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By Sly Fox
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Yeah, its the same old lousy carrier. But today they unveiled their first new design since I was in diapers back in '68.

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They obviously are on the verge of completely disappearing from existence as they trudge through bankruptcy yet again. They also are in talk to merge with US Airways. In the meantime, they have launched a campaign to change their horrible public image.

Click Here for AA Video

Yeah, I have gold status with them as my secondary carrier since they are based in Dallas. But the horrible planes and terrible service needs fixed much more than a paint job on their planes.
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By Sly Fox
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RubberMallet wrote:i haven't flown through AA in years.
That is surprising. It seems on the rare occasions when I work in your region I usually have to fly American Eagle into tiny airports like the Quad Cities.

I used to claim Continental as my preferred carrier. After the merger, I use the term primary carrier in regard to United. Ugh. But at least I don't have to fly Southwest that often these days.
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By RubberMallet
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Sly Fox wrote:
RubberMallet wrote:i haven't flown through AA in years.
That is surprising. It seems on the rare occasions when I work in your region I usually have to fly American Eagle into tiny airports like the Quad Cities.

I used to claim Continental as my preferred carrier. After the merger, I use the term primary carrier in regard to United. Ugh. But at least I don't have to fly Southwest that often these days.
we still have AA in our airport but since they pulled themselves from many travel sites (or at least the ones i use) and that i try and avoid at all costs any flight into ohare. it just works out that way.

delta gives me the ability to easily hub through minneapolis, detroit, or atlanta, all very much more preferable to than ohare.
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By alabama24
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Sly Fox wrote:I consider O'Hare & Hartsfield to be equally atrocious. I agree on Minneapolis & Detroit providing better flight experiences.
Detroit has to give a good flight experience... Everyone wants to get out of town. :lol:
By ATrain
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I've flown US Air, United and Southwest. Southwest beats the other two by far. Thankfully they fly into Norfolk so I don't have to drive to Raleigh anymore.
By Humble_Opinion
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Sly have you not had good experiences with Southwest? I don't fly too often, but I've used them the most.

We flew United about 3 years ago on a trip to Mexico and overall the experience was pretty good. The only bad part was my brother's fault. The night before we left he decided to take advantage of the lower drinking age in Mexico and then had a burger at Johnny Rocket's (In the airport at Cancun) before boarding. He proceeded to throw up on the plane in midair. Keep in mind this was during the swine flu scare... The flight attendant told us that if he got any sicker on the plane that they might quarantine the plane when we landed in Chicago... It was an interesting end to an otherwise great trip.
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By Sly Fox
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The United of 3 years ago was awful and is only slightly better today after the merger. Continental was an awesome carrier but post-merger the whole operation dropped dramatically.

I fly all of the major domestic carriers regularly except JetBlue, Frontier & Alaska. I would probably name Delta as my favorite domestic carrier but I don't fly them often because they don't service IAH much. American & US Airways are equally disappointing so a merger makes sense.

Southwest typically costs more than other competitors because they include the cost of checked bags in everyone's tickets whether you carry-on or not. I guess I have become spoiled heading to the airport always knowing that I had the seat I wanted waiting on me because I hate the SWAir cattle calls. The planes tend to be old 737s with tired flight crews repeating the same jokes for the millionth time. It quit being fresh decades ago. Typically the only city that I choose to fly Southwest above other options is Chicago. I love Midway. Otherwise I fly United into Love Field cheaper than Southwest and I don't have to drive an hour+ across Houston to get to Hobby. Southwest is now the largest domestic carrier upon completion of the merger and they have been resting on their laurels since the Herb Kelleher days.

Of course, all domestic carriers are lame compared to most international carriers I fly like Lufthansa, Qantas, Emeriates & El Etihad. And don't even get me started on the premium carriers that head to the Pacific Rim & India. It is like a luxury hotel in the sky.

Oh well, back to American Eagle props into postage stamp airports for me the next couple of weeks.
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By SeoulFlame
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Emirates, Singapore Air, Korean Air, Thai Air none better. I never fly on any US carrier when I come back to the states. These asian airlines know how to do it right. Makes me kind of sad that we don't know how to have great service any more in the US.
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By jbock13
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I'm always amazed at the horror stories people have regarding the airlines... as much as I've flown and I've never had a single issue. It'll catch up with me some day.
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By Sly Fox
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In the last 18 months have had more horror stories than in the many years that preceded them. With fuel costs high and unions tightening their grips, profit margins for airlines are either paper thin or in some cases non-existent. As a result, customer service and operating on time have suffered immensely across the board at U.S. carriers.

