[ATrain]

Something still doesn't add up here. The kid lying is absolutely inexcusable, but did somebody seriously squeal on the guy simply for having hunting rifles in his car? Because that's just stupid.

And no, I'm not a believer in federal property being a good excuse for terrible laws.

I'm allowed to have a gun in the parking lot, either on my person or in my car, but not in my building. I think both the building and parking lot are federal property.

[adam42381]

The following comes directly from the Johnston County Schools Student Code of Conduct:

Principals and other school officials are authorized to involve law enforcement in serious violations in any category and are required to involve law enforcement in cases involving assault resulting in serious injury, assault involving the use of a weapon, assault on school personnel (not resulting in serious injury), bomb threat, burning of a school building, death by other than natural causes, kidnapping, possession of alcoholic beverage, possession of controlled substance in violation of the law, possession of a firearm or powerful explosive, possession of a weapon (excluding firearms and powerful explosives), rape, robbery with a dangerous weapon, robbery without a dangerous weapon, sexual assault (not involving rape or sexual offense), sexual offense, or taking indecent liberties with a minor. In such cases, school officials shall cooperate fully with the law enforcement agency. Internal disciplinary proceedings shall take place independently from the criminal investigation and prosecution.

34. Possession or Use of a Firearm - Possessing, handling, using, transferring or bringing onto educational property, or to a school-sponsored curricular or extracurricular activity off of educational property, a firearm.

Consequence(s):
A student who brings a firearm onto school property shall be suspended for 365 calendar days unless the superintendent recommends placement in an alternative program approved by the Board of Education. Expulsion may be recommended if the student is fourteen years of age or older.( G.S. 115c-391 (d)(1)(2)(3) ).

[bballfan84]

If I see shotguns under the driver's seat of a car on campus at my school, you better believe I'm reporting that immediately.

Even though millions of Americans carry, both open and concealed each and every day? It's just so irrational. Anyway I don't mean to make the story about you but come on. Who goes around looking in other people's cars?

cmon man a gun on campus..in high school really. I am all about the 2nd amendment and adults open or conceal carry, but really high school??? thats a little too much

[thepostman]

Them dang liberals stealing them here guns.

[jbock13]

As for buildings, I don't agree with it but that's their right to decide. But if it's sitting in your car, it's not in your immediate possession (or, not on you). Thus, the gun can't accidently fire or just explode. Although people who think guns kill people routinely seem to believe this.

This isn't a complaint about liberals taking people's guns. In fact, liberalism has nothing really to do with this story. It's not political. This is a complaint about the lack of common sense. If a gun is sitting in a car, it's not going to to hurt you.

What's amazing is that gun violence is actually down at schools. But with the hyped up media, it doesn't appear that way.

[jbock13]

If I see shotguns under the driver's seat of a car on campus at my school, you better believe I'm reporting that immediately.

Even though millions of Americans carry, both open and concealed each and every day? It's just so irrational. Anyway I don't mean to make the story about you but come on. Who goes around looking in other people's cars?

You are really starting to sound like a troll. I'm a high school teacher. I am legally responsible to report weapons on campus. If I see them in a student's car, of course I'm reporting them. The kid knew he had guns in his car, he deserves what's coming to him.

Not meaning to come across that way to you. I just have disagreements I guess.

[thepostman]

Because kids in high school never break into other kids' cars or anything.

[jbock13]

Because kids in high school never break into other kids' cars or anything.

True. But then again, a zero tolerance policy on weapons stopped the Virginia Tech shootings from occurring. Or did it?

[thepostman]

Which makes just leaving guns just laying on the floor of your truck even more dangerous.

[jbock13]

Which makes just leaving guns just laying on the floor of your truck even more dangerous.

But I'm not sure how it makes a difference. If someone wants to shoot up a school, they'll do whatever it takes to obtain a gun. Sure, you could use it for your point, but my point is that it really does not matter either way. Someone could bust into my business and steal my equipment this afternoon, even if I put up a no guns allowed sign, and even if the law states that it's illegal. Life is random chance. The good thing, is that there's a .9999999996% chance that it won't happen to me. As you know, we have government so that way we can prosecute these people who do such things.

It's a sad reality, but it's the reality of sin nature. Sick people will do sick things, no matter how bad we try to stop them. The problem is, in attempting to stop them, we criminalize good and decent people.

This kid lied, and of course that's not acceptable. But plenty of people have left guns and baseball bats in their car on school property, and have had their lives ruined due to stupid zero tolerance policies. I guess, somehow, leaving it in the back seat is worse than having it in the trunk, where no one would have known. It's the same "crime", but somehow much worse. I don't buy that logic.

