[LUalumfromnc]

http://www.hilltopperhaven.com/board/vi ... =1&t=27034

I know this is from long ago, but there are some good comments about Liberty here. Of course some people making fun, but the good comments are actually honest ones!!!!

[LUminary]

I agree with SJ. Just so he will cringe when he reads that.

Anyone who has taken LUO classes knows they are always easier than on campus ones. There's also an added benefit to finishing things whenever you want to. I was usually done with all five classes in two days, which left me five days just to goof around.

Now, I'm not saying they aren't beneficial to people who have jobs and can't afford to move to college. They were beneficial. But let's not get carried away. One discussion board is about Jesus, and we just recite some line we heard in sunday school.

I agree LUO classes are easier than on campus, but Southern New Hampshire has perhaps the easiest way to a degree I've ever seen. My old roomie is in the Navy, and reading some of his papers that he submitted that got A's...eesh.

All these blanket statements about online classes naturally being easier than online are ridiculous. I have taken both online and on-campus classes at LU and on-campus classes at other schools. Some online classes were easier, but several of them were actually as difficult or more difficult than classes on campus. It just depends. My son is a full-time student at LU. Some of his classes are easy, some aren't. I have had on-campus classes that were easy, but I don't leap to the assumption that the entire process is easier than online. The experiences are different.

One thing I think some people fail to realize, or refuse to acknowledge, is that a lot of online students aren't just looking for an easy way to a diploma. For one thing, it's not easy. Some actually value the fact that their LU degree is a from a real brick-and-mortar school and not by mail order. I think any tendency to diminish someone with a degree acquired online as beneath those who trod campus for four years is wrongheaded. I earned my degree by taking nearly half of my classes online, and, son attending LU aside, I feel as much a part of the school as anyone.

[adam42381]

I took classes on campus from 1999-2003. I was very immature and lacked focus which is why I didn't graduate when I should have. I went back part time taking online courses in 2006. I finished up my BS in Finance online at Liberty in 2008. I did it because it was much easier and I could keep working full time. I wasn't concerned with getting the most out of my education at that point; I just wanted to get the degree. The courses I took were not very demanding or time consuming. Compared to what I know about Policy and Corporate Finance from people that took them on campus, they were both a breeze online. From my perspective, the online route was much easier than the on campus route.

Now, let's get back to talking about realignment...

[LUminary]

I took classes on campus from 1999-2003. I was very immature and lacked focus which is why I didn't graduate when I should have. I went back part time taking online courses in 2006. I finished up my BS in Finance online at Liberty in 2008. I did it because it was much easier and I could keep working full time. I wasn't concerned with getting the most out of my education at that point; I just wanted to get the degree. The courses I took were not very demanding or time consuming. Compared to what I know about Policy and Corporate Finance from people that took them on campus, they were both a breeze online. From my perspective, the online route was much easier than the on campus route.

Now, let's get back to talking about realignment...

We've had this discussion before. Could be that the structure of the Corporate Finance class was different a few years ago. The "My Finance Lab" application required a lot of time each week to move on. Could be that those people that took the class on campus were a lot smarter than me. In fact, that's highly possible. Because I didn't have a breeze online. Everybody's experience is different. That was my point. These blanket statements that represent campus classes automatically being superior or more difficult than online classes aren't correct for everyone.

Now, back to realignment.

[flamehunter]

A note to Liberty:

Stop being so crazy Christian and crazy political or we will never move up!!!! Sorry everyone just my opinion!!!!

Yeah, that's the ticket!! One hundred years from now it will be so much more important that we dropped our "crazy" Christian principles so we could get in the Sun Belt and go to a bowl game than to continue the original mission of this school. Why can't the leadership see this???

[Kricket]

A note to Liberty:

Stop being so crazy Christian and crazy political or we will never move up!!!! Sorry everyone just my opinion!!!!

Yeah, that's the ticket!! One hundred years from now it will be so much more important that we dropped our "crazy" Christian principles so we could get in the Sun Belt and go to a bowl game than to continue the original mission of this school. Why can't the leadership see this???

+1

I have a hard time imagining a genuine Christian who doesn't appear crazy. Just tell someone you don't believe in sex outside of marriage and tell me how many people don't call you crazy nowadays.

[From the class of 09]

A note to Liberty:

Stop being so crazy Christian and crazy political or we will never move up!!!! Sorry everyone just my opinion!!!!

Yeah, that's the ticket!! One hundred years from now it will be so much more important that we dropped our "crazy" Christian principles so we could get in the Sun Belt and go to a bowl game than to continue the original mission of this school. Why can't the leadership see this???

