[adam42381]

I'm straying from the topic a bit, but the article raised another question for me: is this carrying?

[Kolzilla41]

If you mean carrying the program at one point, yes....It still hurts to see this. Anyone else?

[lynchburgwildcats]

I'm straying from the topic a bit, but the article raised another question for me: is this carrying?

As far as I know that would be if he continued his dribble.

[TIMSCAR20]

We are assuming he is in the middle of a dribble. That could be in the receipt of a pass. Not sure why I am commenting on something so silly I think this article left out some really good programs like Xavier, Gonzaga, Santa Clara, Davidson and ODU. I know it wasn't to be all inclusive. I think with Butler and VCU going to the Atlantic 10, the term mid-major may be inaccurate. I know Xavier plays in the A-10 too before anyone corrects me. Just saying that the A-10, although not a "BCS conference" is very significant and legitimate in basketball these days.

There is no doubt that a high level of success can be achieved by any school with the NCAA tournament set up though.

[Bigsouthking]

Curry always carried while dribbling.... Still does.
Curry worst defender in Liberty program since probably Karl Hess, as someone once told me, 'we tried to hide Hess on the defensive end' ---
Curry was held scoreless in the 2nd half of Big South semi final game (his last Big South game BTW) vs the supposedly bad defensive team of VMI... Way to step up Curry.
Now Curry looks great being a 5th year senior at Duke, cause Duke has no lottery picks this year, (bad recruiting by K and weak 2012 class look at UNC/Ky freshman for proof) except Plumlee but he isn't a guard like Rivers or Irving...
But IMO when the going gets tough later in the year, Curry true colors will show and he'll choke....maybe he'll prove me wrong but hasn't so far when tournament time comes around..

Sorry off topic, but I can't wait to Curry is sitting in D league or Europe next year and I don't have to read about or hear about him.... Way over rated!!!

[adam42381]

Curry always carried while dribbling.... Still does.
Curry worst defender in Liberty program since probably Karl Hess, as someone once told me, 'we tried to hide Hess on the defensive end' ---
Curry was held scoreless in the 2nd half of Big South semi final game (his last Big South game BTW) vs the supposedly bad defensive team of VMI... Way to step up Curry.
Now Curry looks great being a 5th year senior at Duke, cause Duke has no lottery picks this year, (bad recruiting by K and weak 2012 class look at UNC/Ky freshman for proof) except Plumlee but he isn't a guard like Rivers or Irving...
But IMO when the going gets tough later in the year, Curry true colors will show and he'll choke....maybe he'll prove me wrong but hasn't so far when tournament time comes around..

Sorry off topic, but I can't wait to Curry is sitting in D league or Europe next year and I don't have to read about or hear about him.... Way over rated!!!

The kid is the second leading scorer on the #1 team in the country. He is a similar player to his brother who is averaging 20 ppg in the NBA. I think almost everything you wrote there is ridiculous. He may not be a good defender, but to say he's probably the worst defensive player that has played at Liberty since 1980 is ignorant.

[Purple Haize]

Curry's defense is much better now than when he was at LU
Curry currently has a severe foot problem that will probably cause him to break down by the end of the year
Curry, and this is surprising considering his time at LU, is a much better team player than Irving and certainly Rivers
When has Duke ever had more than 1 let alone any Lottery picks?
If he plays in the EuroLeague he will be making a pretty solid chunk of change and have a Professional career longer than just about anyone in LU history
Is he a great player? Probably not. But he is pretty darn good

[adam42381]

My hijacking is completed.

[Purple Haize]

My hijacking is completed.

I can think of much worse defenders than Curry who have played at LU.

[Bigsouthking]

Haize. You act on this board like you have basketball knowledge, your laughable dude...

Duke lottery picks last 2 years = Austin Rivers and Kyrie Irving....in 1999 they had about 5 Elton Brand and his teammates....

Reason Curry didn't play much or do much scoring(look at Michigan St box score 2 years ago Curry played 2 minutes) until this year cause Duke had Irving and Curry....

