[VAGolf]

Pioneer is a non-scholarship league.

Ah, I thought that was Patriot. My bad.

Never mind then, carry on.

[olldflame]

Pioneer is a non-scholarship league.

Ah, I thought that was Patriot. My bad.

Never mind then, carry on.

It is. Patriot and Pioneer are both non-scholarship FCS leagues.

[BJWilliams]

Patriot is moving toward scholarship football I believe (year 1 or 2 of that I think)

[Sly Fox]

Sort of. They are taking a mixed needs-based/scholarship model in order to keep Fordham from bolting and Holy Cross from following them out the door. They are far from opening up the scholarship floodgates like the Big South and most other competitive FCS leagues.

[JakeP50]

I still like the CAA if we cant move up to FBS, same travel distances as the Big South,maybe closer, more TV exposure and conference basketball tournament in a major city. With LFSN and their connection with MASN and the CAA signing a 10 year contract with CSN Baltimore that's only in its first year we get HUGE TV exposure in the football and basketball talent loaded Baltimore/DC area. If the Sun Belt doesn't invite us and the CAA will take us I really like this move.

[LUaddict]

I still like the CAA if we cant move up to FBS, same travel distances as the Big South,maybe closer, more TV exposure and conference basketball tournament in a major city. With LFSN and their connection with MASN and the CAA signing a 10 year contract with CSN Baltimore that's only in its first year we get HUGE TV exposure in the football and basketball talent loaded Baltimore/DC area. If the Sun Belt doesn't invite us and the CAA will take us I really like this move.

I like the CAA if we stay FCS, but they won't take us. If the majority of Sun Belt posters are any indication of the reservations the Sun Belt Presidents have about us, it's clearly that the Presidents are not too keen on LU joining, if not we would have been invited to the SunBelt now.

JMU has a better academic profile than us for many reasons, whether we like it or not its true. Therefore they are in conference with similar demographics, missions, and academic profiles, meaning they are in a conference that are their academic peers, meaning the CAA.

If the Sun Belt hasn't taken us, and they have an academic profile that is perceived inferior to the CAA's, the CAA is sure as heck not going to invite us. They will invite coastal before us. And Coastal would love to be in the CAA, who's knows what is going to happen. CAA is not going to invite us.

The Sun Belt is waiting on JMU,if and when JMU denies the Sun Belt, the Sun Belt is going to be looking at everyone else but Liberty. Until the Sun Belt exhaust all of their options, they might consider taking us. They will stay pat at 11 football schools until there is a like minded viable option for the Sun Belt, or until Liberty changes some issues the belt schools feel they would not want to support by merely being associated with us in the same conference.

In my honest opinion, either we change our practices, issues, and stances that are perceived to be offensive by other public institutions such as public state universities, we will never get invited openly to an FBS comference. We all know they university supporters, donors, students, and administration would rather not change anythig that makes seems to be bending to the will of of others just so were accepted, it may make our institution look like we are not a true Christian university. We would rather stay out than change our stances.

I feel that we won't be able to change our image as a caustic, discriminatory, and hateful institution for a long time because of the PR blunders that JF senior has stated. This will continue to haunt us for years to come and it still has had it's effects but the general population, not just the liberal media. We need to have more open admissions standards and be more welcoming of other creed, religions, and other minorities regardless of what makes them a minority. We need a more loving approach, open and inclusive stance. Not focused on myopic political and religious issues, but issues that pertain to students and education, since Liberty is a university.

Not getting invited and our rejection by the general public goes deeper than most people notice or would like to admit. It is years of mistake are difficult to undo. I say this as an alum that as an alum that would lie to see Liberty's university prestige and academic profile be lifted not just university for Christians or proselytizing religious organization, but as a university that open welcomes others, and makes us feel like they are welcome to attend our university. It's one to to say that we welcome e other, it's another to make others feel like they are welcome to attend here regardless whether they are catholic, Muslim, Protestant, Buddhist, or openly gay.

I say this as an alum who want the best for the university, I want FBS just as bad the next person. It just won't happen with the current perception and state of affairs that Liberty is currently is viewed under. Let the vitriol and negative statements come my way for being honest, if I can't be honest with my fellow alums, than its unfortunate

Off my soapbox now, speak to you guys later.