[adam42381]

I guess, somehow, leaving it in the back seat is worse than having it in the trunk, where no one would have known. It's the same "crime", but somehow much worse. I don't buy that logic.

Small nitpick here: The kid couldn't have had the guns in the back seat if the barrel of one of the guns was near the gas pedal.

[jbock13]

I guess, somehow, leaving it in the back seat is worse than having it in the trunk, where no one would have known. It's the same "crime", but somehow much worse. I don't buy that logic.

Small nitpick here: The kid couldn't have had the guns in the back seat if the barrel of one of the guns was near the gas pedal.

True. But I wasn't referring directly to the story in my hypothesis. At least in my view it really doesn't matter where it's located.

[adam42381]

I guess, somehow, leaving it in the back seat is worse than having it in the trunk, where no one would have known. It's the same "crime", but somehow much worse. I don't buy that logic.

Small nitpick here: The kid couldn't have had the guns in the back seat if the barrel of one of the guns was near the gas pedal.

True. But I wasn't referring directly to the story in my hypothesis. At least in my view it really doesn't matter where it's located.

Fair enough.

[lynchburgwildcats]

The law is no guns at school. The kid knowingly had guns at school. He deserves whatever punishment he gets regardless of if you agree with the laws or not.

[jbock13]

The law is no guns at school. The kid knowingly had guns at school. He deserves whatever punishment he gets regardless of if you agree with the laws or not.

Hopefully you've never gone 36 in a 35 MPH zone

Remember, bad laws are nothing but good advice.

[ECUnited]

When will LU learn to not be so quick to embrace all of these individuals? Anybody remember the Carrie Prejean fiasco? Just makes me shake my head..... I'm all for supporting those that take a stand for 'doing the right thing', but they don't ever wait to let these things play out......

[flamehunter]

I think it's that whole striking while the iron is hot thing. Sometimes you burn yourself with hot iron.

[adam42381]

The law is no guns at school. The kid knowingly had guns at school. He deserves whatever punishment he gets regardless of if you agree with the laws or not.

Hopefully you've never gone 36 in a 35 MPH zone :I chortle audibly.:

Remember, bad laws are nothing but good advice.

So, we get to pick and choose which laws are good and which ones are just advice? Sweet. Anybody got any weed?

[jbock13]

The law is no guns at school. The kid knowingly had guns at school. He deserves whatever punishment he gets regardless of if you agree with the laws or not.

Hopefully you've never gone 36 in a 35 MPH zone :I chortle audibly.:

Remember, bad laws are nothing but good advice.

So, we get to pick and choose which laws are good and which ones are just advice? Sweet. Anybody got any weed?

What I mean is, bad laws punish good people. Note that this kid lied, so I have little sympathy for his individual case.

[adam42381]

So, we get to pick and choose which laws are good and which ones are just advice? Sweet. Anybody got any weed?

What I mean is, bad laws punish good people. Note that this kid lied, so I have little sympathy for his individual case.

Ok, I agree. I think we may just disagree about which laws are bad.

[bluedevilflame]

http://www.wnct.com/story/22274188/prin ... -his-truck

Liberty spokeswoman Johnnie Moore said in a statement, "Liberty University is pleased that the charges against Cole Withrow were reduced to a misdemeanor, but we still believe this is more punishment than he deserves."

Asked specifically about a scholarship, Moore said, "Liberty has not revoked its support of Cole Withrow."

Wow, just wow. I am sure there are thousands of more deserving students that would love that scholarship. This whole situation is ridiculous, especially now.

What a joke.

[adam42381]

If this kid keeps the scholarship, I'm thinking it will be the last straw for me with Liberty. Political agendas now take precedence over everything else. The law doesn't matter if you disagree, yet Liberty enforces their own petty rules as they see fit? Good to know.

Maybe I'm frustrated because I don't understand the thought processes that go into allowing someone like Johnny Moore to be a spokesman for the school when he is clearly a blowhard starved for attention.

[jbock13]

Agree. Isn't deception repremandable in the liberty way? Yet this kid lied and is still receiving a scholarship. Unbelievable.

[adam42381]

Agree. Isn't deception repremandable in the liberty way? Yet this kid lied and is still receiving a scholarship. Unbelievable.

At least we can agree on this one for the most part, jbock. I don't like any university being a political mouthpiece regardless of ideology. A university is there to educate. Leave the politics to someone else.

Since keeping politics separate from education doesn't seem to be an option with Liberty, I'm not sure I can - in good conscience - continue to associate myself with the school and their political agendas. I'm hoping Jr. will respond here letting us know that Johnnie Moore misspoke, but I won't be holding my breath.

[JK37]

Did the article really call him a spokesWOMAN?!