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By LUGrad2000
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adam42381 wrote:It's like Augusta National. You can't buy your way in, you get invited by your friends if you're lucky enough.
It took Bill Gates ten years to become a member. I am still trying.
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By TH Spangler
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logic wrote:
TH Spangler wrote:I also pray I live in a nation where my Faith doesn't keep my favorite college football team out of a NCAA conference. :dontgetit
"We are not a church. Our job is to educate."

-JLFJR


Is it our mission that of a political sounding board or higher education? Isn't it our graduates who are supposed to carry the conservative torch out into the wilds and hinterlands upon graduation from Old LU?
Maybe it's the "Training Champions For Christ" slogan that's upsetting the apple cart .... what do you suggest Logic :dontgetit
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By TallyW
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LU is more of a church than most churches I know. Convocation 3 times per week, prayer in every class, prayer leaders on the halls... I know that the goal is to become accepted but we need to just be who we are and be the best in the world at it.

What university on the left have you ever heard talk about needing to tone down their rhetoric?

While we'd all agree on certain comments being unnecessary, the far left has about 50 universities to what LU is on the right. I don't know of one liberal institution that has ever considered toning it down for the sake of acceptance by conservatives.

We do not need to be arrogant and angry but we also don't need to run from the fact that we have a very distinct biblical worldview. We may not be 'a' church, we certainly represent a large segment of 'the' Church.
By ballah09
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i agree with logic :dontgetit

and the difference is those liberal schools give those professors a freedom a speech, in which you're right they spew out a lot garbage but alot of those schools distance themselves either with disclaimers or apologizing. again see FAU. plus they allow conservative thinkers to teach.

you ever think Liberty would allow a progressive christian to teach and speak with a disclaimer like most those liberal schools have with their professors? a freedom a speech? example: Lehigh, a top school, has a well known intelligent design professor to teach science in michael behe (sp?) with a disclaimer. heck Oral Bob does it and they're just like Liberty.

plus liberty does there politics as a school. which is what alot of us is complaining about. none of us of are calling for them to turn to liberal theology like TCU.

Kevin Roose wrote a article on the subject
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/20 ... riage.html
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By TH Spangler
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ballah09 wrote:i agree with logic :dontgetit

and the difference is those liberal schools give those professors a freedom a speech, in which you're right they spew out a lot garbage but alot of those schools distance themselves either with disclaimers or apologizing. again see FAU. plus they allow conservative thinkers to teach.

you ever think Liberty would allow a progressive christian to teach and speak with a disclaimer like most those liberal schools have with their professors? a freedom a speech? example: Lehigh, a top school, has a well known intelligent design professor to teach science in michael behe (sp?) with a disclaimer.

hence Liberty having intolerant reputation.

plus liberty does there politics as a school. which is what alot of us is complaining about. none of us of are calling for them to turn to liberal theology like TCU.

Kevin Roose wrote a article on the subject
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/20 ... riage.html
Maybe you have chosen the wrong school? Liberty is not for everyone? There's 1000's of colleges?
By ballah09
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i guess i should've never furthered my education at christian school and developing my relationship with Jesus Christ? :roll: you would love to have liberty to stick out like a sore thumb.
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By TH Spangler
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What the heck are you talking about? .... I just thought you and Logic sounded so frustrated with the school ... it made me wonder why you pick it?
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By ballah09
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right. i'm going to burn my degree, stop supporting liberty, and cheer for baylor. :roll:

edit: because, we want to see Liberty to succeed in the Academic world, along with the athletics.
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By Purple Haize
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I was never sure how believing the Earth was created in 6 Literal Days, 6 Alegorical Days, 6 Billion years or 16 Trillion years had any effect on majors like Business, Marketing, Law etc. how does believing in Divine Creation really affect the determination of a Critical Trading Radius? Pedagogy? Income Statements? Pi? Just sayin
By ballah09
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not upset. just tongue in cheek comment to the "liberty is not for everyone" line when alumnus, students, staff, or faculty who actually love Liberty (for being such a spiritual place) bringing up concerns regarding politics, etc... or want to improve LU.
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By TH Spangler
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I hope DR Ben Carson runs for President. And I hope he makes another stop at Liberty U on the way to the White House. Is that a bad thing? I think it would be an honor for any University to host him.

And by the way Purple I think he believes the Earth was created in 6 literal Days .... can you believe he's wise enough to be the director of pediatric neurosurgery at Johns Hopkins! ... Wow!!

Okay that's it for me, nothing but realignment discussion from here on .... back on topic.
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By flamesfilmguy
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adam42381 wrote:
Purple Haize wrote:
adam42381 wrote:It's like Augusta National. You can't buy your way in, you get invited by your friends if you're lucky enough.
Are you a member of the Dark Side? If not you should be and if you are you just got promoted
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Welcome! :flamingdevil :batman
By Humble_Opinion
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TallyW wrote:LU is more of a church than most churches I know. Convocation 3 times per week, prayer in every class, prayer leaders on the halls... I know that the goal is to become accepted but we need to just be who we are and be the best in the world at it.

