[Purple Haize]

they are humans are they not?

That has nothing to do with your previous post. World history is repeat with genocide. What is happening in N Korea is horrible no doubt about it. There is nothing we can do about it. USAid only gets diverted to the Ruling Class. We can't send Missionary or Religous aid in. And any military action would have to take China into account. Add to that Americas response to the last dictator we removed who was also committing genocide and you can see the quandary

[VAGolf]

I was told yesterday that Ukraine's interim President is actually an evangelical Baptist.


What do you think Russia's next move will be? Putin has been fairly silent since Yanukovych fled.

[Purple Haize]

I was told yesterday that Ukraine's interim President is actually an evangelical Baptist.


What do you think Russia's next move will be? Putin has been fairly silent since Yanukovych fled.

He's patient. I'm sure he will try to influence the elections but he also may wait to see who wins and try to influence (buy) the new President

[bballfan84]

they are humans are they not?

That has nothing to do with your previous post. World history is repeat with genocide. What is happening in N Korea is horrible no doubt about it. There is nothing we can do about it. USAid only gets diverted to the Ruling Class. We can't send Missionary or Religous aid in. And any military action would have to take China into account. Add to that Americas response to the last dictator we removed who was also committing genocide and you can see the quandary

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The all powerful and all knowing HAIZE..

[ATrain]

the libertarian party is going bankrupt.

That's because we've been busy taking over the Republican Party from within...

That would be the tea party which is a separate movement from the Libertarian Party.

[Purple Haize]

Wait, you mean this is working out without us dropping bombs on anyone? Shocking, I know. How would the world ever get by without us?

Russia is doing 'Military Readiness' exercises near the border. Don't get too excited just yet

Plus, there are people who just NEED bombs dropped on their heads.

[Purple Haize]

they are humans are they not?

That has nothing to do with your previous post. World history is repeat with genocide. What is happening in N Korea is horrible no doubt about it. There is nothing we can do about it. USAid only gets diverted to the Ruling Class. We can't send Missionary or Religous aid in. And any military action would have to take China into account. Add to that Americas response to the last dictator we removed who was also committing genocide and you can see the quandary

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The all powerful and all knowing HAIZE. .

FIFY

[Purple Haize]

Wait, you mean this is working out without us dropping bombs on anyone? Shocking, I know. How would the world ever get by without us?

Russia is doing 'Military Readiness' exercises near the border. Don't get too excited just yet

Plus, there are people who just NEED bombs dropped on their heads.

Russian tanks won't be rolling into Kiev any sooner than North Korea launches a nuclear attack. The lynchpin of American interventionism is always an assumption that the other side is run by a bunch of blood thirsty maniacs incapable of pragmatic self preservation.

I would not call Kim Young Whatshisname pragmatic. Bloody thirsty maniac, sure.
Putin is much more rational.

[Purple Haize]

I am going to file this under Not Good

http://en.interfax.com.ua/news/general/193305.html

Russian over flights and now a seized Crimean airport.....

[Humble_Opinion]

Wait, you mean this is working out without us dropping bombs on anyone? Shocking, I know. How would the world ever get by without us?

Russia is doing 'Military Readiness' exercises near the border. Don't get too excited just yet

Plus, there are people who just NEED bombs dropped on their heads.

Russian tanks won't be rolling into Kiev any sooner than North Korea launches a nuclear attack. The lynchpin of American interventionism is always an assumption that the other side is run by a bunch of blood thirsty maniacs incapable of pragmatic self preservation.

Men that are power hungry and egotistical (ie Putin) only are pragmatic when they are not given room to capitalize on their wishes. Unfortunately, for the better part of 75 yrs, the U.S. has been the only country to provide that check on Soviet/Russian aggression. Even when they are kept "in check" they are still testing the waters for an opening to pursue their goals.

[Purple Haize]

Yeah, it looks like I was wrong. He is making his move via the Crimean area. Very similar play book to what he did in Georgia. (Yet another pro Western former republic)
You can take the colonel out of the KGB but you can't take the KGB out of the Colonel

[ATrain]

Yeah, it looks like I was wrong. He is making his move via the Crimean area. Very similar play book to what he did in Georgia. (Yet another pro Western former republic)
You can take the colonel out of the KGB but you can't take the KGB out of the Colonel

Then we should take out the Colonel

[Purple Haize]

Yeah, it looks like I was wrong. He is making his move via the Crimean area. Very similar play book to what he did in Georgia. (Yet another pro Western former republic)
You can take the colonel out of the KGB but you can't take the KGB out of the Colonel

Then we should take out the Colonel

A little late for that.
The question now becomes,for those who believe in the rights of Ukrainian self determination, what role, if any should the US play now that its apparent the Russians don't feel that way. The Ukraining people made it pretty clear what THEY wanted when they risked their lives to over throw the President. The question is what are we going to do to help that decision stick?

