If roundball is your blood, this is the place to discuss the Flames as they move into the Ritchie McKay era for the 2nd time.

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By NotAJerry
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I think the keys to next year are what most people think they are. A healthy Burrus, production from whomever replaces Speaks in the lineup, and some relief at PG for JCS and Davon.

Our low post rotation should be good. If Burrus is close to the 11 and 6 guy who can finish, we've got a major upgrade. I'd spend all summer working on a single low post move for Coronado and teach him one or two counters to it. If he can go from 5 and 8 up to 8 and 8 or better, we've suddenly got nearly 20 post points just from the likely starters. JVP's minutes would be limited again and I'd have him just focus on a good 10-15 defensive minutes a night with any offense being gravy. Smith is the wildcard. If he makes another jump like he did this year something like 7 or 8 and 5 from him should be expected with a blocked shot per game thrown in. He may even be able to give us more than that. Gielo, despite the disappearing act in Dayton, had a solid 7 and 4 this year. Help him figure out a consistent post move or two, in addition to his perimeter shooting, and you've got a real solid piece.

The wing is going to be interesting. If the Roberts who scored well against Georgtown, William & Mary, Morgan St. and the like shows up more consitently, he can pick up some of Speaks minutes. Both Smith and Gielo should be able to pick up some minutes at the 3 depending on who the opposition has on the floor. I could see some times with those two on the court where Smith plays 4 on offense and 3 on defense while Gielo plays 3 on offense and 4 on defense. The obvious wildcards are Alcegaire and Kemrite. If either of them can contribute on a consistent basis, it gives us a chance to replace Speaks offensively and we'll have to hope for the best defensively.

Point is an issue and I hope there's a legit recruit signed for the spot. If not, the key may be the hope that Taylor can do at PG what Smith did at SF/PF/C this year and become a solid rotation piece at least by conference play. Let's not forget that Smith didn't do much as a frosh either, playing only 4.4 minutes and giving us 1 and 1 per night. If Taylor can just give us 10-15 minutes a night of good play that would be a tremendous help to JCS and Davon.

I think the scoring ability of Burrus in the post cancels out the loss of Speaks overall, but schematically things will have to change a bit. It's nice to see so little turnover expected for next season and hopefully that translates into a good offseason and an improved regular season next year.
By Bigsouthking
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LUFlamesNation wrote:I have been told by people who would know, to expect Kemrite to challenge for conference freshman of the year. Take it for what it's worth.
Shocker, LU with hypothetical FOY. Only hear this every year. --- if I only won 11 regualr season ball games and started the season 0-8 I would probably look to improve my roster. Yes LU won the tournament but they are also 1 missed layup (High Point) from losing in the quarterfinals...
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By Cider Jim
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Bigsouthking wrote:they are also 1 missed layup (NC A&T) from WINNING a tournament game in the NCAAs and playing #1 Louisville in the 2nd round...
FIFY
By phoenix
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flamehunter wrote:
SuperJon wrote:The worst thing for next year's expectations is this year's run. Because our fans are stupid, they'll all think we're great and anything worse than a #2 preseason pick is wrong and blah, blah, blah.

We've got the potential. But we've got a lot of work. I'd expect 15-17 regular season wins.
Forget the fans and expectations, because we're mostly idiots any ways. What this run did, in my opinion, was give the players a ton of confidence. Take it for what it's worth but that could go a long way towards a good season next year, as long as they put in the work.
I'd agree with both of these. We have to remember that before the Big South tournament this was a pretty bad team, and we all thought so. This is a team that is still not solid, but had a really great run at the end of the season when it mattered.

It IS a team, however, whose mental attitude has improved greatly. It's a team that is confident. It's a team that has attracted some attention. I think we will see improvement next year, if for no other reason than if we don't, Coach Layer will be looking for a job.
By LUconn
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Anybody who was paying attention this past season knew there was talent enough to be winning games. The question was, would they put it together and be a good TEAM? There were good showings here and there but the inconsistency led us all to give up. But the fact is they finally did put it together so yes, I do expect this team to be good. Maybe not 20+ win good, but top 3 Big South and expectations to win the tournament (although that's given that I don't any any idea what is happening to any of the other teams this offseason)
By TIMSCAR20
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LUconn beat me to it but I was saying on the air and in private and on Flamefans that this team was talented enough to win the tournament and could beat anyone in this league. To me, they just started the season later than most due to all the injuries and new faces.

