If roundball is your blood, this is the place to discuss the Flames as they move into the Ritchie McKay era for the 2nd time.

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By ProudLUAlum
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I am sorry, but I still do not understand the "administrative leave". MANY places of business have a "zero tolerance" for substance abuse regardless of prescription or not and if violated the employee is immediately terminated. Why would LU have lower standards?

The "legal" problems argument for canning someone who commits a felony is simply not accurate.
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By Purple Haize
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ProudLUAlum wrote:I am sorry, but I still do not understand the "administrative leave". MANY places of business have a "zero tolerance" for substance abuse regardless of prescription or not and if violated the employee is immediately terminated. Why would LU have lower standards?

The "legal" problems argument for canning someone who commits a felony is simply not accurate.
Actually it is very accurate. Addiction has been ruled to be a type of disability and thus falling under the ADA. In a situation like this, where it was a personal issue ie no intent to distribute, many companies will assist with rehabilitation and a 2nd chance approach. You are correct, however, that immediately upon the charges being filed the employee will be removed from their position until things get sorted out. Keeping the person in that position is definetly NOT the norm
By logic
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ProudLUAlum wrote:I am sorry, but I still do not understand the "administrative leave". MANY places of business have a "zero tolerance" for substance abuse regardless of prescription or not and if violated the employee is immediately terminated. Why would LU have lower standards?

The "legal" problems argument for canning someone who commits a felony is simply not accurate.

Or higher standards, depending on how you want to look at it. We're talking about lives here, human beings, what good can come of immediate termination? And you're worried about what, you're worried about some pride here? Proud eh? If I were you I would be more proud of Liberty after they "got him through it" rather than throw him out on the street.

It's a good thing your employer doesn't know about the skeletons in your closet!
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By Purple Haize
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logic wrote:
ProudLUAlum wrote:I am sorry, but I still do not understand the "administrative leave". MANY places of business have a "zero tolerance" for substance abuse regardless of prescription or not and if violated the employee is immediately terminated. Why would LU have lower standards?

The "legal" problems argument for canning someone who commits a felony is simply not accurate.

Or higher standards, depending on how you want to look at it. We're talking about lives here, human beings, what good can come of immediate termination? And you're worried about what, you're worried about some pride here? Proud eh? If I were you I would be more proud of Liberty after they "got him through it" rather than throw him out on the street.

It's a good thing your employer doesn't know about the skeletons in your closet!
You do bring up another good point. Lets say they immediately terminated him when charges were filed and then was found not guilty/innocent/charges dropped. That's also a big HR no-no
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By BJWilliams
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And grounds for a potential wrongful termination suit, which would probably be an even bigger PR hit than the original circumstance
By ProudLUAlum
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I am saying that in many companies, you would be put on administrative leave when charges were filed......i.e no wrongful termination....However, upon pleading GUILY you would be terminated. How is it fair that students have been expelled for much less. Those are "lives" we are dealing with also. Why dont we just say.. "anything goes"...heck...we can always play the "grace" card.
By logic
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ProudLUAlum wrote:I am saying that in many companies, you would be put on administrative leave when charges were filed......i.e no wrongful termination....However, upon pleading GUILY you would be terminated. How is it fair that students have been expelled for much less. Those are "lives" we are dealing with also. Why dont we just say.. "anything goes"...heck...we can always play the "grace" card.
I do not know when you graduated, but students are no longer expelled on the first offense for something like this. Liberty was way over the top back in the day, to the point where yes, lives were changed, ruined perhaps. Maybe a second chance would have kept some of them from going down the wrong path. We've learned from those mistakes, and the Liberty of today is much different than the Liberty of years past. I argue for the better, it is laughable to expel kids from school for some of the minor offenses that we did, and makes no sense at all if they need help. At the end of the day we the students pay the bills, and the new Liberty is more about grace and customer service than hard line, Bob Jones or Pensacola style discipline. Good riddance to the days of yore, the new Liberty is ready to grow to 25,000 and still remain as devoted to God as ever. If we kicked out every student for drinking a drop of alcohol (even those 21 or older) you're talking about kicking out 30% of the school, some professors, and probably a few higher ranking types too. If that's not to your liking, a certain school down in South Carolina just started up an athletics program...
By ProudLUAlum
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Um......We're not talking about drinking a beer. We are talking about committing a felony and pleading guilty to it......(slight difference)
By ProudLUAlum
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Who cares how many students we get to if there is no distinguishable difference in us. Oh yeah...I guess there is.....We put coaches on AL when other schools would terminate them. It does seem a little convenient that the new "grace filled" LU philosphy also translates into more students and a bigger bottom line. Was that the vision of Dr. Falwell ?
By LUconn
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How does putting an assistant coach on AL never to coach again help the bottom line? Are you looking for blood? I don't understand why you're so intent on further wrecking a man's life
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By bballfan84
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We are a Christian University..however the University is made up of sinners!!! Mistakes will be made but we are saved by the grace of God. Do you want to take Eaker back out and hang him??
By ProudLUAlum
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So, if Jerry Sundusky was our football coach, would we have put him on administrative leave, offer him counseling and call his actions a disability? After all....we're all sinners, right?
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By bballfan84
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ProudLUAlum wrote:So, if Jerry Sundusky was our football coach, would we have put him on administrative leave, offer him counseling and call his actions a disability? After all....we're all sinners, right?
Please tell me you are joking..
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By bballfan84
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ProudLUAlum wrote:So, if Jerry Sundusky was our football coach, would we have put him on administrative leave, offer him counseling and call his actions a disability? After all....we're all sinners, right?
Eaker has suffered the consequences of his actions. He is on administrative leave (although the timing is wierd to me) I am sure he is going through some things with his wife and family..more important issues than Liberty basketball. You are comparing this situation to a man who was a pedophile.....I mean really?????
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By Purple Haize
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bballfan84 wrote:
ProudLUAlum wrote:So, if Jerry Sundusky was our football coach, would we have put him on administrative leave, offer him counseling and call his actions a disability? After all....we're all sinners, right?
Eaker has suffered the consequences of his actions. He is on administrative leave (although the timing is wierd to me) I am sure he is going through some things with his wife and family..more important issues than Liberty basketball. You are comparing this situation to a man who was a pedophile.....I mean really?????
Who was actually placed on administrative leave, then reassigned in the department....only to strike again. But don't let specifics get in the way.
By ProudLUAlum
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Being a pedophile is also now considered a type of mental disorder, so wouldnt that be cause for treatment, not a firing....where is the grace?