[michaeleyou]

In my honest opinion, either we change our practices, issues, and stances that are perceived to be offensive by other public institutions such as public state universities, we will never get invited openly to an FBS comference. We all know they university supporters, donors, students, and administration would rather not change anythig that makes seems to be bending to the will of of others just so were accepted, it may make our institution look like we are not a true Christian university. We would rather stay out than change our stances.

I feel that we won't be able to change our image as a caustic, discriminatory, and hateful institution for a long time because of the PR blunders that JF senior has stated. This will continue to haunt us for years to come and it still has had it's effects but the general population, not just the liberal media. We need to have more open admissions standards and be more welcoming of other creed, religions, and other minorities regardless of what makes them a minority. We need a more loving approach, open and inclusive stance. Not focused on myopic political and religious issues, but issues that pertain to students and education, since Liberty is a university.

Not getting invited and our rejection by the general public goes deeper than most people notice or would like to admit. It is years of mistake are difficult to undo. I say this as an alum that as an alum that would lie to see Liberty's university prestige and academic profile be lifted not just university for Christians or proselytizing religious organization, but as a university that open welcomes others, and makes us feel like they are welcome to attend our university. It's one to to say that we welcome e other, it's another to make others feel like they are welcome to attend here regardless whether they are catholic, Muslim, Protestant, Buddhist, or openly gay.

I say this as an alum who want the best for the university, I want FBS just as bad the next person. It just won't happen with the current perception and state of affairs that Liberty is currently is viewed under. Let the vitriol and negative statements come my way for being honest, if I can't be honest with my fellow alums, than its unfortunate

Off my soapbox now, speak to you guys later.

Gee, lets forget that we are NOT a Catholic, Muslim, or Buddist university, so others will like us and we can become FBS. Lets forget that we ARE a Baptist University that began out of Baptist church, so others will like us and we can become FBS. Lets throw out all that Christian talk, and all those biblical principles, so others will like us and we can become FBS. Lets change that perception out there that we are different than all the State schools by becoming just like them.

I too am an alum. I attended Liberty because of what it stood for then. I sent my oldest daughter to Liberty because of what it stands for now. And will be sending my youngest daughter there soon, as long as those standards remain. We don't need to become what the world wants us to be just so we can become FBS.

Yes, there are those out there who don't like Liberty and what it stands for. But there are many of us who support it because of those same reasons. Don't overlook the fact that it is one of the fastest growing schools in America. That it's dorms are full and more are being built to house the others wanting to attend. There are many who love Liberty, just like it is. We need to be who we are and wait for the right opportunity. Not change to become just like everyone else. Liberty is special. And my prayer will continue to be that it remains the conservative institution that it has been as we move forward.

[4everfsu]

In my honest opinion, either we change our practices, issues, and stances that are perceived to be offensive by other public institutions such as public state universities, we will never get invited openly to an FBS comference. We all know they university supporters, donors, students, and administration would rather not change anythig that makes seems to be bending to the will of of others just so were accepted, it may make our institution look like we are not a true Christian university. We would rather stay out than change our stances.

I feel that we won't be able to change our image as a caustic, discriminatory, and hateful institution for a long time because of the PR blunders that JF senior has stated. This will continue to haunt us for years to come and it still has had it's effects but the general population, not just the liberal media. We need to have more open admissions standards and be more welcoming of other creed, religions, and other minorities regardless of what makes them a minority. We need a more loving approach, open and inclusive stance. Not focused on myopic political and religious issues, but issues that pertain to students and education, since Liberty is a university.

Not getting invited and our rejection by the general public goes deeper than most people notice or would like to admit. It is years of mistake are difficult to undo. I say this as an alum that as an alum that would lie to see Liberty's university prestige and academic profile be lifted not just university for Christians or proselytizing religious organization, but as a university that open welcomes others, and makes us feel like they are welcome to attend our university. It's one to to say that we welcome e other, it's another to make others feel like they are welcome to attend here regardless whether they are catholic, Muslim, Protestant, Buddhist, or openly gay.