[flamehunter]

Yeah, it looks like I was wrong. He is making his move via the Crimean area. Very similar play book to what he did in Georgia. (Yet another pro Western former republic)
You can take the colonel out of the KGB but you can't take the KGB out of the Colonel

Then we should take out the Colonel

Do you mean in a military sense or a dating sense?

[Purple Haize]

A little late for that.
The question now becomes,for those who believe in the rights of Ukrainian self determination, what role, if any should the US play now that its apparent the Russians don't feel that way. The Ukraining people made it pretty clear what THEY wanted when they risked their lives to over throw the President. The question is what are we going to do to help that decision stick?

I guess it depends on whether or not you are a member of Team America: World Police.

"Wherever the standard of freedom and independence has been or shall be unfurled, there will her heart, her benedictions and her prayers be. But she goes not abroad in search of monsters to destroy. She is the well-wisher to the freedom and independence of all. She is the champion and vindicator only of her own." -John Quincy Adams[/quote]

Team America F€%^# Yeah!

No need to search for monsters in this case. They are pretty out in the open. JQA, based on that statement would also have been against NATO and most likely against participation in WW2. He also wasn't a fan of annexing Texas. He would also be considered a Big Government Liberal.

“The great rule of conduct for us in regard to foreign nations is, in extending our commercial relations to have with them as little political connection as possible. So far as we have already formed engagements let them be fulfilled with perfect good faith. Here let us stop.”
George Washington

We helped set these people free from the Soviet Union. We are already engaged. Let's not stop

[Purple Haize]

Well, I think the Pearl Harbor attack would have convinced Adams. And there are plenty of solid, however unpopular arguments that we shouldn't have been involved in WW2.

As for Ukraine and Washington's farewell, come on. We helped Ukraine by engaging in a multidecade Cold War with a USSR empire that we helped create after WW2. How long is the blood of American soldiers indebted to the Ukraine for their freedom in your worldview?

I was unaware the price of freedom had an expiration date. If Free Peoples want our help then we should give it in whatever manner we can. Just patting them on the back and saying good job and wagging a finger at those who infringe upon it is entirely insufficient.

Pearl Harbor would have convinced Adams to attack Japan. The reasons the arguments are unpopular is because they are NOT solid.

[jbock13]

Well let's see. EU is socialist. Russia is socialist. So when you come down to it nobody's really any better off.

Long the days have past that I attempted to make a well thought and reasoned argument about anything on here so that's all I got. Not that any of you would have read it anyway.

[Purple Haize]

Well let's see. EU is socialist. Russia is socialist. So when you come down to it nobody's really any better off.

Long the days have past that I attempted to make a well thought and reasoned argument about anything on here so that's all I got. Not that any of you would have read it anyway.

The Martyr Complex doesn't suit you. Russia is a tad bit more oppressive to their citizens and underlings then say Portugal or Luxemburg.

[JK37]

When what happens on another nation's soil directly affects the safety of people on our soil, we must involve ourselves. To not do so is naive.

The argument I hear all too often is, "If we wouldn't involve ourselves, they would leave us alone." But appeasement only makes the aggressor more aggressive. Did we learn nothing from WWI?!

[Humble_Opinion]

Looks like the situation is escalating quickly. Putin has painted his own red line in the sand and issued an ultimatum to all Ukrainian forces in the Crimea. Where are you now BYD?

[Purple Haize]

Looks like the situation is escalating quickly. Putin has painted his own red line in the sand and issued an ultimatum to all Ukrainian forces in the Crimea. Where are you now BYD?

The difference between Putin's and Obama's red line is that Putin's will be painted in blood.

[BJWilliams]

And this is why I prefer a grand show of force and blowing our enemies off the face of the earth...while its not the preferred method, I would not have let Putin dictate the rules of engagement here

[Purple Haize]

And this is why I prefer a grand show of force and blowing our enemies off the face of the earth...while its not the preferred method, I would not have let Putin dictate the rules of engagement here

Which is it

[Purple Haize]

Here is my latest prediction. I haven't been too accurate but here it goes

Putin went in to Crimea to support 'Ethnic Russians' but really and may justifiably so, Servastapol which is home of the Black Sea Fleet
The Ukraine will strike back and try to save their besieged garrison there are avenge their destruction.
Putin then invades the rest of Ukraine under the pretense of protecting what they were already protecting in the Crimea
Obama.....will wag his finger while Putin draws his red line in blood.

[BJWilliams]

I was stating that it is my personal preference but that it would not be the preferred method of the board at-large