[JK37]

Legacy? Seriously?!

[bluejacket]

A very fair point jon...I do wonder how this affects his legacy, especially if we miss the playoffs

Are you serious?!?!

[SuperJon]

How what effects what legacy? He's a junior with one shared conference championship. We can talk legacy if he can lead us to two complete championships. Only one QB has ever done that.

[BJWilliams]

Really its a question of will he be remembered as a good quarterback who put up good numbers and led us to some championships, or a great quarterback who took us to the "promised land" and took us from being good to being elite

[bluejacket]

Really its a question of will he be remembered as a good quarterback who put up good numbers and led us to some championships, or a great quarterback who took us to the "promised land" and took us from being good to being elite

Woodrum still has the rest of this season and his senior year and you want to talk legacy...... The guy has two shared conference championships and quarterbacked the team that defeated the highest ranked FCS opponent in school history as a freshman (he was the only one doing anything on offense that day).

There are valid criticisms of Woodrum. He still stares receivers down too much, turns the ball over too much (both interceptions against UNC were his fault), and needs work on his accuracy and timing. But legacy talk and calling for Masha to take game snaps is completely unfair and unnecessary right now. How about pointing some criticism against our number #1 receiver for losing two fumbles, the receivers for dropping several balls that could have been caught, or the Big South freshman of the week for losing two fumbles? There are some legitimate concerns about Woodrum, but he is not our main problem on offense.

[bluejacket]

He needs better, less predictable play calling to live up to his potential though.

Amen.

[R i]

The Offensive Coordinator said in game week interviews the we would be pretty limited in play calling against UNC. He said, to make up for talent deficiancies sometimes its better to stick to what you do really well as an offense in games that you may be over matched.

[bluejacket]

There were times where we were creative and moved the ball well on offense. The rest of the time was predicable play calling, not playing to our strengths or masking deficiencies.

Usually, our playcalling goes like this. 1st down: Run and get stopped for one yard or less or throw an incompletion. 2nd down: usually a short run or we throw the RB screen/flare route for a very short gain or loss. 3rd down: short pass that ends up around 4th and 4 or we throw a deep ball to Peterson/Shells that falls incomplete. Sometimes it works, but most of the time it doesn't.

[jcmanson]

Liberty opens as a 16 point favorite.

[LUalum12]

Woodrum is legit. He will be remembered as the QB that led the Flame Train to the playoffs for the very first time. Mark it down God's will of course we will make the playoffs this year. Then all the naysayers all the doubters will have to eat crow

[ludlpstudent]

well stated I believe your correct. This is our year and it starts with a Norfolk St. victory.

[JakeP50]

Woodrum is legit. He will be remembered as the QB that led the Flame Train to the playoffs for the very first time. Mark it down God's will of course we will make the playoffs this year. Then all the naysayers all the doubters will have to eat crow

WOOOOOO!!!! POSITIVE OUTLOOKS! Sorry about that I'm just tired of all the negativity, not necessarily on here, but some of the students on campus who don't understand how the sub-divisions of Division 1 actually work.

[flameshaw]

Josh is a good QB, he has proven himself and is a stalwart on the offense. I still believe it is a good idea to change up the offense a bit every now and then with a dual threat QB. It may just keep the opposition on their heels and make our opponents prepare for more than one look. When Josh graduates, I would really like to see us go to an option offense full time. Not the Georgia Southern option, too boring, but the offense App State ran the couple of years they won the National title.

[SuperJon]

Woodrum is legit. He will be remembered as the QB that led the Flame Train to the playoffs for the very first time. Mark it down God's will of course we will make the playoffs this year. Then all the naysayers all the doubters will have to eat crow

You have 18 posts. We don't expect you to be jaded like the rest of it.

As it stands, Woodrum is the fourth best quarterback in the modern era of Liberty Football*. That doesn't mean he's bad, but he hasn't shown anything to make us think he's anything special yet.

(*Note: there have only been four quarterbacks in the modern era of Liberty Football.)

[BJWilliams]

Woodrum is a good QB (you dont throw for almost 4,000 yards in two years if youre a bad QB)...what I was basically asking is, will he remain just another "good quarterback", joining the ranks of Brock Smith, Mike Brown and Tommy Beecher, or will he, over the next 22 games, take that step from "Good 2 Great" and take Liberty to a level of prominence they have not experienced in the previous 40 seasons of football?

Also, I do agree with Jon that he is about 3rd in line for QBs since the start of the 2006 season

[SuperJon]

I didn't want to just throw out an outlandish statement without backing it up. I've looked up the stats of the four QBs in the modern era in their 2nd year as the starter (except for Beecher since he was just here one year). I'll edit my statement to say Woodrum is much better than Beecher. I didn't realize Beecher was as bad as he was statistically. Makes you wonder what we could've done with Mike at QB that year like a lot of us wanted.

If you sort by QB efficiency, it goes:

1) Brock
2) Mike
3) Josh

If you sort by completion percentage:

1) Mike
2) Brock
3) Josh

If you sort by pass yards:

1) Mike
2) Brock
3) Josh

If you sort by total TDs:

1) Mike
2) Josh
3) Brock

If you sort by INTs:

1) Brock
2) Josh
3) Mike

When you average it out, it comes to:

Mike - 1.6
Brock - 1.8
Josh - 2.6

The crazy thing with the stats is Mike only played 10 games in his second year and still had more TDs, INTs, and yards.

Here's where I'll give Josh a little slack: he doesn't have the receiving corps anywhere close to what Brock had and not even as good as Mike had. He also hasn't had anywhere close to the running backs Brock had. The talent around him hasn't been as good as the talent Brock/Mike were surrounded by.

Josh has the potential to do something good, or even great. He's one game into his junior year. He needs to take the leap that most great players take to get there, but he has the skill set to do it.

[VAGolf]

Doesn't Josh also play in a completely different offense?

[SuperJon]

All three of them played in completely different offenses.

[BJWilliams]

Josh has some amazing skills. He showed that at Cave Spring...if he can be the Josh Woodrum that threw for over 1,000 yards and had two 300 yard totals in a 4 game span and not the one that struggled down in Myrtle Beach and has thrown some killer interceptions the last two years he will take that leap

[VAGolf]

All three of them played in completely different offenses.

Then what is the point of comparing stats?

[SuperJon]

Stats are comparable in different systems. It's not like we went from triple option to air raid. All three systems were different but they were similar enough to compare.

[VAGolf]

Stats are comparable in different systems. It's not like we went from triple option to air raid. All three systems were different but they were similar enough to compare.

I don't think you can compare quarterbacks from different coaches, even if they are in the same system, much less quarterbacks from different systems. One coach can make an average quarterback look great, while another can make great quarterbacks look average.

On top of that, Mike, Brock and Josh don't even play similar to each other. Mike Brown had trouble throwing 40 yard passes, but he could get out of the pocket quickly. Josh likes sitting the pocket and throwing bullets. Brock was a bit more balanced if I remember correctly.

I could keep going but my point is that you can't compare these quarterbacks. They play completely different and they had different coaches and different systems.

Josh didn't play great on Saturday, but I'm sensing a lot of unwarranted disappointment. It was the first game of the season and it was against a team good enough to win the ACC.

[Sly Fox]

Modern era?

[SuperJon]

You can compare output and results.

The beauty of this is that Mike and Brock were both seniors in their second year. Josh is a junior. He has plenty of time to improve and prove us wrong and he has the talent to do it. Our future this year and next is completely dependent on his development.

[SuperJon]

Modern era?

06 to now. Also known as the Money Era. Anything after Black Tuesday is the Modern Era of Liberty Athletics.