[alabama24]

My love for liberty goes beyond a JV football team. My love for the university of Alabama doesn't go much beyond football.

[VAGolf]

Not you personally postman. You seem to be an LU athletics fan. I was commenting on how few Liberty fans there appear to be here which is a funny juxtaposition to the amount of complaining about every little thing. Your time here didn't mean enough for you to have 100% emotional investment in the athletics yet you're outraged about LU trying to control their copyright because they look like bullies. It doesn't compute.

At the same time, we are EXPECTED to be Liberty fans since we merely go to the school. We're also deemed haters if we simply question a decision being made by the athletic staff.

I love Liberty athletics since I went to the school. But that doesn't mean that I should cheer for Liberty exclusively. In my opinion, Liberty should have to earn the type of respect that it is expecting from its students and alumni. Fake awards and blind support of dumb decisions, deserves very little respect.

Since this is getting away from the title of the thread, let me switch gears for a moment. If Liberty is serious about moving up, they should consider the opinions of those inside and outside the university. Anytime I've ever seen someone call out a member of the staff or question a coach, you have this army of posters jump to LU's defense. All I can say is that there is a reason as to why Liberty hasn't received an invite. There is a reason the MAC voted 11-0 against us joining the conference. Sure, you can make the argument that our beliefs are limiting us, but I think that argument is an easy way out of the truth. The truth is that Liberty has a problem with its culture around athletics and I believe that is what's holding Liberty back.

[ALUmnus]

The truth is that Liberty has a problem with its culture around athletics and I believe that is what's holding Liberty back.

Wait, is there some type of underground secret handshake national academic/athletic club where this is common knowledge? Eleven presidents of MAC schools all know that much about vague cultural problems in the athletic programs of a young virtually unknown Christian university to vote against us? Where can I sign up for this newsletter?

[VAGolf]

The truth is that Liberty has a problem with its culture around athletics and I believe that is what's holding Liberty back.

Wait, is there some type of underground secret handshake national academic/athletic club where this is common knowledge? Eleven presidents of MAC schools all know that much about vague cultural problems in the athletic programs of a young virtually unknown Christian university to vote against us? Where can I sign up for this newsletter?

You're missing the point. The reason that we aren't receiving an invite doesn't have to do with someone else's view of us. It has to do with how we view ourselves and our ability to close the deal. There are people on here who would blame the students before the athletic staff for our failures. That's the culture problem that I'm referring to and that's holding us back.

[Purple Haize]

I only gripe about the school when I think they are doing something that hurts the name of the University I hold a degree to. Which seems completely justified in my opinion.

L UCONN? Go Huskies

But I do agree with this, which now probably condemns you to eternal damnation. Sometimes people judge you based on 1 criticism and then extrapolate it to the entire University. You can't expect everyone to agree with every decision. If you disagree with one thing doesn't mean you disagree with everything. Conversely, it seems there are those that believe you must accept everything and if you don't, you are a malcontent. When LU/Liberty does something I agree with I say so. If they do something I disagree with. I say so. If you don't like it, say so.

[jlread]

That's a fair point. The fact ASU's program averages nearly 30,000 for home games is a big reason for their invite. And the reason they average nearly 30,000 is because there is nothing else to do in Boone, NC.

FIFY

Until recently there wasn't much else to do in Lynchburg either and we never got to 30,000/average

You people have lost your mind if you think theirs nothing better to do then football in Boone NC. That place is an outdoors/ski/golf/tree hugging/climbing/flyfishing/ Bluegrass Merle fest/hunting mans paradise. But I will say the lady's May have a little to much hair on their legs for me down their....

[jbock13]

I'm frustrated with our lack of athletic success. I grew up a WVU fan, always will be.

Except September 5'th, 2009 when Liberty played them. I was a Liberty fan.

Then I went back to being a WVU fan and a Liberty fan.

That's all I've got to say on this matter. It's okay to be frustrated. It's not okay to stomp on the university that gave your diploma unless you're the kind to pi$$ into the wind often.

[LUnpretty11]

I used to be a VT fan. I don't agree with "I'm a ____ fan AND a Liberty fan". Where does your money go? I despise the fan of multiple universities stand. It's okay to like other schools across the country, but you can't be a fan of other schools and LU. I love the username "BuryYourDuke", says it perfectly. We need less people who "like Liberty" and more Liberty fans GO LIBERTY!

[Purple Haize]

I used to be a VT fan. I don't agree with "I'm a ____ fan AND a Liberty fan". Where does your money go? I despise the fan of multiple universities stand. It's okay to like other schools across the country, but you can't be a fan of other schools and LU. I love the username "BuryYourDuke", says it perfectly. We need less people who "like Liberty" and more Liberty fans GO LIBERTY!