Yes I admit Curry is a nice shooter, smart player, comes from basketball family so he should be.... Be it was the perfect storm for him and his brother at Davidson to be what they were... Jesse and having preseason POY Smitty as his teammates took a lot of pressure off Curry to where he could just shoot! And that he did a lot! He still was a crappy teammate and if you ask any of those LU guys they would honestly admit it...

You average fans see scoring and think that's everything in hoops, there is so much more to it than that fellas....

[SuperJon]

I think the article was spot on.

[adam42381]

Reason Curry didn't play much or do much scoring(look at Michigan St box score 2 years ago Curry played 2 minutes) until this year cause Duke had Irving and Curry........

He averaged 9 points in 25 minutes his first year at Duke. He averaged 13 points in 30 minutes his second year at Duke. This year he's averaging 16 points in 30 minutes. I wouldn't say he didn't play much or do much scoring those first 2 years. Also, not to nitpick, but Curry played 7 minutes vs. Michigan State. You seem to be really reaching to make the guy look bad.

http://scores.espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=303350150

[Purple Haize]

Haize. You act on this board like you have basketball knowledge, your laughable dude...

Duke lottery picks last 2 years = Austin Rivers and Kyrie Irving....in 1999 they had about 5 Elton Brand and his teammates....

Reason Curry didn't play much or do much scoring(look at Michigan St box score 2 years ago Curry played 2 minutes) until this year cause Duke had Irving and Curry....

He still was a crappy teammate and if you ask any of those LU guys they would honestly admit it...

You average fans see scoring and think that's everything in hoops, there is so much more to it than that fellas....

You are right, I don't have that Upward coaching experience, so my basketball knowledge may be limited.
The last 2 years they had lottery picks. What about before then? Wouldn't those be the exception and not the rule? In 1999, that team was loaded but let me check my Mayan calendar......that was 14 years ago. Again, exception, not the rule.
I've read somewhere that it is possible for players to improve over the course of their playing careers. Now, I could be wrong but maybe that happened in Curry!s case
Ditto with being a team mate. Sometimes people mature and grow up. I'm sure he was not a good team mate at LU. I'm sure he carried that attitude with him to Duke. But maybe, and I'm spit balling here, he grew up some. He may even have bought into what Coach K wants done more so than he did with McKay. It is entirely feasible that he is a much better person, player and team mate now, as a fifth year Senior, then he was as a Freshman.
As for offense, you can't score if you don't shoot. No team has ever won by scoring fewer points than their opponents!

[olldflame]

I think the article provides an interesting perspective. There certainly was a day when LU was a basketball school, and for me those were exciting times. Basketball has always been my favorite sport though, and I know that puts me in the minority, and not just at LU. Basically, the USA is a country obsessed by football. Mike Greenburg likes to say that Americans love football more than they love anything, and if he isn´t spot on, he isn´t far off. But................ if national recognition in sports is our goal, I don´t think there is any question basketball can get us there a lot quicker than football.

[Purple Haize]

If you are looking at ROI, basketball is by far a much better avenue than football. We used to be a 'basketball school' and the success and student support should that. Now we are trying to be a 'football school' and the attendance shows that.

[adam42381]

I agree that basketball should be a much higher priority at Liberty. Making deep runs in the NCAA tournamet would open up a lot of eyes to what is going on around the mountain. While the move to FBS is a great goal, it shouldn't detract from the overall vision of competing at the highest level in all aspects of athletics.

[LUconn]

Naming names like VCU, GMU, Butler. There are only a few teams out of hundreds that have accomplished what they have. Think about how we would give our firstborn to have the decade that Winthrop had. And they won, one tournament game. Almost won 2. They were never a household name and at this point are no better off than the rest of us. In some cases, these final 4 runs were lightning in a bottle. I'm not saying these programs were awful and got hot one year. In fact they all seem to have been consistently decent to good. I mean heck, VCU and GMU both were not even supposed to be in the tournament in their respective FF runs.