Who gets to judge that one felony deserves grace, but another does not?

BOTH SHOULD BE FIRED BY THE WAY !
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By Purple Haize
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ProudLUAlum wrote:Being a pedophile is also now considered a type of mental disorder, so wouldnt that be cause for treatment, not a firing....where is the grace?

Who gets to judge that one felony deserves grace, but another does not?

BOTH SHOULD BE FIRED BY THE WAY !
I'm nominating this for Ignorant Post of the Year. :clapping
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By bballfan84
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ProudLUAlum wrote:Being a pedophile is also now considered a type of mental disorder, so wouldnt that be cause for treatment, not a firing....where is the grace?

Who gets to judge that one felony deserves grace, but another does not?

BOTH SHOULD BE FIRED BY THE WAY !
The people that get to judge are the people who are his bosses..thats how it normally works
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By bballfan84
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ProudLUAlum wrote:My question is: What do you have to do to get FIRED ? Not put on AL, .....FIRED .
Why dont you answer that for us RD..it was about 5 years ago and you have a hard time letting it go..I am sure you remember!!!
By HenryGale
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bballfan84 wrote:
ProudLUAlum wrote:My question is: What do you have to do to get FIRED ? Not put on AL, .....FIRED .
Why dont you answer that for us RD..it was about 5 years ago and you have a hard time letting it go..I am sure you remember!!!
Twice :)
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By adam42381
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Purple Haize wrote:
ProudLUAlum wrote:Being a pedophile is also now considered a type of mental disorder, so wouldnt that be cause for treatment, not a firing....where is the grace?

Who gets to judge that one felony deserves grace, but another does not?

BOTH SHOULD BE FIRED BY THE WAY !
I'm nominating this for Ignorant Post of the Year. :clapping
Seconded.
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By BJWilliams
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adam42381 wrote:
Purple Haize wrote:
ProudLUAlum wrote:Being a pedophile is also now considered a type of mental disorder, so wouldnt that be cause for treatment, not a firing....where is the grace?

Who gets to judge that one felony deserves grace, but another does not?

BOTH SHOULD BE FIRED BY THE WAY !
I'm nominating this for Ignorant Post of the Year. :clapping
Seconded.
Thirded...and how the admins and mods havent gotten a hold of this I dont know
By LUconn
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What is it that you want to happen BJ? People say stupid stuff. I'm not going to edit his garbage.
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By BJWilliams
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I know (and am chief among sinners in the say stupid stuff department). Im just saying that if this guy is ToC again (as it really sounds like), Scorcho already gave his speech to him about what would happen if he came around again
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