[NotAJerry]

Who goes to jail if the government catches you lying? YOU
Who goes to jail if you catch the government lying? Nope, still YOU

What a disgusting, disgraceful, cowardly, and sadly predictable decision from the gestapo court.

[Purple Haize]

Over react much? He didn't get convicted of espionage. He got basically convicted of theft, which he did do. Going to an outfit like WikiLeaks does not make you a patriot or whistleblower. I would have liked to see him convicted of treason because his leaks caused American deaths.

[thepostman]

Who goes to jail if the government catches you lying? YOU
Who goes to jail if you catch the government lying? Nope, still YOU

What a disgusting, disgraceful, cowardly, and sadly predictable decision from the gestapo court.

You do realize the man is in the military and the fact alone he is wrong in what he did. I get where you are coming from but as a military member you can not do things that put others in danger. This is not at all comparable to Snowden simply because Snowden was not a military member and did not take an oath and what he released did not put military members in danger. Agree with the wars or not, leaking the stuff Manning did was absolutely irresponsible and probably caused someone within the military to get killed.

It annoys me you would even try to relate the two together. It screams complete and utter ignorance.

[NotAJerry]

Over react much? He didn't get convicted of espionage. He got basically convicted of theft, which he did do. Going to an outfit like WikiLeaks does not make you a patriot or whistleblower. I would have liked to see him convicted of treason because his leaks caused American deaths.

The judge and the prosecutor both disagree with you. They both acknowledged that nothing he leaked endangered anyone beyond the scope that they normally would have faced. He blew the whistle on war crimes and got punished for it. Welcome to doing what's right being criminal.

[thepostman]

so now you are sticking up for the system? Make up your mind

[Purple Haize]

so now you are sticking up for the system? Make up your mind

You beat me to it.

[thepostman]

also to be honest he got off on that because there wasn't any way of proving it but talk to anybody over in the Sh** right this second and they will tell you it doesn't take much to get people ticked off over there. Leaking this stuff only makes it that much harder for the guys over there.

I am not saying you have to be for the wars or even happy with our government. But as a military member you have the obligation, because of the oath we freely gave, to keep eachother safe. Releasing these documents to the public did not do that.

Anybody comparing Manning to Snowden is completely and utterly ignorant like I said earlier. There is just no way else to explain sticking up for Manning

[NotAJerry]

"The further a society drifts from truth the more it will hate those who speak it." - George Orwell

Manning is more of a hero, and has more guts, than 99% of the oafs who murder random brown people because someone in a matching outfit tells them to. We need a lot more folks like this kid, those who will speak the truth regardless of the consequences, than we do of the small minded morons who will kill anyone just to defend 'Murica.

What the US military is doing, and has been doing, for 40+ years is criminal. Blind patriotism is idolatry at best. What they're doing now throughout the Middle East, and are clearly angling to do in Iran next, is despicable. To defend it is disgusting and as antichrist a position as you can take on human life. Anyone who goes along with it because of an oath is just as guilty as the scumbags that are in charge. The clear, biblical approach to something as sinful as what Manning saw going on is to do whatever it takes to stop it. Bradley Manning was right in this situation and the world will be a better place if more folks like him are willing to expose the evil that is being done by bullies like the US military.

Who exactly is the US military putting in jail for the 66,081 civilian deaths in Iraq? Manning isn't the problem, people who don't have a biblical value of human life are.

[Purple Haize]

What the crap are you talking about? Glad to see you support our troops
When you join the military certain rights etc are forfeit and you are now governed by the Uniform Code of Military justice. He violated that and people most likely died because of it.
Of course I'm trying to figure out how 66,081 civilians were murdered in Iraq and it is the Military's fault. I mean that was like a long weekend to Sadaam and his boys. I know there has been a couple of incidents where US Troops went nuts and killed folks. But not 66,081!

[jbock13]

But infowars says we've killed a million zillion trillion. I believe it.