I say this as an alum who want the best for the university, I want FBS just as bad the next person. It just won't happen with the current perception and state of affairs that Liberty is currently is viewed under. Let the vitriol and negative statements come my way for being honest, if I can't be honest with my fellow alums, than its unfortunate

Off my soapbox now, speak to you guys later.

Gee, lets forget that we are NOT a Catholic, Muslim, or Buddist university, so others will like us and we can become FBS. Lets forget that we ARE a Baptist University that began out of Baptist church, so others will like us and we can become FBS. Lets throw out all that Christian talk, and all those biblical principles, so others will like us and we can become FBS. Lets change that perception out there that we are different than all the State schools by becoming just like them.

I too am an alum. I attended Liberty because of what it stood for then. I sent my oldest daughter to Liberty because of what it stands for now. And will be sending my youngest daughter there soon, as long as those standards remain. We don't need to become what the world wants us to be just so we can become FBS.

Yes, there are those out there who don't like Liberty and what it stands for. But there are many of us who support it because of those same reasons. Don't overlook the fact that it is one of the fastest growing schools in America. That it's dorms are full and more are being built to house the others wanting to attend. There are many who love Liberty, just like it is. We need to be who we are and wait for the right opportunity. Not change to become just like everyone else. Liberty is special. And my prayer will continue to be that it remains the conservative institution that it has been as we move forward.

+1

[LUaddict]

Gee, lets forget that we are NOT a Catholic, Muslim, or Buddist university, so others will like us and we can become FBS. Lets forget that we ARE a Baptist University that began out of Baptist church, so others will like us and we can become FBS. Lets throw out all that Christian talk, and all those biblical principles, so others will like us and we can become FBS. Lets change that perception out there that we are different than all the State schools by becoming just like them.

I too am an alum. I attended Liberty because of what it stood for then. I sent my oldest daughter to Liberty because of what it stands for now. And will be sending my youngest daughter there soon, as long as those standards remain. We don't need to become what the world wants us to be just so we can become FBS.

Yes, there are those out there who don't like Liberty and what it stands for. But there are many of us who support it because of those same reasons. Don't overlook the fact that it is one of the fastest growing schools in America. That it's dorms are full and more are being built to house the others wanting to attend. There are many who love Liberty, just like it is. We need to be who we are and wait for the right opportunity. Not change to become just like everyone else. Liberty is special. And my prayer will continue to be that it remains the conservative institution that it has been as we move forward.

I don't think that we have to change our core principals as a christian institution, I feel that we can deliver our christian mission from a loving, kind, and nonjudgmental perspective. We do have to change the fact that it has a baptist past, affiliation, or mission. We can be more open to others, accepting of who they are, love the sinner.

"For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but to SAVE the world through Him." – John 3:17

I am happy for you, that your children and yourself have or are attending LU for its principles and core conservative beliefs. I feel the university can be christian, without the vocal judgement of others. I feel that is it not appropriate for espouse others publicly, especially those that are affiliated with the university as an employee.

If Liberty wants to want an FBS invite, it has done everything in its power to be ready for the jump, but it is not just an affiliation from a sports perspective, it is also an academic affiliation. If we want he Sun Belt or any other conference for that matter to wants to be associated with us as conference partner, Liberty has a lot of back channeling to do from a PR perspective, if we want to be in an FBS conference.

If we don't, we will never we FBS, and we will stagnate in the FCS. If the university has a mission of FBS, these are some of the things that we need to work, especially if we want to be a national university. There are many schools that are very Christian and conservative, and do not have the major PR issues that we have, and have a better academic profiles as well. If we had the image, with our facilities, and ambition, we have endless possibilities through Christ, and what he can do with our university.

Just because it is a one of the fastest growing universities, does not mean we can't improve our academic programs, profile, and political posturing, and open judgement of the LGBT community through Staver. That Staver public vocal judgement needs to stop, if we are going to be taken seriously.

The schools that I mentioned are BIOLA, Azusa Pacific, Westmont College, Wheaton College, and Abilene Christian. There is a big pink elephant in the room, part of that elephant is our reputation and image. That needs to change, especially the stupid political posturing, this is not the republican party, it is a Christian University.