Why can't you? People are VT football fans and UNC Basketball fans.

But I will say we need more fans and fewer spectators

[LUnpretty11]

I used to be a VT fan. I don't agree with "I'm a ____ fan AND a Liberty fan". Where does your money go? I despise the fan of multiple universities stand. It's okay to like other schools across the country, but you can't be a fan of other schools and LU. I love the username "BuryYourDuke", says it perfectly. We need less people who "like Liberty" and more Liberty fans GO LIBERTY!

Why can't you? People are VT football fans and UNC Basketball fans.

But I will say we need more fans and fewer spectators

Because every D1 school is in competition with us for money, athletes, and students (future alumn/fans). Like I said, you can like UNC basketball and VT football, but you can't be a VT fan and a UNC fan. I just don't buy it. And we won't have the fan base we want so badly until we stop being a "fan of Bama/WVU/VT/UVA/UNC and Liberty". Liberty will take a back seat until our "spectators" quit "liking Liberty" and become "Liberty fans". There is a huge difference.

[jcmanson]

Like the great philosopher LUconn once said, Liberty fans deserve Liberty athletics

[Purple Haize]

I used to be a VT fan. I don't agree with "I'm a ____ fan AND a Liberty fan". Where does your money go? I despise the fan of multiple universities stand. It's okay to like other schools across the country, but you can't be a fan of other schools and LU. I love the username "BuryYourDuke", says it perfectly. We need less people who "like Liberty" and more Liberty fans GO LIBERTY!

Why can't you? People are VT football fans and UNC Basketball fans.

But I will say we need more fans and fewer spectators

Because every D1 school is in competition with us for money, athletes, and students (future alumn/fans). Like I said, you can like UNC basketball and VT football, but you can't be a VT fan and a UNC fan. I just don't buy it. And we won't have the fan base we want so badly until we stop being a "fan of Bama/WVU/VT/UVA/UNC and Liberty". Liberty will take a back seat until our "spectators" quit "liking Liberty" and become "Liberty fans". There is a huge difference.

I can sorta agree with it. But I will say once you've fallen in love with the Mountaineers there is only 2nd best. In my case I'll root for IU everytime unless they play LU. WVU unless the play IU or LU. Where does my money go? All 3. I very rarely have a conflict of interest

[jinxy]

Pretty is spot on, used to be a uva fan and liberty fan. Then a few years ago as we became a little more credible i realized uva is for most everything im against and vice versa. Further, we will one day compete against them. I was always lu first now im just lu. I cant even comprehend vagolfs stance here no matter how frustrated i ever could get at our athletics

[LUnpretty11]

I'm only posting cause I wanted the 7000 post.

You're a true Posting Fan!

Or he just likes posting

The conflict of interest comes into play when your money goes into 3 different schools.

[Purple Haize]

I'm only posting cause I wanted the 7000 post.

You're a true Posting Fan!

Or he just likes posting

The conflict of interest comes into play when your money goes into 3 different schools.

Not really. I grew up loving one, graduated from the other and the third is local

[VAGolf]

So, you expect me to throw away every UF game I've ever been to? You expect me to not cheer for friends? You expect me to throw away all of the traditions and tailgates I've enjoyed with my family? And you expect me throw all of this away for a FCS school that can't even win a mediocre conference? All because I paid my own money to go to Liberty?

You do realize that Liberty isn't paying me, right? How on earth has Liberty earned any right to expect me, or any other student/alumni to solely cheer for Liberty?

[alabama24]

I used to be a VT fan. I don't agree with "I'm a ____ fan AND a Liberty fan".

Two thoughts:
1. You are a crack pot
2. I certainly understand why you USED to be a VT fan.

[BJWilliams]

As much as Id like to pick apart your last statement and take my pick of the logical fallacy that best fits VAGold...Im not going to because my son is having trouble going to sleep tonight...

[adam42381]

You guys need to realize that Liberty wasn't the first choice for a lot of students. I was born and raised a Tar Heels fan, but even if I could have gotten accepted at UNC (and I couldn't), my parents wouldn't have paid for me to go there. They sent me to Christian school as a child and they would only pay for a Christian college unless I stayed at home and went somewhere local. Liberty was an easy school to get into and my parents were comfortable sending me there. Sure, I cheered for the Flames while I was there and I continue to do so, but I'll always be a UNC fan first and foremost. You guys can hate on that all you want, but it's ridiculous to expect every student to give their complete devotion to a school just because they attended there. If they do, great. If not, that's their choice. It's not something that should bother people. It's not like the schools most kids are pulling for are even rivals with Liberty. Maybe one day, but not right now.

[Purple Haize]

It's not like the schools most kids are pulling for are even rivals with Liberty. Maybe one day, but not right now.