Once they got going and figured out roles and had a sense of purpose on offense, they became tough. Now they lost a few close games that could have been won (GW, Longwood, HPU, CSU etc) but they weren't bad. They were pretty bad in the 1st semester though due to a lack of defined roles, rotation and injuries.

I think this team with everyone being healthy could win a lot of games next season and certainly compete for another championship post season.

I disagree with everyone's assessment of Roberts. Kid can play. His role got reduced and that's why his production went down. He was the most efficient player on the team for about 15 games. The last month and a half he never played more than 3 min in a row at a time. Tough to get it going playing that way. I know from personal experience as well as observation.

There is a fine line between winning and losing most nights. I can think of 10 games that went into the L column that I think could have gone the other way with one or two plays being made. I mentioned a few but add in Morgan, Howard, the other HPU game in NC, even William and Mary (15 pt halftime lead blown) and of course A&T game.

As for the Bigs, the offense isn't designed to get them the ball. If they got it more they would score more. Joel wasn't good on Tuesday but he was a big reason why Liberty was there with his Big South Tournament play. Twan's ability to catch and score inside will alleviate the pressure on the perimeter that we saw teams do late in the season. It will take the ball out of JC and Davon's hands so much and reduce the TOs. Although I think Cabe was a thousand times better than what is being represented on this board. He got trapped and did over penetrate a few times but it was not an epidemic like is being portrayed. He had 9 assists and I know 3 plays where he was getting trapped and Davon got 3s our of it. I could go into what they were doing but I need a grease board.

In short, enjoy where the team finished and know that they will be improved next year (barring injuries).
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By Purple Haize
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I'd like to see your definition of "a few'. Also explain the shooting inside the arc? Now, next year if/when we have a post presence some of those drives will be post entry passes. With more options on offense I can see JC actually doing much better as maybe he won't feel he has to do so much and by extension have a great year for him and the team.
Bring your grease board, I'll bring the game film. :D
By TIMSCAR20
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Purple Haize wrote:I'd like to see your definition of "a few'. Also explain the shooting inside the arc? Now, next year if/when we have a post presence some of those drives will be post entry passes. With more options on offense I can see JC actually doing much better as maybe he won't feel he has to do so much and by extension have a great year for him and the team.
Bring your grease board, I'll bring the game film. :D
Haize,

you have to give A&T some credit for the trapping too. They were long and athletic and made it tough on everyone handling the ball. That being said, Cabe only had 3 TO's and I just looked at the final 3 minutes and he had 3 key assists when being trapped. I thought his decision making was pretty good. Once A&T figured out that they had to hug Davon to avoid getting screened on the pass out of the trap, Cabe was forced to call time out on one and he threw it away on another.