[flameshaw]

We can and will get a FBS invite when the time is right, without changing anything. It may come tomorrow and it may be 10 years from now. Sounds like Jr. and the rest of the administration are doing the things we need to do to increase our profile in the sports community.
I am a firm believer that the more people we can get on campus, the better our chances become.

[SuperJon]

In my honest opinion, either we change our practices, issues, and stances that are perceived to be offensive by other public institutions such as public state universities, we will never get invited openly to an FBS comference. We all know they university supporters, donors, students, and administration would rather not change anythig that makes seems to be bending to the will of of others just so were accepted, it may make our institution look like we are not a true Christian university. We would rather stay out than change our stances.

I feel that we won't be able to change our image as a caustic, discriminatory, and hateful institution for a long time because of the PR blunders that JF senior has stated. This will continue to haunt us for years to come and it still has had it's effects but the general population, not just the liberal media. We need to have more open admissions standards and be more welcoming of other creed, religions, and other minorities regardless of what makes them a minority. We need a more loving approach, open and inclusive stance. Not focused on myopic political and religious issues, but issues that pertain to students and education, since Liberty is a university.

Not getting invited and our rejection by the general public goes deeper than most people notice or would like to admit. It is years of mistake are difficult to undo. I say this as an alum that as an alum that would lie to see Liberty's university prestige and academic profile be lifted not just university for Christians or proselytizing religious organization, but as a university that open welcomes others, and makes us feel like they are welcome to attend our university. It's one to to say that we welcome e other, it's another to make others feel like they are welcome to attend here regardless whether they are catholic, Muslim, Protestant, Buddhist, or openly gay.

I say this as an alum who want the best for the university, I want FBS just as bad the next person. It just won't happen with the current perception and state of affairs that Liberty is currently is viewed under. Let the vitriol and negative statements come my way for being honest, if I can't be honest with my fellow alums, than its unfortunate

Off my soapbox now, speak to you guys later.

Or you take a breathe, walk away from the ledge, and let the process play itself out. Through the process that our administration is going through, we're only a couple of votes away from getting enough votes to be accept. Chill out.

[flamesfilmguy]

Gee, lets forget that we are NOT a Catholic, Muslim, or Buddist university, so others will like us and we can become FBS. Lets forget that we ARE a Baptist University that began out of Baptist church, so others will like us and we can become FBS. Lets throw out all that Christian talk, and all those biblical principles, so others will like us and we can become FBS. Lets change that perception out there that we are different than all the State schools by becoming just like them.

I too am an alum. I attended Liberty because of what it stood for then. I sent my oldest daughter to Liberty because of what it stands for now. And will be sending my youngest daughter there soon, as long as those standards remain. We don't need to become what the world wants us to be just so we can become FBS.

Yes, there are those out there who don't like Liberty and what it stands for. But there are many of us who support it because of those same reasons. Don't overlook the fact that it is one of the fastest growing schools in America. That it's dorms are full and more are being built to house the others wanting to attend. There are many who love Liberty, just like it is. We need to be who we are and wait for the right opportunity. Not change to become just like everyone else. Liberty is special. And my prayer will continue to be that it remains the conservative institution that it has been as we move forward.

I don't think that we have to change our core principals as a christian institution, I feel that we can deliver our christian mission from a loving, kind, and nonjudgmental perspective. We do have to change the fact that it has a baptist past, affiliation, or mission. We can be more open to others, accepting of who they are, love the sinner.

"For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but to SAVE the world through Him." – John 3:17

I am happy for you, that your children and yourself have or are attending LU for its principles and core conservative beliefs. I feel the university can be christian, without the vocal judgement of others. I feel that is it not appropriate for espouse others publicly, especially those that are affiliated with the university as an employee.

If Liberty wants to want an FBS invite, it has done everything in its power to be ready for the jump, but it is not just an affiliation from a sports perspective, it is also an academic affiliation. If we want he Sun Belt or any other conference for that matter to wants to be associated with us as conference partner, Liberty has a lot of back channeling to do from a PR perspective, if we want to be in an FBS conference.

If we don't, we will never we FBS, and we will stagnate in the FCS. If the university has a mission of FBS, these are some of the things that we need to work, especially if we want to be a national university. There are many schools that are very Christian and conservative, and do not have the major PR issues that we have, and have a better academic profiles as well. If we had the image, with our facilities, and ambition, we have endless possibilities through Christ, and what he can do with our university.

