[matshark]

http://mobile.rawstory.com/all/2014-06- ... beer-can#1

So it looks like this Chuck South professor got fired because a beer company used his likeness (including his very epic beard and mustache unbeknownst to him as the design on one of its beer cans. From what i can gather, he has no ties to the company, didnt know they were going to use it, and is getting no compensation for them using it. But apparently that's not enough for Chuck South, which decided to fire him for, well, some reason that nobody's really sure of. I mean, can you imagine if he'd done somethibg way off the reservation like try and make money off of selling degrees online in affiliation with near apostate denominations of christianity? Wowzers.

[Purple Haize]

http://mobile.rawstory.com/all/2014-06- ... beer-can#1

So it looks like this Chuck South professor got fired because a beer company used his likeness (including his very epic beard and mustache unbeknownst to him as the design on one of its beer cans. From what i can gather, he has no ties to the company, didnt know they were going to use it, and is getting no compensation for them using it. But apparently that's not enough for Chuck South, which decided to fire him for, well, some reason that nobody's really sure of. I mean, can you imagine if he'd done somethibg way off the reservation like try and make money off of selling degrees online in affiliation with near apostate denominations of christianity? Wowzers.

Maybe the lesser the transgression the greater the punishment ?

[ATrain]

http://mobile.rawstory.com/all/2014-06- ... beer-can#1

So it looks like this Chuck South professor got fired because a beer company used his likeness (including his very epic beard and mustache unbeknownst to him as the design on one of its beer cans. From what i can gather, he has no ties to the company, didnt know they were going to use it, and is getting no compensation for them using it. But apparently that's not enough for Chuck South, which decided to fire him for, well, some reason that nobody's really sure of. I mean, can you imagine if he'd done somethibg way off the reservation like try and make money off of selling degrees online in affiliation with near apostate denominations of christianity? Wowzers.

Maybe the lesser the transgression the greater the punishment ?

Maybe I should start a craft beer company and use Godwin's picture. "Liberty Brew," has a nice ring to it

*Disclaimer: I have no intention of actually doing this. Just making a joke.

[VAGolf]

The Southern Baptist obsession with alcohol is just getting insane. I just don't understand how some churches won't even let you serve in the church if you so much as drink a glass of wine with dinner, yet half of the deacons and the pastor are obese. Granted, every church/denomination has its faults but this particular issue is just getting embarrassing. People do realize that Jesus turned WATER into WINE, right? Jesus drank wine. If Jesus were on earth today, half of the SBC wouldn't want Jesus to serve because he drinks wine. Sorry for the rant, but this is about the dumbest thing that I've ever seen.

[Dr. Sheh]

The Southern Baptist obsession with alcohol is just getting insane. I just don't understand how some churches won't even let you serve in the church if you so much as drink a glass of wine with dinner, yet half of the deacons and the pastor are obese. Granted, every church/denomination has its faults but this particular issue is just getting embarrassing. People do realize that Jesus turned WATER into WINE, right? Jesus drank wine. If Jesus were on earth today, half of the SBC wouldn't want Jesus to serve because he drinks wine. Sorry for the rant, but this is about the dumbest thing that I've ever seen.

When I was in 8th Grade, I had a teacher at Timberlake say that he could make a compelling argument that Jesus turned water into grape juice, not wine, and that Jesus never drank wine. I never heard him make the argument beyond that statement. I chortle audibly.

[ATrain]

I've actually heard quite a few make the argument that it wasn't "fermented," and use cultural traditions, context, etc...to justify that the wine had no alcohol content. People will try to twist and turn anything in the Bible to fit their perspective. You see it in this argument, with female preachers/leaders in the church, homosexuality, total immersion v. sprinkling baptism, etc...

[Purple Haize]

I've actually heard quite a few make the argument that it wasn't "fermented," and use cultural traditions, context, etc...to justify that the wine had no alcohol content. People will try to twist and turn anything in the Bible to fit their perspective. You see it in this argument, with female preachers/leaders in the church, homosexuality, total immersion v. sprinkling baptism, etc...

The irony..

[ATrain]

I've actually heard quite a few make the argument that it wasn't "fermented," and use cultural traditions, context, etc...to justify that the wine had no alcohol content. People will try to twist and turn anything in the Bible to fit their perspective. You see it in this argument, with female preachers/leaders in the church, homosexuality, total immersion v. sprinkling baptism, etc...

The irony..

Exactly my point

You look at it on the surface and it says one thing...you dig deeper and it can have an entirely different meaning. Historically people have used the Bible in (or out) of context to justify various things...slavery (the SBC was founded, in part, on the belief that slavery was Biblicalhttp://www.baptisthistory.org/sbaptistbeginnings.htm ), discrimination (gender, racial, etc...) and the sun going around the earth.