I'd love to watch the film with you Haize and show you what I am seeing. I'll keep this game on DVR and when you come to Richmond we will break it down. 9 assists to 3 TO's? I agree on some of the misses in the paint but they were all tough shots. He was finishing those shots in the conf tourney. Should you discourage him from getting to the basket because the shot wasn't falling? The result doesn't make it a bad play. That's like saying everytime you miss a shot, it was a bad shot. Just not the way it works as you know.
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By Purple Haize
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By definition every shot I took WAS a good shot, so I don't know of what you speak :D I can't say that for other people!
Again with the stats. I broke that down elsewhere, and didn't even need a grease board! :) I even said earlier that the 9-3 ratio was a pretty good number. If there was nothing more too it, that number would be excellent. What I took issue with is the running of the team. That is something he did very well during the Tournament. Yes, A and T did a nice job trapping. But he did not do a good job avoiding the traps. His TIme Outs came early in the half, but heres a thought, throw it off the defenders leg. I've seen that done once or twice. He had some nice plays down the stretch and a couple of defensive breakdowns by A and T helped a ton. There are just a lot of factors involved when you over penetrate and attempt shots you are not capable of making. The problem with making the 2 circus shots like that late are that sometimes you think it is the norm not the exception. I mean Coronado could probably come close to hitting 3-12 from the 3-point line, but I'm not sure it's where we want him.
The shooting inside the act is where his most improvement can come. Was it 3-12? That's indicative of a mindset. If he adds a nice floater or pull up jumper that number and mindset should improve. He can be a solid contributor but if next years team revolves around him, and he doesn't make those changes, we shouldn't expect a much different result. If he does make those changes then we should expect a positive change. He looks like he works hard and that bodes well for him making the changes necessary.
Ill break down DVR game film all day when ever I get the official invite to Chateau SCAR
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By Purple Haize
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SCAR wrote:Consider the invitation extended big fella. It will be good to hang out and eat some fattening food!
Are there any other kinds? :dontgetit
By jlread
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Can we Please get Tubby Smith for 13 - 14 season??? We pay Turner Gill more than he's worth how come we can't get Tubby? He would take 1.25Mill and Im sure we could start selling enough tickets to make half that up if he was here!!!!
By lynchburgwildcats
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jlread wrote:Can we Please get Tubby Smith for 13 - 14 season??? We pay Turner Gill more than he's worth how come we can't get Tubby? He would take 1.25Mill and Im sure we could start selling enough tickets to make half that up if he was here!!!!
So does that mean you want the Flames to have the annual Tubby Smith late season fade?
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By BJWilliams
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jlread wrote:Can we Please get Tubby Smith for 13 - 14 season??? We pay Turner Gill more than he's worth how come we can't get Tubby? He would take 1.25Mill and Im sure we could start selling enough tickets to make half that up if he was here!!!!
jlread, I love you brother, but whatever you took before you posted that...Id consider stopping...

Anyway, we dont even know if he would be an ideological fit for this institution...not to mention, were you hiding under a rock the last two plus weeks? You missed one of the most unexpected runs through the Big South tournament in recent memory. That said, I dont think youll see any change made to who is on the bench for Liberty next season outside of a new assistant to replace Coach Eaker.
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By Purple Haize
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BJWilliams wrote:
jlread wrote:Can we Please get Tubby Smith for 13 - 14 season??? We pay Turner Gill more than he's worth how come we can't get Tubby? He would take 1.25Mill and Im sure we could start selling enough tickets to make half that up if he was here!!!!
jlread, I love you brother, but whatever you took before you posted that...Id consider stopping...

Anyway, we dont even know if he would be an ideological fit for this institution...not to mention, were you hiding under a rock the last two plus weeks? You missed one of the most unexpected runs through the Big South tournament in recent memory. That said, I dont think youll see any change made to who is on the bench for Liberty next season outside of a new assistant to replace Coach Eaker.
He does have Virginia roots........
By olldflame
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Bigsouthking wrote:
LUFlamesNation wrote:I have been told by people who would know, to expect Kemrite to challenge for conference freshman of the year. Take it for what it's worth.
Shocker, LU with hypothetical FOY. Only hear this every year. --- if I only won 11 regualr season ball games and started the season 0-8 I would probably look to improve my roster. Yes LU won the tournament but they are also 1 missed layup (High Point) from losing in the quarterfinals...
2 comments for the King. First, the officials were very clear that the HP shot was after the buzzer and would not have counted if it had gone in, so the fact that it was missed is irrelevant. We played good defense on the play.

As far as hyping our recruits, I don´t think we can hold a candle to the guys on the Winthrop board. Remember the ¨Faison era¨? I wonder how he did in D2? The only 2 I remember really being hyped for FOY were Blair and Curry. I think both deserved it, and Curry won the award. I can´t remember if Larry did or not.
By jlread
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BJWilliams wrote:
jlread wrote:Can we Please get Tubby Smith for 13 - 14 season??? We pay Turner Gill more than he's worth how come we can't get Tubby? He would take 1.25Mill and Im sure we could start selling enough tickets to make half that up if he was here!!!!
jlread, I love you brother, but whatever you took before you posted that...Id consider stopping...

Anyway, we dont even know if he would be an ideological fit for this institution...not to mention, were you hiding under a rock the last two plus weeks? You missed one of the most unexpected runs through the Big South tournament in recent memory. That said, I dont think youll see any change made to who is on the bench for Liberty next season outside of a new assistant to replace Coach Eaker.

