[SuperJon]

Barber wouldn't hire him. Not a big enough name.

[thepostman]

Was Dale Layer a big name? I mean I guess compared to Jason Allison he is.

PS It is kind of sad how true that is.

[Sly Fox]

He had more impressive credentials at the time of his hiring than Jason has right now. But they are in different stages of their careers.

[thepostman]

But I still wouldn't call him a big name hire.

[SuperJon]

I'd say that was a different situation. He was the top assistant at Marquette. In the coaching world, Layer is well known. We were also trying to save a sinking ship and went to someone we knew and the player knew.

[Bigsouthking]

If Meyer would have never gotten fired or run out of town Allison would have been on staff the day after he graduated. Those 2 are tight.

How bout John Jones? He's a LU grad and just won his 200th college game. He also worked under Greg Marshall at Winthrop for a season.

[jinxy]

4 things are clear that we all keep repeating. First, layer is a stand up guy and fits what we do perfectly. Second, he inherited a mess. Third, he has underperformed the last two years with his recruits and has whiffed on 5-7 players the last 3 years. Fourth, he has an extension no matter how dumb we think it was and its going to keep him here a couple more years regardless. There is one thing that dale should do that he wont and that is bring allison on staff. He could help save his job. Layer probably isnt keen on adding a guy that could replace him when the seat is warm. I dont think it will happen for obvious reasons but thats the one thing that could be changed

[SuperJon]

I don't know that Jason would come as an assistant. That's a lateral move.

[jinxy]

Jon you know we could pay more and make it happen if we wanted it. If hes truly interested in his alma mater then that would help. Duggar isnt going anywhere and they are happy with him. Not like hes going to move up there anytime soon

[Lburglifer]

Have y'all been around here long? LU just opened a 50 million dollar library, have a 500 million dollar building campaign under way. Hired Dot Richardson and are building her a state of the art softball complex! Do you think Jerry is going to hire a BSC assistant from a school LU beats? Not likely, good or bad it will be a splash hire if it happens.

[SuperJon]

No one thinks we would, but all of us think that's part of the problem.

[Purple Haize]

No one thinks we would, but all of us think that's part of the problem.

[SumItUp]

Obviously, no one is pleased with the results of the program right now. Dale Layer is going to be the coach. We are not looking for replacements. His first recruiting class after the run to the NCAA tourney and the addition of the new practice facilities looks really good. With better recruits, Layer might look like a basketball genius. This season is not over. There have been disappointing losses and stretches of miserable play, but also there are some exciting players to build around.

Everyone likes to point to Jeff Meyer as the best coach at Liberty. I also remember that the most popular chant at the end of his Liberty career in games when his teams struggled was "Fire Meyer!"

[VAGolf]

Obviously, no one is pleased with the results of the program right now. Dale Layer is going to be the coach. We are not looking for replacements. His first recruiting class after the run to the NCAA tourney and the addition of the new practice facilities looks really good. With better recruits, Layer might look like a basketball genius. This season is not over. There have been disappointing losses and stretches of miserable play, but also there are some exciting players to build around.

Everyone likes to point to Jeff Meyer as the best coach at Liberty. I also remember that the most popular chant at the end of his Liberty career in games when his teams struggled was "Fire Meyer!"

Who gives a rip about recruiting classes? You know who's had great recruiting classes in football for the past several years? UVA. Do you know what their record is for the past several years? Pathetic. I hate the "well, we've got a solid recruiting class!" argument.

And the practice facilities? As if we haven't had the best facilities in the conference for the past 5 years+. Recruiting classes and practice facilities aren't the problem.

I've been to the games, we have talent. Maybe not as much as a team like CSU or Radford but we have more talent than High Point and Longwood. The talent isn't great, but I don't think it's part of the problem. The culture surrounding our athletics is the whole problem. IMO, Jeff Barber and Dale Layer are the reasons behind the lack of success in basketball.

And let's stop with this, "He inherited a mess" crap. It's his 5th year here, the mess is gone. Also, his best two years here were his first two years. So, if he inherited a "mess," that was a much better "mess" than what we currently have.