+1

I have a hard time imagining a genuine Christian who doesn't appear crazy. Just tell someone you don't believe in sex outside of marriage and tell me how many people don't call you crazy nowadays.

Lets just not confuse our crazy Christian beliefs for crazy conservative beliefs.

[4everfsu]

We all play the tough guy role and say we aren't sorry, that we're politically incorrect and what not since 1971...how does staying in the Big South feel? Is it worth it? I don't know about you, but I would trade some of the political nonsense over the years for an FBS invite in 2012.

If leaving the Big South means compromising our core beliefs and principles, than we should stay where we are. I'm not talking about the politics. Because our faith is offensive to many. And I don't care who it offends.

I know some people say stupid things in positions at Liberty about social issues or politics. Or fall in love with Newt Gingrich. But I do not apologize for believing God's Word is true, inerrant Scripture. I do not apologize for believing God is the creator of the universe and Jesus is His Son. See, that's offensive to the so-called enlightened progressive marxist land of academia. But I don't apologize. And we shouldn't apologize for it either.

+1

[bluedevilflame]

The irritating thing about this conversation is, absolutely NO ONE is asking anyone to change or apologize for their personal religious beliefs or the schools. No one. There is a divide between religion and politics in this country that we refuse to abide by, which ultimately hurts ourselves and our reputation. We are a Christian university, just like Notre Dame is a Catholic university, BYU is a Mormon university, and just like Baylor is a Christian university. Their religious beliefs have certainly not impacted their success in any way shape or form, so why has ours? Like was said earlier, it is because we stick our foots in our mouths and are proud of it! Face facts, what college president is going to want their institution associated with ours because of this? Not many. Liberty has EVERYTHING on paper to be a top FBS school and be able to reach millions of more people for Christ through athletics but because we arrogantly refuse to abide by separation of church and state, we shoot ourselves right in the foot thus not truly living to our mission. We allow politics to get in the way of showing the love of God to millions that don't know Him, and that is sad. All I have ever tried to say in various threads on this forum is that we should stick to our mission of training champions for Christ and learn to keep our opinions to ourselves and stop being so insensitive and hateful towards opposing viewpoints. That is not Christianity and it shouldn't be Liberty.

[SumItUp]

but because we arrogantly refuse to abide by separation of church and state

What do you mean by this statement? I'm not sure I understand what you mean. Do you believe that a private institution must abide by separation of church and state? If so, what do you base this on? What is the authority for separation of church and state?

[bluedevilflame]

but because we arrogantly refuse to abide by separation of church and state

What do you mean by this statement? I'm not sure I understand what you mean. Do you believe that a private institution must abide by separation of church and state? If so, what do you base this on? What is the authority for separation of church and state?

Three words: federal financial aid. A vast majority of students are on it and the reason why LUO is booming.

[SumItUp]

What is the basis for separation of church and state? Is it a law?

[ALAFlamesFan]

The irritating thing about this conversation is, absolutely NO ONE is asking anyone to change or apologize for their personal religious beliefs or the schools. No one. There is a divide between religion and politics in this country that we refuse to abide by, which ultimately hurts ourselves and our reputation. We are a Christian university, just like Notre Dame is a Catholic university, BYU is a Mormon university, and just like Baylor is a Christian university. Their religious beliefs have certainly not impacted their success in any way shape or form, so why has ours? Like was said earlier, it is because we stick our foots in our mouths and are proud of it! Face facts, what college president is going to want their institution associated with ours because of this? Not many. Liberty has EVERYTHING on paper to be a top FBS school and be able to reach millions of more people for Christ through athletics but because we arrogantly refuse to abide by separation of church and state, we shoot ourselves right in the foot thus not truly living to our mission. We allow politics to get in the way of showing the love of God to millions that don't know Him, and that is sad. All I have ever tried to say in various threads on this forum is that we should stick to our mission of training champions for Christ and learn to keep our opinions to ourselves and stop being so insensitive and hateful towards opposing viewpoints. That is not Christianity and it shouldn't be Liberty.

I agree that the vast, vast majority of us agree that we should not compromise our faith nor most of our principles so long as they are directly related to our faith. The conversation here is not about compromising faith or principles for acceptance so much as it is a plea by some to rethink how we articulate them. The Gospel is offensive but it is interesting that most of those offended by Jesus were religious moralists. Not many sinful, beer drinking, women chasing, worldly folks seemed to be offended in the slightest by Jesus' message. Something to think about the next time we get all defensive and self righteous. Sports is a great way to bring folks of differing backgrounds together. It is a great illustration for many life lessons. I would like to think Jesus would have loved tailgating at any number of venues across the country.
We all want LU to move up. We also want Jesus to be glorified thru our alma mater. I just don't want to keep offending the folks Jesus loves for no good reason other than our own pride, insecurities and cultural biases.