What university on the left have you ever heard talk about needing to tone down their rhetoric?

While we'd all agree on certain comments being unnecessary, the far left has about 50 universities to what LU is on the right. I don't know of one liberal institution that has ever considered toning it down for the sake of acceptance by conservatives.

We do not need to be arrogant and angry but we also don't need to run from the fact that we have a very distinct biblical worldview. We may not be 'a' church, we certainly represent a large segment of 'the' Church.
I believe you're mixing religion and politics in your comments. That's precisely what we're talking about getting away from. I'm not saying that we need to cut ties with conservative politics period. We just need to tone down the rhetoric and make sure those that represent us are doing so in a manner that keeps the Christian Mission to love others as Christ loved us. We don't need to get in a tit-for-tat battle with the left leaning universities in America. They provide enough rope to hang themselves with. We need to concentrate on challenging young folks to be loving, articulate, passionate ambassadors for Christ in all walks of life. That's what this is about. BYU has the same sort of conservative leaning beliefs as we do. They have an equivalent to the "Liberty Way", etc. You don't see many in the media going out of their way to attack them do you? They are respected by their liberal peers, and in time I believe we will be even more so.
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By Purple Haize
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TH Spangler wrote:I hope DR Ben Carson runs for President. And I hope he makes another stop at Liberty U on the way to the White House. Is that a bad thing? I think it would be an honor for any University to host him.

And by the way Purple I think he believes the Earth was created in 6 literal Days .... can you believe he's wise enough to be the director of pediatric neurosurgery at Johns Hopkins! ... Wow!!

Okay that's it for me, nothing but realignment discussion from here on .... back on topic.
Too bad he's a 7th Day Adventist. First the Mormons now these guys.
And it proves my point, his beliefs in a 6 day creation don't diminish his skills Just as the abiogenesis views of his colleagues lessen their skill in making Johns Hopkins world renouned.
It's still a game of who you know and right now we don't know too many people in key places
By Humble_Opinion
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Purple Haize wrote:
TH Spangler wrote:I hope DR Ben Carson runs for President. And I hope he makes another stop at Liberty U on the way to the White House. Is that a bad thing? I think it would be an honor for any University to host him.

And by the way Purple I think he believes the Earth was created in 6 literal Days .... can you believe he's wise enough to be the director of pediatric neurosurgery at Johns Hopkins! ... Wow!!

Okay that's it for me, nothing but realignment discussion from here on .... back on topic.
Too bad he's a 7th Day Adventist. First the Mormons now these guys.
And it proves my point, his beliefs in a 6 day creation don't diminish his skills Just as the abiogenesis views of his colleagues lessen their skill in making Johns Hopkins world renouned.
It's still a game of who you know and right now we don't know too many people in key places
If I remember correctly, you were one of Romney's biggest surrogates on FF. Some of your arguments actually helped bring me more on board with Romney. I really think that guy would've been a stellar president. And Ben Carson... that guy comes across as very humble and highly intelligent.

This interview with the guy is awesome: http://video.foxnews.com/v/225523773900 ... n-america/

Anyways, back to the topic at hand. FBS READY!!
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By jbock13
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I love these people who go, Ben Carson said something bad about the Obama! He should run for President! You don't even know who this guy is.

I have nothing against him, nor am I saying he's a bad person. But this flavor of the month worship from conservatives is pretty irritating.

Now, in an attempt to make this relevant to the thread topic, I hope we get an invite to the PAC 12 :D
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By Purple Haize
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Humble_Opinion wrote:
Purple Haize wrote:
TH Spangler wrote:I hope DR Ben Carson runs for President. And I hope he makes another stop at Liberty U on the way to the White House. Is that a bad thing? I think it would be an honor for any University to host him.

And by the way Purple I think he believes the Earth was created in 6 literal Days .... can you believe he's wise enough to be the director of pediatric neurosurgery at Johns Hopkins! ... Wow!!

Okay that's it for me, nothing but realignment discussion from here on .... back on topic.
Too bad he's a 7th Day Adventist. First the Mormons now these guys.
And it proves my point, his beliefs in a 6 day creation don't diminish his skills Just as the abiogenesis views of his colleagues lessen their skill in making Johns Hopkins world renouned.
It's still a game of who you know and right now we don't know too many people in key places
If I remember correctly, you were one of Romney's biggest surrogates on FF. Some of your arguments actually helped bring me more on board with Romney. I really think that guy would've been a stellar president. And Ben Carson... that guy comes across as very humble and highly intelligent.