[jbock13]

The problem we most have today is that people have no idea why they believe what they believe. Then, they get all offended when they are questioned on it. I find in life I care more about how someone comes to their conclusion, rather than what their opinion is.

[ALUmnus]

I've actually heard quite a few make the argument that it wasn't "fermented," and use cultural traditions, context, etc...to justify that the wine had no alcohol content. People will try to twist and turn anything in the Bible to fit their perspective. You see it in this argument, with female preachers/leaders in the church, homosexuality, total immersion v. sprinkling baptism, etc...

The irony..

Exactly my point

You look at it on the surface and it says one thing...you dig deeper and it can have an entirely different meaning. Historically people have used the Bible in (or out) of context to justify various things...slavery (the SBC was founded, in part, on the belief that slavery was Biblicalhttp://www.baptisthistory.org/sbaptistbeginnings.htm ), discrimination (gender, racial, etc...) and the sun going around the earth.

Huh, so your strawmen have souls of myth. It's fitting, I guess.

Same with the whole "obesity" deflection, when are we ever going to see that one die out?

[ATrain]

Don't get the analogy, but if you want to ignore thousands of years of church history and assume we've gotten everything right roughly 2000 years removed from when Jesus walked the earth, go ahead. Just remember what assuming does my friend.
Peace

[ALUmnus]

but if you want to ignore thousands of years of church history

Let me quote Purple: "the irony"

[olldflame]

I hope this guy can get a good lawyer and sue the beer company for every peso they have. They STEAL his image and use it for profit, and it ends up costing him his job. While he is at it, he may want to go after CSU. Their short-sighted knee jerk reaction to the situation is quite frankly hard to comprehend. Just based on appearance, it's not a stretch to think he is somewhat of an eccentric. I'm wondering if the school already had some issues with him and saw this as a convenient excuse to show him the door.

[JK37]

I personally do not drink alcohol. Ever. At all. And to be in your 20's and make that statement to co-workers (especially at. Catholic university), is to earn a response akin to having four heads. But I get that.

The most compelling argument made to me was Solomon's edict in Proverbs to not even look at wine once it's fermented. And d the wisest guy to ever live days so...

Also, the Bible does speak about everything we do bringing glory to God and being for benefit of His kingdom. Aside for medicinal reasons, what GOOD does consuming alcohol bring? Aren't we talking about something that alleviates control of physical and mental faculties? Beyond the right/wrong question, why would anyone want it? I've just never understood the choice.

I choose not to consume alcohol recreationally. But I've never convinced someone who does that they're wrong. And I don't try. It's a hard issue to prove. If we can agre the Bible is clear on the sinfulness of drunkenness, why tiptoe to the line you're not supposed to cross.

[WinthropEagleFan]

Living in the Charleston area, I've been intrigued by this story...

http://www.charlestoncitypaper.com/char ... id=4930778

Sounds like even though he didn't 'allow' Holy City to use his image, he has no issue with it, so I don't think he's going to go after them (at least as of now).

And if the information in the article is true, it sounds like he recently got promoted and had the support of his department head. But who knows how accurate that is without having CSU's side of the story.

[WinthropEagleFan]

I missed it before, but Paul Roof commented directly on Holy City Brewing's Facebook page regarding the issue in general and whether or not he HCB had his permission to use the image or not:

"Amber please see my public post on this topic as first media reports were incorrect. I do not own the image, I do not receive compensation from the image, I saw the pre production image and was fine with it, and the beer has been a great tool to raise money for the charity. I believe in America and free enterprise and HCB is a wonderful local community based business"

and

" I support Chris and the brewery and it is the highest honor to be on the can"

So I don't think he has any issues with the Brewery.

[Cider Jim]

it's not a stretch to think he is somewhat of an eccentric.

Eccentric professors? Say it ain't so! Another unfounded stereotype.

[adam42381]

I personally do not drink alcohol. Ever. At all. And to be in your 20's and make that statement to co-workers (especially at. Catholic university), is to earn a response akin to having four heads. But I get that.

The most compelling argument made to me was Solomon's edict in Proverbs to not even look at wine once it's fermented. And d the wisest guy to ever live days so...

Also, the Bible does speak about everything we do bringing glory to God and being for benefit of His kingdom. Aside for medicinal reasons, what GOOD does consuming alcohol bring? Aren't we talking about something that alleviates control of physical and mental faculties? Beyond the right/wrong question, why would anyone want it? I've just never understood the choice.