I think we all agree Iraq was misguided in hindsight. It doesn't make it murder. It just means we screwed up, and we should get out. But the military industrial complex wont let it happen.

[thepostman]

I had a long rant written out...it, however, is not worth posting

I am in the Air Force. Active Duty. What you just posted notajerry is a complete disgrace. And this comes from someone who isn't even mr. military.

Ignorance

[Purple Haize]

But infowars says we've killed a million zillion trillion. I believe it.

I think we all agree Iraq was misguided in hindsight. It doesn't make it murder. It just means we screwed up, and we should get out. But the military industrial complex wont let it happen.

I don't think Iraq was misguided at all. I certainly know the Kurds don't either. Not to mention the thousands of people that Sadaam and his goons would have raped and slaughtered.
I say it was long over due. In hindsight we can thank the Turks and the Pakistani's (Torah Bora) for making it a lot more difficult then t needed to be. Add in a dose of Rumsfeld Ego as well

[jbock13]

But infowars says we've killed a million zillion trillion. I believe it.

I think we all agree Iraq was misguided in hindsight. It doesn't make it murder. It just means we screwed up, and we should get out. But the military industrial complex wont let it happen.

I don't think Iraq was misguided at all. I certainly know the Kurds don't either. Not to mention the thousands of people that Sadaam and his goons would have raped and slaughtered.
I say it was long over due. In hindsight we can thank the Turks and the Pakistani's (Torah Bora) for making it a lot more difficult then t needed to be. Add in a dose of Rumsfeld Ego as well

And what are they doing now that Sadaam is gone? Slaughtering and raping each other.

[Purple Haize]

Sunni and Shia sure. It's the Islamic version of the Hatfields and McCoys. But the Kurds are doing quite well and the violence and pillaging is much more isolated then under Sadaam. Far fewer suicide bombers in Israel, now that his financial support to the families isnt there. And the big point is that the world is a better and safer place with him no longer around.

[jbock13]

And the big point is that the world is a better and safer place with him no longer around.

Not sure how this statement can be validated. For example, Quaddfi (or however you spell it) wasn't a great guy, but he tended to keep terrorists elements out of the country. But now, democracy in the Middle East is ripe for the breeding of extremism. We saw that in Libya, Syria, and the jury is still out on Egypt.

However, you are correct that the genocide of the Kurds makes it very complex.

[Purple Haize]

And the big point is that the world is a better and safer place with him no longer around.

Not sure how this statement can be validated. For example, Quaddfi (or however you spell it) wasn't a great guy, but he tended to keep terrorists elements out of the country. But now, democracy in the Middle East is ripe for the breeding of extremism. We saw that in Libya, Syria, and the jury is still out on Egypt.

However, you are correct that the genocide of the Kurds makes it very complex.

Muamar (his first name) was a different story. Remember after we went into Iraq he was very eager to turn over his WMD supplies, contacts, etc. He also didnt take pot shots at out our planes after Reagan whereas Sadaam did. He also didnt invade neighbors like Sadaam did to Kuwait and threaten to with Saudi Arabia. He also pretty much kept to his neighborhood. Also, I think the last few years he had a cozy relationship with the CIA and other alphabet agencies. He was a scoundrel but unlike Sadaam he was able to be contained.
I know this is where we differ on foreign policy and that's fine. Until you start talking out your patooty about killing little brown men! I will say that these 'democratic' movements are influenced by force in the likes of Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood who then dismantle the very system that put them in power in the first place. It's why I was a fan of the coup that can't be called a coup in Egypt.

( I was also trying to set a record for how many times I could use the word also in a post)

[jbock13]

Until you start talking out your patooty about killing little brown men!

That was NAJ. Even I would never say anything quite that asinine.

[Purple Haize]

Until you start talking out your patooty about killing little brown men!

That was NAJ. Even I would never say anything quite that asinine.

HA. I know I was just pointing it out ha