Basically what I'm getting at is that even if you have your pick of sure fire great coaches, and we pour and pour money in, it STILL has to be the perfect storm to get your program into that situation.

[adam42381]

Excellent point. Liberty would love to be able to do what Winthrop did between 1999-2010. The resources are there, but the recruiting/coaching doesn't seem to be at the level it should be.

[Sly Fox]

Naming names like VCU, GMU, Butler. There are only a few teams out of hundreds that have accomplished what they have. Think about how we would give our firstborn to have the decade that Winthrop had. And they won, one tournament game. Almost won 2. They were never a household name and at this point are no better off than the rest of us. In some cases, these final 4 runs were lightning in a bottle. I'm not saying these programs were awful and got hot one year. In fact they all seem to have been consistently decent to good. I mean heck, VCU and GMU both were not even supposed to be in the tournament in their respective FF runs.

Basically what I'm getting at is that even if you have your pick of sure fire great coaches, and we pour and pour money in, it STILL has to be the perfect storm to get your program into that situation.

This.

[bballfan84]

Curry always carried while dribbling.... Still does.
Curry worst defender in Liberty program since probably Karl Hess, as someone once told me, 'we tried to hide Hess on the defensive end' ---
Curry was held scoreless in the 2nd half of Big South semi final game (his last Big South game BTW) vs the supposedly bad defensive team of VMI... Way to step up Curry.
Now Curry looks great being a 5th year senior at Duke, cause Duke has no lottery picks this year, (bad recruiting by K and weak 2012 class look at UNC/Ky freshman for proof) except Plumlee but he isn't a guard like Rivers or Irving...
But IMO when the going gets tough later in the year, Curry true colors will show and he'll choke....maybe he'll prove me wrong but hasn't so far when tournament time comes around..

Sorry off topic, but I can't wait to Curry is sitting in D league or Europe next year and I don't have to read about or hear about him.... Way over rated!!!

This is ridiculous...bottom line if he stays at LU we are in MUCH better shape..stop being such a hater

[LUalumfromnc]

All I know is they used to consider our conference as small and they probably still do even after all the other teams were added. Sadly no mid-major or better...yet!!!!

[olldflame]

It´s hard to put a finger on what is lacking when it comes to LU basketball. Money is being spent at a rate which is the envy of many of our opponents, and I have no doubt that those who are responsible for promoting the games are making every effort. It seems to be something that has become ingrained in the attitude and culture of the student body and fan base that football is worthy of their time and passion and basketball is not. Obviously, winning will expedite change, but I´m afraid it will take more than that.

[jcrew4]

We need to hire a big time coach to attract some attention! I hear Isaiah Thomas is available. Just have to hide the women and children but ESPN would be all over that place for 36 hrs.

On a serious note, this off season should be interesting. You can't stay where your at unless the whole program wants to follow Assinesi to DIII. 339 out of 347. Florida Gulf Coast and Kennasaw State are ahead of us??? Atlantic Sun have any openings???

[olldflame]

We need to hire a big time coach to attract some attention! I hear Isaiah Thomas is available. Just have to hide the women and children but ESPN would be all over that place for 36 hrs.

On a serious note, this off season should be interesting. You can't stay where your at unless the whole program wants to follow Assinesi to DIII. 339 out of 347. Florida Gulf Coast and Kennasaw State are ahead of us??? Atlantic Sun have any openings???

There is a big name who recently became available, actually knows how to coach, and is a committed christian. Back when we were getting ready to hire RD´s replacement I referred to him as our ¨dream candidate¨.

[BJWilliams]

Take a chill pill jcrew...Im sure that the folks who make these sorts of decisions will be following the team the rest of this year, and if a change is made, that it wont be some knee jerk hire just because some guy on a message board said so or so that they can get a segment on Sportscenter that maybe stays in the rundown 1 or 2 days after the hire