[Bigsouthking]

Obviously, no one is pleased with the results of the program right now. Dale Layer is going to be the coach. We are not looking for replacements. His first recruiting class after the run to the NCAA tourney and the addition of the new practice facilities looks really good. With better recruits, Layer might look like a basketball genius. This season is not over. There have been disappointing losses and stretches of miserable play, but also there are some exciting players to build around.

Everyone likes to point to Jeff Meyer as the best coach at Liberty. I also remember that the most popular chant at the end of his Liberty career in games when his teams struggled was "Fire Meyer!"

They chanted "Fire Meyer" and his last team went 23-9 a co conference 1st place finish, Big South Tournament Runner up.... maybe that's the problem with LU, their fans dont know what success is.

[Lburglifer]

VAgolf you are making to many valid points. If you follow this there seems to be a number who supported a direction but won't own up to where the trail has lead.

[jcmanson]

Jon you know we could pay more and make it happen if we wanted it. If hes truly interested in his alma mater then that would help. Duggar isnt going anywhere and they are happy with him. Not like hes going to move up there anytime soon

We had an assistant's job open last year, if you recall. Allison met with Layer at the Final Four about it.

[Sly Fox]

For the record, I'd love to see John be a part of an LU staff someday. He's done a nice job toiling undercover in some lower profile head coaching gigs. And he is certainly LU to the core.

[bballfan84]

Bob Davis best coach I have ever had or been around..he could get it done for sure but would need some help recruiting from his assistants

[jcmanson]

Bob Davis best coach I have ever had or been around..he could get it done for sure but would need some help recruiting from his assistants

So, let me get this straight...we want to hire a guy who's a D3 coach with the following records:
can't find record for his 1st season, but just 8 wins
15-10
12-13
16-10
10-15
3-22
4-21
11-15
3-12

He's had 2 seasons with a winning record in 9 years in D3...yep, sign me up!!!

[-army56mike-]

Seriously..... What is the mission statement, team goals or expectations for LU basketball or athletics in general? Is it written or explained anywhere? Is it to compete at the highest level of sports or is it to win at the highest level of sports? Is it to represent the body of Christ and graduate players solely? Or is delivering championship level teams part of the equation? If there is no expectation of winning and striving toward championships, but rather simply mentoring young Christians than maybe Coach Layer is fulfilling his obligation. However if he is supposed to be building a championship program even he needs to stop and consider if be is getting the job done.

[Chippy]

Seriously..... What is the mission statement, team goals or expectations for LU basketball or athletics in general? Is it written or explained anywhere? Is it to compete at the highest level of sports or is it to win at the highest level of sports? Is it to represent the body of Christ and graduate players solely? Or is delivering championship level teams part of the equation? If there is no expectation of winning and striving toward championships, but rather simply mentoring young Christians than maybe Coach Layer is fulfilling his obligation. However if he is supposed to be building a championship program even he needs to stop and consider if be is getting the job done.

So we can put you down as a maybe

[Purple Haize]

Bob Davis best coach I have ever had or been around..he could get it done for sure but would need some help recruiting from his assistants

So, let me get this straight...we want to hire a guy who's a D3 coach with the following records:
can't find record for his 1st season, but just 8 wins
15-10
12-13
16-10
10-15
3-22
4-21
11-15
3-12

He's had 2 seasons with a winning record in 9 years in D3...yep, sign me up!!!

Given the resources he has to deal with he's doing fine. I agree he's a very very good coach. I'd sign him and take the heat if it didn't work out. It's never going to happen but I sure wish it would.

[Lburglifer]

Seriously..... What is the mission statement, team goals or expectations for LU basketball or athletics in general? Is it written or explained anywhere? Is it to compete at the highest level of sports or is it to win at the highest level of sports? Is it to represent the body of Christ and graduate players solely? Or is delivering championship level teams part of the equation? If there is no expectation of winning and striving toward championships, but rather simply mentoring young Christians than maybe Coach Layer is fulfilling his obligation. However if he is supposed to be building a championship program even he needs to stop and consider if be is getting the job done.

Or is it that we can play the mission card when we can't build a championship program because this athletic department will put a football player with a cocaine felony charge in uniform to try to win.

[BJWilliams]

Can someone explain to me why this guy is still here...didnt Scorcho say something about dealing with him before BYD and manson took the reins?