If you want to talk ASUN smack or ramble ad nauseum about your favorite pro or major college teams, this is the place to let it rip.

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By LUGrad2000
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SumItUp wrote:
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Harry Minium: There will likely be five FBS teams in Virginia within a few years. I think JMU will move up. Liberty said 18 months ago it plans to move up. All it needs is a conference home. Liberty is more prepared for FBS when it comes to facilities and money than ODU. I'm writing a story for tomorrow's paper about their program. Here's a teaser: while ODU brought a large TV market to C-USA, Liberty brings a TV network that is seen in 84 million homes.
This was from today's live chat with Harry Minium, who covers ODU football. Nothing new for us, but it will be interesting to read his thoughts about Liberty and JMU.
Yes, I will look forward to that article.
By phoenix
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Purple Haize wrote:The rest of the kids waited until he was the last one then threw all the balls as Hards as they could at him!
I stood all the way in the back next to the line and they all thought I was already out ;)
By LUconn
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That seemed like the first good news on the Sun Belt front in a long time. I had given up on them. I don't think they'll get JMU. JMU seems to not want anything to do with them and I don't even know if they have the capability to do it anyway.
By LUconn
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I almost wonder if they're putting us back in the mix only because of the comments from ODU's AD. Not that he convinced them but they saw that there is at least some, if minimal, interest from another FBS conference. I really saw a ton of potential in the Sun Belt in the last 2 years, more so than CUSA, but they took some major losses. I mean, they're an FBS conference but that's about all they have going for them at this point.
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By Purple Haize
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BuryYourDuke wrote:
After being very pro-Sun Belt in the past, I really think it is in our best interest now to wait for Conference USA where we would have more natural rivals.

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So what you are saying is that we SHOULDN'T jump at the FIRST FBS offer but wait for the BEST FBS offer. And by best I mean regional rivalries, exposure and interest.
You really ARE bucking for admission in the Dark Side :flamingdevil
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By rmiller1959
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Question #2: Do we have the fan support for an FBS team?

I attended the Coastal Carolina game and, as disappointed as I was with the outcome, I noted that 1) despite calls going out to the LU community to come out and help break the attendance record, we fell well short of the mark, and 2) thousands of students were gone before regulation play ended, and those that remained were pretty flat, an observation my son, also a student and a player in high school, noted. Chris Lang, who writes for the News and Advance, made the same observation:

“The great fan support at Liberty games is largely a myth, it seems. Sure, students show up for the social event at the beginning of the game. But when the stands on that side were half empty when the third quarter started, it just pounded home the point that some students are there to be seen, and they don’t give a lick about whether or not the football team succeeds. There are plenty of die-hard students, and they are to be commended. But when the team needed the crowd support the most at the end of the game, the stadium was pretty quiet. That’s the sort of culture the athletic department is fighting against. Student attendance is down across college football. It’s not just a problem at Liberty. I’m not a player, but if I saw the stands full and buzzing at the beginning of the game and came out after halftime to see half the stadium had bounced, I’d be a little deflated.”

It might be a chicken and egg conundrum – is the fan support lacking because the team isn’t doing as well as they’d like, or is the team floundering because the fans aren’t there to exhort them? If we can’t break an attendance record against our arch-rivals who come in undefeated and ranked higher nationally than any team in Big South history, and where a win would practically put us in the driver’s seat for sole possession of the Big South title and an automatic playoff bid – oh, and it’s Homecoming – what does that say about us?
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By Purple Haize
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BuryYourDuke wrote:Well he is right in the sense that, if we get an offer, we are going.
But that is assuming we will only ever receive one offer. I'm still of the opinion if its not the right fit we stay put and....you know.....win games
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By Purple Haize
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BuryYourDuke wrote:I don't disagree with you, but we both know the second we get an invite from the newly formed Alaska-Hawaii FBS league we are going.
In the words of the great Southern Gospel group Metallica 'Sad but True'

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By LUminary
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BuryYourDuke wrote:...the second we get an invite from the newly formed Alaska-Hawaii FBS league we are going.
Road trip! Seriously, if ANY invite comes better get on board. After the Sun Belt decided to spend a season without a 12th team and title game rather than add us, I'm thinking an invite won't be coming unless and until something changes drastically.
rmiller1959 wrote:Question for everyone: Do you think LU's close losses this season helped or hurt its FBS chances?
Wins and losses have no bearing.
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By Sly Fox
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I am curious to what you mean by natural rivalries, BYD. I can't think of many if any outside of BYU & ORU. Or are you simply referring to proximity?
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By LUminary
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Purple Haize wrote:Yes. They do. Especially in our case
The only way I see it is if a conference is choosing between two programs and everything else is equal. There are so many other factors involved that take precedent. Do you think if Liberty had won FCS national titles recently the Sun Belt would have offered an invite? I don't. Winning is great. I just don't think lack of making the playoffs annually is what is blocking the move up.
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By Purple Haize
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LUminary wrote:
Purple Haize wrote:Yes. They do. Especially in our case
The only way I see it is if a conference is choosing between two programs and everything else is equal. There are so many other factors involved that take precedent. Do you think if Liberty had won FCS national titles recently the Sun Belt would have offered an invite? I don't. Winning is great. I just don't think lack of making the playoffs annually is what is blocking the move up.
Yep. Ask it this way Do you think if App State had losing seasons 9 of the last 10 years they would have gotten an invite? Nope.
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By LUminary
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Purple Haize wrote:
LUminary wrote:
Purple Haize wrote:Yes. They do. Especially in our case
The only way I see it is if a conference is choosing between two programs and everything else is equal. There are so many other factors involved that take precedent. Do you think if Liberty had won FCS national titles recently the Sun Belt would have offered an invite? I don't. Winning is great. I just don't think lack of making the playoffs annually is what is blocking the move up.
Yep. Ask it this way Do you think if App State had losing seasons 9 of the last 10 years they would have gotten an invite? Nope.
That's a fair point. The fact ASU's program averages nearly 30,000 for home games is a big reason for their invite. And the reason they average nearly 30,000 is because they won three national titles and beat Michigan. So, in that case, we can agree that success did matter. And, of course, it didn't hurt that the Sun Belt needed bodies. In Charlotte's case, wins didn't matter. All that mattered was a major market. And ODU had little football history. In Liberty's case, politics and perceptions seem to matter most. I'm really not convinced that making the playoffs regularly or even winning an FCS title would override those sad facts. Hope I'm wrong. Hope we get a chance to find out someday.
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By Purple Haize
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Considering we've never been to the play offs its a moot point. Although you did a great job validating mine. They didn't ALMOST make the play offs. They didn't ALMOST beat Michigan. They actually did it. They won games. All else followed
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By bluedevilflame
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flamerbob wrote:We don't have prestige, a winning heritage or a huge tv market. What do we offer?
Brand spanking new state of the art facilities and our own mountain! :D
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