This interview with the guy is awesome: http://video.foxnews.com/v/225523773900 ... n-america/

Anyways, back to the topic at hand. FBS READY!!
I was being sarcastic. I couldn't care less if he was a 7th Day Adventist or <gasp> Catholic. Glad you joined me on the losing team :?
By Humble_Opinion
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Gotcha PH... sorry didn't catch the sarcasm outright. I only wish certain others thought the same as you and I did.

JB... I hope you didn't construe my comments about Carson as an endorsement for president.

Why PAC-12? Just curious :)
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By Purple Haize
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Humble_Opinion wrote:Gotcha PH... sorry didn't catch the sarcasm outright. I only wish certain others thought the same as you and I did.

JB... I hope you didn't construe my comments about Carson as an endorsement for president.

Why PAC-12? Just curious :)
When in doubt, just make it your default assumption :D
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By michaeleyou
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LUconn wrote:
LUalumfromnc wrote: Most people are forced to go to Liberty. Some are Christians as well, but not crazy Christians.

Most rediculous comment I have EVER seen on this board!!
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By jbock13
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Humble_Opinion wrote: JB... I hope you didn't construe my comments about Carson as an endorsement for president.
Not you. Spangler. The only reason he wants Carson to be president is because he's the flavor of the month, and, dare I say it, the Herman Cain effect. I know it's rude, but it's true.

But I do like Herman Cain. Just not for president.
By JLFJR
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LUconn wrote:Who cares about Matt Barber? The only time I ever hear about this guy is when it comes to whiners whining about athletic conferences. He appears to be a loud guy with little tact. How many stupid stories to we read about every day about some idiot professes at State U making his class do some dumb thing that we get all outraged at? Yet they never seem to come up in conference realignment talk. I wonder why? Because it has nothing to do with athletics.
LUconn, you hit the nail on the head. Universities are supposed to be about the free expression of ideas. That's why you hear and see so many nutty left wing ideas from professors at secular universities. Nobody ever assumes that the professors' personal opinions are the official position of the university.

I am glad we have diverse viewpoints being expressed on the conservative sides of these issues from Matt Barber, Stuart Schwartz, Karen Prior and others. I would be disappointed if all our faculty and staff were in lock step on every issue but anyone with average intelligence knows that our people speak for themselves, not officially for the university. I think it is amusing that our critics have to go back a dozen years to find a statement by LU's top leadership to support their argument that Liberty is a bigoted school -- and they always ignore the fact that Dad apologized for that statement.

As a Christian university, Liberty hires only Christian professors who affirm the university's doctrinal statement. Beyond that, our faculty and staff have complete academic freedom. Liberty has no official position on party politics. Most of our students, faculty and staff are conservatives just like most of Harvard's students, faculty and staff are liberals. That doesn't mean Liberty is officially Republican or that Harvard is officially a Democratic school.

When the law school applied for ABA accreditation, many argued that, because Liberty's leadership over the years have been outspoken conservatives on theological and political issues, we would have difficulty because the ABA is so liberal. Just the opposite happened. The law school was accredited in record time. People in leadership at the ABA and in these athletic conferences don't base their decisions on whether or not they like a school's political or religious leanings. They are more professional than that and they like diversity. Liberty definitely provides them with that! As it turned out, the things that so many said would be negatives with the ABA actually helped Liberty in the accreditation process.

I believe Liberty is prospering, not only because our academic programs, facilities and athletics are continuing to improve, but because of our distinctiveness as a Christian university -- including our faculty's and staff's conservatism on theological and poltical issues, our code of conduct, our convocation services, and student missions trips. The world is full of liberal secular universities and the last thing it needs is another one. I believe the worst thing Liberty could ever do is try to hide who we are or what we believe.

Our distinctiveness as a conservative, Christian university will ultimately be what gets us invited to the FBS and that is what will attract many fans and players to Liberty once we get to FBS. I even had a billionaire in New York (not Donald Trump) tell me at a Hanukkah Party late last year that he believes Liberty's business model along with its unique blend of online and residential delivery and faith-based instruction will ultimately revolutionize higher education in this country.

4everfsu is right. Liberty will move to the FBS when the time is right. When we first announced our intentions, I told all the CEOs in the Big South that we might get an invitation to a FBS conference in 10 days and we might not get one for 10 years. I believe it will happen soon but, either way, everybody just needs to relax and enjoy all the great things that are happening at Liberty now!
And, Adam and PH, did you know today is the 40th anniversary of the release of the Dark Side of the Moon album or was it a coincidence that you posted the album cover today?
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By Purple Haize
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March 1, 1973 in the US. It was all over my Facebook page, I liked the page and got the updates. But bonus points for the reference! Too bad you are ineligible for membership in The Dark Side
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