Just because it is a one of the fastest growing universities, does not mean we can't improve our academic programs, profile, and political posturing, and open judgement of the LGBT community through Staver. That Staver public vocal judgement needs to stop, if we are going to be taken seriously.

The schools that I mentioned are BIOLA, Azusa Pacific, Westmont College, Wheaton College, and Abilene Christian. There is a big pink elephant in the room, part of that elephant is our reputation and image. That needs to change, especially the stupid political posturing, this is not the republican party, it is a Christian University.

I reeeeeallllly wanted to stay out of this. but I can't.
you obviously haven't been paying attention to the media and what others have been saying about our university. In fact I believe Atrain will attest to this. The LGBT community and how we are perceived by them is the least of our PR worries. You say we should change our political "posturing" as you call it. Well here's the problem with that. The major problem that most university presidents, media, etc. is what we TEACH in the classroom. Young earth, Creationism, etc. We aren't taken seriously by the academic community because of what we teach. While I will admit most of what the presidents and media don't understand all that is taught at liberty because they haven't attended a science class, Does that mean we need to change what we do as a Bible believing institution to appease the views of others? HECK no. I went to liberty because of its christian values and teachings. Doc said it best "if this place were to ever cease to be a place where the cause for christ becomes secondary to any thing else Burn it to the ground" of course i paraphrased that but you get my point. If we stay FCS and keep our christian values I am completely fine with that. Persecution comes sometimes. Just ask the 33 brothers and sisters in North Korea. Sorry but I can't back down on my beliefs and my alma mater just because a bunch of middle of the road FBS presidents don't like me.

/Rant *Steps off soap box*

[michaeleyou]

Gee, lets forget that we are NOT a Catholic, Muslim, or Buddist university, so others will like us and we can become FBS. Lets forget that we ARE a Baptist University that began out of Baptist church, so others will like us and we can become FBS. Lets throw out all that Christian talk, and all those biblical principles, so others will like us and we can become FBS. Lets change that perception out there that we are different than all the State schools by becoming just like them.

I too am an alum. I attended Liberty because of what it stood for then. I sent my oldest daughter to Liberty because of what it stands for now. And will be sending my youngest daughter there soon, as long as those standards remain. We don't need to become what the world wants us to be just so we can become FBS.

Yes, there are those out there who don't like Liberty and what it stands for. But there are many of us who support it because of those same reasons. Don't overlook the fact that it is one of the fastest growing schools in America. That it's dorms are full and more are being built to house the others wanting to attend. There are many who love Liberty, just like it is. We need to be who we are and wait for the right opportunity. Not change to become just like everyone else. Liberty is special. And my prayer will continue to be that it remains the conservative institution that it has been as we move forward.

I don't think that we have to change our core principals as a christian institution, I feel that we can deliver our christian mission from a loving, kind, and nonjudgmental perspective. We do have to change the fact that it has a baptist past, affiliation, or mission. We can be more open to others, accepting of who they are, love the sinner.

"For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but to SAVE the world through Him." – John 3:17

I am happy for you, that your children and yourself have or are attending LU for its principles and core conservative beliefs. I feel the university can be christian, without the vocal judgement of others. I feel that is it not appropriate for espouse others publicly, especially those that are affiliated with the university as an employee.

If Liberty wants to want an FBS invite, it has done everything in its power to be ready for the jump, but it is not just an affiliation from a sports perspective, it is also an academic affiliation. If we want he Sun Belt or any other conference for that matter to wants to be associated with us as conference partner, Liberty has a lot of back channeling to do from a PR perspective, if we want to be in an FBS conference.

If we don't, we will never we FBS, and we will stagnate in the FCS. If the university has a mission of FBS, these are some of the things that we need to work, especially if we want to be a national university. There are many schools that are very Christian and conservative, and do not have the major PR issues that we have, and have a better academic profiles as well. If we had the image, with our facilities, and ambition, we have endless possibilities through Christ, and what he can do with our university.