I choose not to consume alcohol recreationally. But I've never convinced someone who does that they're wrong. And I don't try. It's a hard issue to prove. If we can agre the Bible is clear on the sinfulness of drunkenness, why tiptoe to the line you're not supposed to cross.

Jesus drank wine.

[4everfsu]

I personally do not drink alcohol. Ever. At all. And to be in your 20's and make that statement to co-workers (especially at. Catholic university), is to earn a response akin to having four heads. But I get that.

The most compelling argument made to me was Solomon's edict in Proverbs to not even look at wine once it's fermented. And d the wisest guy to ever live days so...

Also, the Bible does speak about everything we do bringing glory to God and being for benefit of His kingdom. Aside for medicinal reasons, what GOOD does consuming alcohol bring? Aren't we talking about something that alleviates control of physical and mental faculties? Beyond the right/wrong question, why would anyone want it? I've just never understood the choice.

I choose not to consume alcohol recreationally. But I've never convinced someone who does that they're wrong. And I don't try. It's a hard issue to prove. If we can agre the Bible is clear on the sinfulness of drunkenness, why tiptoe to the line you're not supposed to cross.

Jesus drank wine.

And as my bible professor at LBC said when asked would he drink wine. Sure if you can make it out of water , he replied.

[rogers3]

I choose not to consume alcohol recreationally. But I've never convinced someone who does that they're wrong. And I don't try. It's a hard issue to prove. If we can agre the Bible is clear on the sinfulness of drunkenness, why tiptoe to the line you're not supposed to cross.

It is hard to prove because it can't be proven. Drinking a beer with a meal is no different than having a coffee or a can of Coke with your meal. It could be argued that the Coke is "more of a sin" because it has chemicals that negatively affect the body (you know, the temple). I have heard people say that they are turned off by Christianity due to idiotic piety, but I've never heard them say that the consumption of a beer or a glass of wine has turned them off. Of course, using your argument, you should abstain from many things... maybe get fed intravenously and wear eye patches. Almost everything we do has a line to cross; the issue is moderation. Even wise old Solomon realized this, he of 700 wives. Fundamentalism and Legalism have been the downfall of many a family- after being around LU and TRBC for years, I've seen plenty of harm come from both and I have also seen how they promote both pharisaical and hypocritical individuals.

[Purple Haize]

I personally do not drink alcohol. Ever. At all. And to be in your 20's and make that statement to co-workers (especially at. Catholic university), is to earn a response akin to having four heads. But I get that.

The most compelling argument made to me was Solomon's edict in Proverbs to not even look at wine once it's fermented. And d the wisest guy to ever live days so...

Also, the Bible does speak about everything we do bringing glory to God and being for benefit of His kingdom. Aside for medicinal reasons, what GOOD does consuming alcohol bring? Aren't we talking about something that alleviates control of physical and mental faculties? Beyond the right/wrong question, why would anyone want it? I've just never understood the choice.

I choose not to consume alcohol recreationally. But I've never convinced someone who does that they're wrong. And I don't try. It's a hard issue to prove. If we can agre the Bible is clear on the sinfulness of drunkenness, why tiptoe to the line you're not supposed to cross.

Jesus drank wine.

And as my bible professor at LBC said when asked would he drink wine. Sure if you can make it out of water , he replied.

So he was a Barltes and James fan.
'thank you for your support'. Great commercials!

[alabama24]

The most compelling argument made to me was Solomon's edict in Proverbs to not even look at wine once it's fermented. And d the wisest guy to ever live days so...

Jesus turned water into wine. That is the most compelling argument against your position.

[thepostman]

Seems trivial compared to some of the high level people within liberty have done, but whatever.

As far as the alcohol debate, it is a tired debate and not something that is a simple black and white answer. We, as Christians, shouldn't get drunk but having a drink or two is fine as far as I can tell. As for myself, I avoid it simply because past experience has proven that 'one beer' quickly turns into 10-12 beers. So I have learned it is just best I never start with 'just on' but not everybody is like that. We all struggle with different things. Some people can watch certain movies and not cause them any issue, some can't. There are so many examples of that but I think the point is we need to know our limits and need to stay within those.

Happy Sunday! haha

[JK37]

Does Scripture say for certain that Jesus drank wine? I know he turned water into wine.

Also, is it even remotely possible that what the Bible calls wine may no be the same thing as what we call wine today? Of course it's possible. So this isn't as black and white as simply saying, "Jesus drank wine," or, "Jesus turned water into wine."

Just saying.

[ATrain]

Well if meant something else, why didn't the translators of the Bible into English use the words grape juice (or nectar) instead of wine? They had other options by the time King Jimmy ordered the Bible translated into English.