Keep in mind that most of the international carriers we have referenced are at least partially or fully owned by their host governments. So they aren't quite as beholden to the tight margins as the domestic carriers.
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By TH Spangler
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Sly Fox wrote:unions tightening their grips, profit margins for airlines are either paper thin or in some cases non-existent.
Airline fares today are the best deal in United States, complementary of the industries employees via bankruptcy, huge pay cuts, loss of pensions and retirement healthcare benefits, employee layoffs, and outsourcing.
Airfares Facts

In round figures, and in inflation adjusted dollars, airfares today are almost three times cheaper than they were in the late 1970s.

There is various data out there offering differing versions of this statistic, depending on the sources of the data they are using and the time period over which they are measuring the change. A July 2010 Wall St Journal article refers to the cost to fly one mile in 1977 as being 8.42c and in 2009, it was 13.5c. The article says that 8.42c in 1977 equates to 'more than 30c' in today's money. That would suggest fares are 2.22 times cheaper.

The WSJ article cites the Air Transport Association as the source of its figures. I can't find the data on their website, but they do have this fascinating page that shows airfare costs in 1978 (rather than 1977) and 2009 (with a different number than that quoted in the WSJ), plus a series of comparisons for other goods and services over the 21 years too. The ATA table shows that domestic air travel costs per mile increased from 8.49c in 1978 up to 12.07c in 2009, an increase of 42%. This contrasts with a weighted CPI that went from 65.2 up to 214.5 over the same period. In other words, the 8.49c in 1978 is the same as 27.93c in today's money, which contrasts with the actual cost of 12.07c - ie, 2.31 times cheaper.

There's one other interesting fact in this table - a table which is crammed full of fascinating facts great for your next trivial pursuit game. Note how the (unindexed for inflation) cost of international travel increased by 52%, compared to the unindexed increase of 42% for domestic travel. When you consider that international travel, although also now vastly less regulated than domestic travel, is still somewhat more regulated, this would seem to gently show, from another dimension, the benefits of greater deregulation.

There is plenty of anecdotal evidence about fares being lower as well, and as in any situation, when one looks only at averages, one overlooks some of the better bargains that are now possible that weren't possible before (due to restrictions on discounting). In other words, the average fare might be 2.3 times less expensive, but a bit of careful shopping around might find you a fare that is now 5 times cheaper than before.

For example, a roundtrip ticket between New York and Los Angeles was $208 in 1958, which translates to $1570 in today's (2010) money. And whereas you'd fly nonstop today, you'd probably have made one or two stops back then.

http://www.thetravelinsider.info/airlin ... ation2.htm
Southwest is slowly moving to the fee based business model .... they never changed it at Airtran after the merger.

Today buy a truly cheap seat and then add "only" the services you want.

If airfare had adjusted with CPI to match groceries, gas, and rent the airlines would be able to provide red carpet service to everyone that boards.
Last edited by TH Spangler on January 24th, 2013, 11:56 am, edited 2 times in total.
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By jbock13
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That's what I loved about the Allegiant Air model. It's cheap, and you get what you pay for. But if you want a soda, pay for it yourself. I like that. It gives the consumer choices.
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By Sly Fox
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I agree completely, TH Spangler. That's why it is cheaper for me to fly than drive even to places only a few hours drive away. But the cheap fares have come at a cost. As a leisure traveler the cheap fares are awesome.

As a business traveler, I am more concerned about getting from place to place on time. I'll pay a premium for me to not miss my next day's appointment. But unfortunately I am spending way too many days stuck in airport hotels overnight in a layover city when I should be working. As a consultant, I only get paid if I work. So it is not just about inconvenience but actual loss of income when I am stuck in Charlotte or Minneapolis.

Have I mentioned how much I miss Continental lately?
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By TH Spangler
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My old Piedmont Airlines boss, Gordon, ran good airlines .... we all miss him.

Believe it or not US Airways has been the most on-time airline since 2008. Doesn't say much for the rest does it? Since US traded it's LGA mess to Delta for their DCA slots it's even better.

I think you will be seeing a lot of the New American paint in LYH soon. I look for a merger between AA and US any day.
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By Sly Fox
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I've flown some of the other Virgin regionals and they have been OK. The only time I have flown Virgin America it was after I was switched over due to a cancelled flight. I really don't want to base a judgement on me being stuffed into a middle seat on an overcrowded flight that didn't make my connection. But Virgin America has such a small flight schedule it is tough to find.

If the merger does occur, the random miles I have with US Airways will suddenly be of value combined with my American haul. I might be able to squeak a free flight or two over for football games.
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By TH Spangler
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Sly Fox wrote:If the merger does occur, the random miles I have with US Airways will suddenly be of value combined with my American haul. I might be able to squeak a free flight or two over for football games.
That'll work!
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By El Scorcho
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Okay, knowledgeably fliers. Here are your options:

A shorter flight on US Air
A longer flight on United
An even longer flight on Delta

Any of them significantly better to be worth taking the longer flight?
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