Just because it is a one of the fastest growing universities, does not mean we can't improve our academic programs, profile, and political posturing, and open judgement of the LGBT community through Staver. That Staver public vocal judgement needs to stop, if we are going to be taken seriously.

The schools that I mentioned are BIOLA, Azusa Pacific, Westmont College, Wheaton College, and Abilene Christian. There is a big pink elephant in the room, part of that elephant is our reputation and image. That needs to change, especially the stupid political posturing, this is not the republican party, it is a Christian University.

But you are allowing your opinion on these issues to be formed by the arguements made by worldly, probably non-christians. You mentioned the Sunbelt and I feel like alot of your statements come from reading the Sunbelt boards. Yes, there are some on there who HATE us. It's okay. There were those who hated Jesus too. We can't do a complete overhaul of who we are to win over a few haters on the Sunbelt board. I had the opportunity to travel with Dr. Falwell some while at Liberty. There were those who picketed against him. Some who shouted hate filled things at us as we entered buildings. But he always greeted those people with a smile and kind words. Many of the things spoken against Doc are about things that were taken out of context. Did he like to stir the pot at times? Maybe. But he also chose to not bring more attention to things falsely spoken of him. Read Macel Falwell's book about him. It addresses many of those things taken out of context.
I think Liberty is making huge strides under JFJr. I have a friend who is on the local school board. He is also involved with App State. He mentioned to me recently the advancments Liberty was making in their quest to improve acedemics. People are noticing the steady progress we are making.
I'm not busting your chops. I just urge you to take a step back, and realize that we will never be everyones favorite. Nor should we make wholesale changes attempting to be. GO FLAMES!!

[Purple Haize]

We aren't taken seriously as an Academic Institution because we are a teaching University, not a Research University. The number of students in your classroom and Department/School/College is more important than scholarly research and Publications. It's not just that we teach Young Earth Creationism, it's that we have no solid scholar who can espouse the Young Earth view and a lot of LU students and faculty don't agree with it.
We have a Law School run by someone who a lot of people think could trace his lineage directly to Quasimodo and say outrageous things.
When I have friends who are more widely published and respected in their field while teaching at smaller institutions it tells you where Liberty's focus is at. I'm not saying it is right or wrong. But THOSE are the reasons Liberty isn't taken seriously academically.

[JK37]

And I'm perfectly fine with that.

The whole "non-judgmental" tactic is naive at best. Any direct, principled stance is inherently exclusive. And it's that exclusivity that makes progressives squirm, because of the postmodern subjectivism that pervades academia today.

We're EXTREMELY CLOSE at this point, without compromising anything near our core. Why start now?

[CinciFlame]

The only change I would like to see made is Staver being reined in a little. I've followed him long before Tom brought him to everyone's attention on the SB board. Staver needs to show more compassion and the love of Christ. Staver gives Liberty a black eye.

[Purple Haize]

The only change I would like to see made is Staver being reined in a little. I've followed him long before Tom brought him to everyone's attention on the SB board. Staver needs to show more compassion and the love of Christ. Staver gives Liberty a black eye.

I'm sure anyone with half an ounce of sense doesn't need some guy named Tom on a Sports message board to tell them Staver is a jack wagon. He was brought in to make a splash with wild statements. He's done that. People are aware of the a Law School, but he's an empty suit who brings nothing else to the table but inflammatory rhetoric.

[LUaddict]

Like I stated before we do not need to give up our beliefs as a Christian school or compromise the mission of the school. Being we can believe in in our Christian theology, principals, and other dogmas. It is when JF senior and his vitriolic comments that he has made in the past is what is causing us issue. Perception is reality to the rest of the world, and when he was the face of LU he made everyone who either believes in our mission, supports it, or attends the university, that we are a bunch of religious zealots who are intolerant of those in the world, like if we have a superiority complex. Now that is the truth, if you can't see that, then you have your head in the sand. That is what is hurting us, our PR image, low academic profile, our liberal admissions standards (no pun intended).

There are plenty of Christian Universities that teach creationism and young earth science and are NOT research universities that have great academic profiles and rigorous standards. We don't have to be a research university in order to be a competitive and with a high academic profile. Lets face it, we have a decent school with decent academics, we can always improve.

