[BJWilliams]

I was watching this video on youtube recently:

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and I looked over the comments and a couple people (who probably dont know much about the rules of basketball Im guessing) claimed that there was a ten second violation (one said on the play. Was there a violation or is it just more youtube comment sour grapes on a pretty sweet play?

[Purple Haize]

Its not a 10 second call. If you wanted to be picky you could call a double dribble on the kid hiking the ball, but it would be a stretch. You would be perfectly within your right to call a T as there is a rule about the integrity of the game that was put in when you had people barking like dogs, running into the hall etc.
The bottom line is that it is only 2 points and there is a lot of basketball left to be played. And the other team is clueless on defense!

[Sly Fox]

Forgive my ignorance, but how would it be a double dribble?

[Purple Haize]

Forgive my ignorance, but how would it be a double dribble?

He has control of the ball and proceeds to put it on the floor while in control with two hands. It's similar to bouncing the ball with two hands.

[TIMSCAR20]

Also it was illegal motion from a football perspective. The receiver moved toward the line of scrimmage before the ball is hiked.

I can't believe that worked for an Alley Oop DUNK! Haize is right, that team on defense was sleeping.

[RubberMallet]

not sure how you can call 10 seconds when it clearly wasn't even 10 seconds from the time he secures the ball.

[Purple Haize]

not sure how you can call 10 seconds when it clearly wasn't even 10 seconds from the time he secures the ball.

Typical fan howler monkey response. Surprised no one wanted 3 seconds!

[lynchburgwildcats]

Can't really tell in the still frame because the video quality is poor, but a kid from the home team just grabbed the ball off the tipoff on this screen frame. Note the time is six seconds.


As you can see here easily, the home team has the ball in their hands, the kid in the bottom right corner just about the stupidvideos.com text. The time is 17 seconds.


17-6 = 11 seconds. That's a 10-second violation.

[Purple Haize]

Do you honestly think any official is going to start their 10 second count as soon as it touches a players hands? Plus you could also be looking at 10.2 seconds and most officials don't count in tents of a second. Plus you are dealing with a human not an electronic count so, again, this is well within an acceptable margin of error.
You probably want 3 second calls when kids shoot and miss continually in the lane

[thepostman]

doesn't a 3 seconds count get "restarted" once the ball hits the rim? Or is just kind of understood?

[Purple Haize]

doesn't a 3 seconds count get "restarted" once the ball hits the rim? Or is just kind of understood?

It gets restarted after the shot. No, it's not understood. Ha.

[lynchburgwildcats]

Do you honestly think any official is going to start their 10 second count as soon as it touches a players hands? Plus you could also be looking at 10.2 seconds and most officials don't count in tents of a second. Plus you are dealing with a human not an electronic count so, again, this is well within an acceptable margin of error.
You probably want 3 second calls when kids shoot and miss continually in the lane

Acceptable margin of error I do not disagree, but it is still technically a 10-second violation. And no, three second call restarts on shots, but I don't watch women's basketball so I don't get the displeasure to watch such sequences with frequency.

[Purple Haize]

You must not watch Big East basketball as well.

[lynchburgwildcats]

You must not watch Big East basketball as well.

I try not to watch the most overrated league in history.

[Purple Haize]

You must not watch Big East basketball as well.

I try not to watch the most overrated league in history.

The ACC championship game had oodles of missed lay ups

[lynchburgwildcats]

You must not watch Big East basketball as well.

I try not to watch the most overrated league in history.

The ACC championship game had oodles of missed lay ups

And only two of them resulted in another immediate missed layup which is essentially the sequence originally described. In women's hoops that's like a perfect game.

[RubberMallet]

Can't really tell in the still frame because the video quality is poor, but a kid from the home team just grabbed the ball off the tipoff on this screen frame. Note the time is six seconds.


As you can see here easily, the home team has the ball in their hands, the kid in the bottom right corner just about the stupidvideos.com text. The time is 17 seconds.


17-6 = 11 seconds. That's a 10-second violation.

have you ever watched basketball before? on what planet does a ref immediately start counting down after a tip off?

[BJWilliams]

That's my thinking as well. The count (correct me if Im wrong PH) would begin after establishment of possession after the tipoff because possession is still in doubt

[lynchburgwildcats]

That's my thinking as well. The count (correct me if Im wrong PH) would begin after establishment of possession after the tipoff because possession is still in doubt

Possession starts off the tip off when a team controls the ball. That's what the first screen shot is.

[BJWilliams]

Watch the referee in the middle of the picture throughout the first part of the video and look at when he starts counting, not necessarily the timestamp of the video

[Purple Haize]

That's my thinking as well. The count (correct me if Im wrong PH) would begin after establishment of possession after the tipoff because possession is still in doubt

Possession starts off the tip off when a team controls the ball. That's what the first screen shot is.

You can have possession without having control. Once you understand that you will begin to see that calling a 10 sec violation here is ridiculous.
Officials are generally liberal in their interpretation of that when it comes to any 10 second count. Further, you have to consider the the mechanics of a toss. The official has to toos, back away, establish who is going where and put their whistle in their mouth. At that point the will maybe start the 10 count.

[lynchburgwildcats]

You can have possession without having control.

Are you clueless? That does not apply in the least bit to this particular situation...

[Purple Haize]

You can have possession without having control.

Are you clueless? That does not apply in the least bit to this particular situation...

Um. Yes it does.

[BJWilliams]

As he admitted elsewhere, he is being a troll as he always does (under a new name each time)...the mods just havent seen fit to toss him like they do checkmate and all his "friends"