Oooooohhhh Aaaahhhh Layer is a God cause he did one thing right since he came to LU!! Its in Layer's best interest to leave while he's got some PR going for him and its in our best interest to add someone that can take us to the top!! Layer can't and wont, he had his chance and congrats on the Big south championship ( Hahaha but we won in arguably the worse D1 basketball conference in America)
By olldflame
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Tubby left the pressure cooker at Kentucky specifically to go to a place where expectations were not as high. He still managed to fall short of them, and in addition had multiple off court issues with his players. Even if I felt strongly Layer needed to be replaced and assumed money was no object, this guy would not be high on my list
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By bballfan84
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SCAR wrote:Still no mention of Wes? He's on the team and on Scholarship fellas. I don't know if Kemrite can come in and play or not but you have to figure Wes is further along in terms of practicing everyday and playing with this team. He and Burrus and Ethan were the scout team and getting this team prepared both at home and on the road. He could factor into the near future of Liberty hoops.

Davon played point most of the time. JC was a primary ball handler and driver so it may have appeared he was running the point but it seemed to me Davon started the offense and brought the ball up most of the time. You can win with 2 primary ball handlers. A "true" PG is not necessarily what is needed in my opinion.

Having a primary scoring option in Burrus down low will make this team a lot tougher to guard on the perimeter. There was a lot of isolation and one on one in the post with a lot of extended pressure and traps on the perimeter. That's how I would defend Liberty too. But next year it will be suicide to leave Burrus one on one with anyone in the paint. He will score all day.

Overall this team will be poised, barring injuries, to make another run.
I will mention Wes. Take it for what its worth I saw him play about 6 months ago. He has a lot of work to do. I was not impressed in the least bit. I actually think I could beat him right now. I wouldnt put much stock in him, however it would be awesome if he disproved me.
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By BJWilliams
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jlread wrote:
BJWilliams wrote:
jlread wrote:Can we Please get Tubby Smith for 13 - 14 season??? We pay Turner Gill more than he's worth how come we can't get Tubby? He would take 1.25Mill and Im sure we could start selling enough tickets to make half that up if he was here!!!!
jlread, I love you brother, but whatever you took before you posted that...Id consider stopping...

Anyway, we dont even know if he would be an ideological fit for this institution...not to mention, were you hiding under a rock the last two plus weeks? You missed one of the most unexpected runs through the Big South tournament in recent memory. That said, I dont think youll see any change made to who is on the bench for Liberty next season outside of a new assistant to replace Coach Eaker.

Oooooohhhh Aaaahhhh Layer is a God cause he did one thing right since he came to LU!! Its in Layer's best interest to leave while he's got some PR going for him and its in our best interest to add someone that can take us to the top!! Layer can't and wont, he had his chance and congrats on the Big south championship ( Hahaha but we won in arguably the worse D1 basketball conference in America)
jlread...I wonder every time I see a post from you whether or not you are an actual person (who I question should be anywhere near a computer) or a troll account just created to spout off. Layer certainly got himself next year to prove that he is capable of building on the success we achieved this season. We will be graduating six players in 2014, all of whom (except Ethan Layer and Antwan Burrus who both were redshirting) were significant cogs in this year's championship team.

I am not of the opinion (and Im sure no one else is either) that Layer somehow is "God" (There is only one God and frankly I dont think he would be wasting his time posting on any message board, much less this one), but I do believe that with the success that we achieved this year, winning the conference (which if I go back through the "something's gotta give" discussion was the only way he makes it past this season) and coming within one made basket of only becoming the second varsity sport to win an NCAA tournament game on the men's side, that making a change would not be in the best interest of the basketball program at this moment in time. It would be like firing RD (Jeff Meyer for PH's sake) after we won in 2004 and then lost to St Joe's in the tournament.

Im of the opinion that the negative PR that would be had for that move would certainly outweigh any positive PR that we have received from the run we had a few weeks ago.
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By RVAparks
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I have a question... why doesn't Liberty even try recruiting locally? It seems like if you added local talent with your JUCO/Home School pipeline that you would have a pretty good team. You essentially have no players from the state and the assistant hiring seem to be more aimed at focusing away from the state.

I think Liberty could really benefit by replacing Eaker with someone who has connections in the 804/757.

I just looked at the conference and roughly 30% of the makeup of each teams roster are players from their home state. So 3 or 4 players per team.
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