BINGO! It would be one thing if you were both a Radford and LU fan. It's like being a Jets and Patriot fan. Or a Red Sox and Cool people fan

Beej- please enlighten us as to the fallacies of VA's post. There are some good points there. And wouldn't it be logical not to post at all as opposed to taking the time out to read the posts and then respond by saying you won't respond at this time because of a child's sniffles? It would be more believe able if you just waited to post when, you know, you actually had time.

[thepostman]

You guys need to realize that Liberty wasn't the first choice for a lot of students. I was born and raised a Tar Heels fan, but even if I could have gotten accepted at UNC (and I couldn't), my parents wouldn't have paid for me to go there. They sent me to Christian school as a child and they would only pay for a Christian college unless I stayed at home and went somewhere local. Liberty was an easy school to get into and my parents were comfortable sending me there. Sure, I cheered for the Flames while I was there and I continue to do so, but I'll always be a UNC fan first and foremost. You guys can hate on that all you want, but it's ridiculous to expect every student to give their complete devotion to a school just because they attended there. If they do, great. If not, that's their choice. It's not something that should bother people. It's not like the schools most kids are pulling for are even rivals with Liberty. Maybe one day, but not right now.

That is actually a really good point that I didn't think of. I went to Liberty by choice so my attitude towards it is way different then somebody who's parents forced them to go.

On a side note to this already side note, why do parents feel the need to force their kids to go to a certain college? I just don't get it. I guess if you are paying for the education it makes sense to an extent, but it is college and your kid is going to get into trouble whether it is a Christian college or not if they feel like getting into that stuff. It is just incredibly short sited to me...

[adam42381]

That is actually a really good point that I didn't think of. I went to Liberty by choice so my attitude towards it is way different then somebody who's parents forced them to go.

On a side note to this already side note, why do parents feel the need to force their kids to go to a certain college? I just don't get it. I guess if you are paying for the education it makes sense to an extent, but it is college and your kid is going to get into trouble whether it is a Christian college or not if they feel like getting into that stuff. It is just incredibly short sited to me...

I think it's a control thing. My dad is a very controlling person and both my parents are very strict. They felt like Liberty was a good fit because the school, in a sense, kind of babysat the students with the rules they had in place, i.e., curfew, no drinking, no R-rated movies, dancing, dress code, etc. They felt comfortable sending my brother and I there because the rules were similar to the ones they had at home. Looking back, I don't think Liberty was a great fit for me, but at the time it was all I knew. I'm still posting around these parts because I enjoy the give and take that goes on around here and I am interested to know what's going on at my alma mater. I don't have a problem with anyone stating their opinion, but I don't like being called out for not being a Liberty fan first and foremost. Liberty should be happy they have as many fans as they do considering the on-field success they've had historically.

[ATrain]

You guys need to realize that Liberty wasn't the first choice for a lot of students. I was born and raised a Tar Heels fan, but even if I could have gotten accepted at UNC (and I couldn't), my parents wouldn't have paid for me to go there. They sent me to Christian school as a child and they would only pay for a Christian college unless I stayed at home and went somewhere local. Liberty was an easy school to get into and my parents were comfortable sending me there. Sure, I cheered for the Flames while I was there and I continue to do so, but I'll always be a UNC fan first and foremost. You guys can hate on that all you want, but it's ridiculous to expect every student to give their complete devotion to a school just because they attended there. If they do, great. If not, that's their choice. It's not something that should bother people. It's not like the schools most kids are pulling for are even rivals with Liberty. Maybe one day, but not right now.

This...my parents said they'd pay for everything if I took the full-tuition scholarship to Liberty, or nothing if I went to Tech/anywhere else (I was seriously considering Fordham University because...well...its in NYC and I had taken a missions trip there earlier and LOVED the city). Then when I was looking at grad schools, I was more paying attention to the quality of the academic program and considering UF, Ole Miss and Tennessee...before Coach Johnson got hired and I got a scholarship with the tennis teams that way.

Now, I differ from Adam in this respect: Liberty athletics has helped me get to where I am today, and I will always cheer for Liberty, even when they play Tech.

[VAGolf]

Atrain -

That makes perfect sense. LU athletics helped build who you are and that is most certainly a reason to cheer for only them. I would also say that anyone who works for athletics has an obligation to only cheer for Liberty. Sports is a cutthroat business environment and everyone is competing with everyone. So, in that regard, I completely understand the expectation.

My problem is with there being any expectations for the students. I've never understood it.

[VAGolf]

As much as Id like to pick apart your last statement and take my pick of the logical fallacy that best fits VAGold...Im not going to because my son is having trouble going to sleep tonight...

Well, when you get time, please pick apart every logical fallacy from my posts. I would love to hear your perspective.