BIOLA, Azusa Pacific, Westmont College, Wheaton College, and Abilene Christian are all great university with better academic profiles. The only reason we are of the fastest growing university in the world, is because we have an online university (extension) with accessible admissions standards (liberal). We have making great facilities improvements in academics and athletics, but where are the post season tournament wins and national championships. We have new med school, law school. and other colleges with new facilities, but where and when is the quality of those programs being raised. We have all the money in the world, but until we can prove that we are university with increasingly competitive students, professors, and quality teaching, and rigor. That is what it will take to be a BIOLA, Azusa Pacific, Westmont College, Wheaton College, and Abilene Chrsitian university with great Division one sports, and FBS football.

We can believe what our core values are and teachings, and principles, until we live and love others as Christ did, and turn that ugly image we have as a university into a positive one, then forget being FBS or a national university with a strong christian foundation. We have to stop judging others, displaying hate, and disparaging other for who they are. It is naive to think that I am telling you let go of your Christian values and beliefs. We need to love others and prove to them we are not what JF senior made us out to look like. This is not what just sun belt posters believe, the general population believes we are intolerant.

[michaeleyou]

addict,

The general poulation of California may agree with you, but the general population of North Carolina doesn't. But as I said before, thats ok. We don't have to be those others schools you keep refering to. There was obviously some reason you attended Liberty and not those schools.

[BJWilliams]

Do I need to tell the frog legs analogy again?

[LUaddict]

addict,

The general poulation of California may agree with you, but the general population of North Carolina doesn't. But as I said before, thats ok. We don't have to be those others schools you keep refering to. There was obviously some reason you attended Liberty and not those schools.

I am a Californian born and raised, many Californians are uber liberal, and I am not one of them. I have just been frustrated with these issues for a long time. I would like our institution to become more prestigious academically and a place that Christians and non Christians alike would want to apply and attend a great school like ours. The PR blunders have really ate at me during the last few years and they have really reached a boiling point with all of the is FBS chatter. I want LU to be FBS, I am just afraid that our chances are slim due to not because of lack of academic profile, but I want our academic profile to increase, but because of our issues with intolerance by JF senior.

I attended Liberty well....I don't remember anymore, shoot I am not even protestant. I actually attended because I felt that it provided a decent education and it had a friendly atmosphere, and great core Christian values. I spend some years in a protestant denomination for a few years, I just never converted. I grew up watching TBN (Trinity Broadcasting Network) in the 1990's, I used to see commercials for LU, and it looked like a school I wouldn't have minded attending. I never was able to attend the university in person, I joined the military at the age of 17, I graduated with BS before I was discharged in 2008 from a different university. I went to the LU online, enrolled in the MBA program and finished, I ended up graduating. I just never knew how much of a bad rep senior has given LU until I was halfway through I graduate program. It didn't bother me at first, but it has started to bother me over the years, makes me feel ashamed sometimes of the crazy stuff that has come out of his mouth. I want to be a proud alum, and sometimes I am, I guess I can get over it. I am not sure any FBS conference presidents will.

Another reason I was attracted to LU as an student, I wanted to be part of Christian school with up and coming DIV 1. I have enjoyed watching all the LU football games the last 4 years from a distance. I am a really big fan of the football program. I went through the ups and downs with Rocco and now with Gill. I see all of money and contributions, and no post season wins or post season play in football. Frustrating to say the least, I try to be optimistic, but this emotional roller coaster of sports disappointments can be a little taxing. I guess I am taking to seriously, and I am too much of a fan. I hope I am not judged for my blunt honesty, I hope I am not banned,I will tone down my rhetoric of JF senior and take it easy a lil bit. This is just a humble story from a fellow Alum.

Now back to conference realignment.

[Curtisc83]

addict,

The general poulation of California may agree with you, but the general population of North Carolina doesn't. But as I said before, thats ok. We don't have to be those others schools you keep refering to. There was obviously some reason you attended Liberty and not those schools.

I am a Californian born and raised, many Californians are uber liberal, and I am not one of them. I have just been frustrated with these issues for a long time. I would like our institution to become more prestigious academically and a place that Christians and non Christians alike would want to apply and attend a great school like ours. The PR blunders have really ate at me during the last few years and they have really reached a boiling point with all of the is FBS chatter. I want LU to be FBS, I am just afraid that our chances are slim due to not because of lack of academic profile, but I want our academic profile to increase, but because of our issues with intolerance by JF senior.

