluejacket]

Who have they beaten? The Citadel? Furman? Are those teams better than Bryant?

Yes.

[BJWilliams]

Internet forums are about discussion yes, but I can already tell that while both sides have made their point, its showing signs that all that will happen is a bunch of pages where both sides try to reaffirm said points and nobody really "wins"

[olldflame]

Who have they beaten? The Citadel? Furman? Are those teams better than Bryant?

Yes.

What do you base that on? Furman is 2-4 with their only wins against Gardner-Webb and Mercer and losses to Presby and SC State. Citadel has the same record having also beaten G-W as well as Charlotte in a shootout. Their losses aren't as bad as Furmans. Do those 2 programs have a lot more history and tradition of success in FCS than Bryant? No doubt. That doesn't mean they are better this year.

[phoenix]

I'll say it again, maybe the Sun Belt did us a favor by not inviting us. Whether we stay FCS or eventually end up somewhere else, it might have been for the best in the long run.

+1

I kinda look forward to the day when Liberty turns down a Sun Belt offer because C-USA or the MAC has come calling.

[bluejacket]

Internet forums are about discussion yes, but I can already tell that while both sides have made their point, its showing signs that all that will happen is a bunch of pages where both sides try to reaffirm said points and nobody really "wins"

We're on page 3 of the entire thread. This conversation is now equal to mine and Humble_Opinion's. 3 posts does not equal a flame war.

[bluejacket]

What do you base that on? Furman is 2-4 with their only wins against Gardner-Webb and Mercer and losses to Presby and SC State. Citadel has the same record having also beaten G-W as well as Charlotte in a shootout. Their losses aren't as bad as Furmans. Do those 2 programs have a lot more history and tradition of success in FCS than Bryant? No doubt. That doesn't mean they are better this year.

Compare our game against Bryant and our game against Norfolk State. Which one do you think was the better team? I think that it was the Norfolk State team. Which ever way you pick, we would both agree that these teams are very comparable in talent to one another. Also, there is another common opponent that they share to consider: Maine. Bryant won a home game against Maine on homecoming 13-10. Norfolk State lost at Maine 6-10. Anything can happen on any given Saturday, but we could reasonably determine that they are very comparable to one another.

Now, Norfolk State is struggling with the mid/bottom level teams in the MEAC: Savannah State, Delaware State, Morgan State. NSU has not had any significant injuries or key players missing game time that I can tell. Bryant has only played five games and they are pretty healthy as well from what I can tell. The two teams remain very comparable.

Coastal played a close game against NC A&T, but they destroyed the other MEAC teams (NC A&T and SCSU are better than NSU; SCSU beat NC A&T 13-0). Coastal beat The Citadel handily, but it took two overtimes to beat Furman and PC kept the game within 12 points almost the entire game. Furman, Presbyterian, Western Carolina, The Citadel, and Gardner-Webb are virtually impossible to rank even though they have played each other a few times and share common opponents. I won't even try.

So, if I were ranking the teams as of this moment it goes Coastal>SoCon/Big South teams>NC A&T/SCSU>Norfolk State/Bryant>FAMU.

One correction: I forgot FAMU in the other post (probably because of the 48-3 beating against Coastal); I would say FAMU and Elon are worse than Norfolk State and Bryant.

Of course much of this is splitting hairs and will all change again after this weekend.