I attended Liberty well....I don't remember anymore, shoot I am not even protestant. I actually attended because I felt that it provided a decent education and it had a friendly atmosphere, and great core Christian values. I spend some years in a protestant denomination for a few years, I just never converted. I grew up watching TBN (Trinity Broadcasting Network) in the 1990's, I used to see commercials for LU, and it looked like a school I wouldn't have minded attending. I never was able to attend the university in person, I joined the military at the age of 17, I graduated with BS before I was discharged in 2008 from a different university. I went to the LU online, enrolled in the MBA program and finished, I ended up graduating. I just never knew how much of a bad rep senior has given LU until I was halfway through I graduate program. It didn't bother me at first, but it has started to bother me over the years, makes me feel ashamed sometimes of the crazy stuff that has come out of his mouth. I want to be a proud alum, and sometimes I am, I guess I can get over it. I am not sure any FBS conference presidents will.

Another reason I was attracted to LU as an student, I wanted to be part of Christian school with up and coming DIV 1. I have enjoyed watching all the LU football games the last 4 years from a distance. I am a really big fan of the football program. I went through the ups and downs with Rocco and now with Gill. I see all of money and contributions, and no post season wins or post season play in football. Frustrating to say the least, I try to be optimistic, but this emotional roller coaster of sports disappointments can be a little taxing. I guess I am taking to seriously, and I am too much of a fan. I hope I am not judged for my blunt honesty, I hope I am not banned,I will tone down my rhetoric of JF senior and take it easy a lil bit. This is just a humble story from a fellow Alum.

Now back to conference realignment.

My story is almost the same. I got out of the Army in 2006 and wanted to attend LU for awhile. I just never had the time and when I finally did I attended online and got a MAML. I am a proud LU alum but am ashamed at some of the things JF Sr. said. Out of context or not some topics are just taboo. I try to not let that get to me or tarnish my degree but its hard sometimes.

I think LU is headed in the right direction and can do so without compromising its core Christian values. We could stop teaching Creationism as a requirement, why not make it 100% optional? Every course at LU has Christianity woven in so its not like moving away from Creationism will really change LU's core values. It would just improve the academic perception.

As far as going FBS I think it would be a good thing for LU. It will help LU become nationally known instead of a regional university. For all the LU grads not in the VA area this will help them career wise which could help LU in the long haul. Donations might very well increase because of that. Endowment size and strength of the Alumni Network are factors in the U.S. News rankings.

If LU wants to be a national university they need to think nationally. Cherry picking a few states that would agree with LU's more extreme views is very short sighted. I always say if you want to change the world you have to be apart of it. This is something LU and LU alums need to remember. Sometimes change is a good thing.

[Yacht Rock]

LUAddict, please stop. You're going to give us other FlamesFans from California a bad name.

I think your perception of Liberty isn't accurate and seems to be more based on media reports, message boards, and forum comments. Yes, the university could do a better job of communicating its message sometimes, but that doesn't amount to "change" so much as just being better at what they do, which I have seen happen little by little in the few years I've been attending.

I think you want LU to be something different than it is or should be. That would be like me moving to Arizona and complaining that there's no beach.

[BJWilliams]

You know luaddict your comments might be received better without the passive aggressive tone and the seemingly inherent martyr complex

[flameshaw]

You guys need to remember that we are still a very young university. Jr. has only been in charge a few years and in reality Sr. wasn't able to do many of the things that Jr. has accomplished. Being there from day one, I can tell you we are light years ahead of where we started and we will continue to get better.
Teach Creationism as an elective? I would say, close it down first. I do not have a problem with teaching both or multiple views of earth's beginnings. I am not sure what we do now.
Have there been some things said by Sr. and maybe some others that shouldn't have been said? Yes. However everyone has done the "ready, fire, aim" drill a few times. Let it go. I would guess that it is perpetuated more by "us" than by the general public. Besides, without Sr. we wouldn't even be here whining about it. We will continue to improve our academic standing every year.