[LUconn]

We are a Christian university, just like Notre Dame is a Catholic university, BYU is a Mormon university, and just like Baylor is a Christian university.

This is where you are incorrect. Our policy has been to avoid becoming what they are in relation to their respective religion.

[jbock13]

The separation of church and state is nowhere mentioned in the Constitution.

[bluedevilflame]

The separation of church and state is nowhere mentioned in the Constitution.

Thomas Jefferson explained it as the intent of the establishment clause of the first amendment.

[bluedevilflame]

The irritating thing about this conversation is, absolutely NO ONE is asking anyone to change or apologize for their personal religious beliefs or the schools. No one. There is a divide between religion and politics in this country that we refuse to abide by, which ultimately hurts ourselves and our reputation. We are a Christian university, just like Notre Dame is a Catholic university, BYU is a Mormon university, and just like Baylor is a Christian university. Their religious beliefs have certainly not impacted their success in any way shape or form, so why has ours? Like was said earlier, it is because we stick our foots in our mouths and are proud of it! Face facts, what college president is going to want their institution associated with ours because of this? Not many. Liberty has EVERYTHING on paper to be a top FBS school and be able to reach millions of more people for Christ through athletics but because we arrogantly refuse to abide by separation of church and state, we shoot ourselves right in the foot thus not truly living to our mission. We allow politics to get in the way of showing the love of God to millions that don't know Him, and that is sad. All I have ever tried to say in various threads on this forum is that we should stick to our mission of training champions for Christ and learn to keep our opinions to ourselves and stop being so insensitive and hateful towards opposing viewpoints. That is not Christianity and it shouldn't be Liberty.

I agree that the vast, vast majority of us agree that we should not compromise our faith nor most of our principles so long as they are directly related to our faith. The conversation here is not about compromising faith or principles for acceptance so much as it is a plea by some to rethink how we articulate them. The Gospel is offensive but it is interesting that most of those offended by Jesus were religious moralists. Not many sinful, beer drinking, women chasing, worldly folks seemed to be offended in the slightest by Jesus' message. Something to think about the next time we get all defensive and self righteous. Sports is a great way to bring folks of differing backgrounds together. It is a great illustration for many life lessons. I would like to think Jesus would have loved tailgating at any number of venues across the country.
We all want LU to move up. We also want Jesus to be glorified thru our alma mater. I just don't want to keep offending the folks Jesus loves for no good reason other than our own pride, insecurities and cultural biases.

[bluedevilflame]

We are a Christian university, just like Notre Dame is a Catholic university, BYU is a Mormon university, and just like Baylor is a Christian university.

This is where you are incorrect. Our policy has been to avoid becoming what they are in relation to their respective religion.

All I have ever heard is how LU aspires to be like those schools are to their faith

[FLAMEfromBAMA]

The separation of church and state is nowhere mentioned in the Constitution.

Thomas Jefferson explained it as the intent of the establishment clause of the first amendment.

Which is followed by the free exercise clause. Look people's opinions are founded on their true beliefs. It just happens that the Republican party has more opinions that seem to be founded on beliefs similar to those of Liberty University. Some of you are saying get out of politics so that we can get publicity for Christ in sports instead. You don't think we'd rattle some people in the sports world too? I agree some things that the higher ups at LU have done or said could have been done or said better, but nobody's perfect. I hope regardless of who we offend we stand up to SCOTUS or whoever else to make sure that the Constitution is upheld, and in doing so we share the Gospel in a good light. Having said that, can we take this elsewhere and have a LU problem/LU bash thread or something. I hate seeing that there are new posts and hoping for news, but instead I see the same points being repeated over and over by different people. Ain't nobody got time for that!

[LUconn]

We are a Christian university, just like Notre Dame is a Catholic university, BYU is a Mormon university, and just like Baylor is a Christian university.

This is where you are incorrect. Our policy has been to avoid becoming what they are in relation to their respective religion.

All I have ever heard is how LU aspires to be like those schools are to their faith

In terms of sports and being the "go-to" thought when you think of a university of that faith. But that is a wildly different aspiration than wanting to be like Baylor in relation to Christianity.

[Liberty22]

Having said that, can we take this elsewhere and have a LU problem/LU bash thread or something. I hate seeing that there are new posts and hoping for news, but instead I see the same points being repeated over and over by different people. Ain't nobody got time for that!

+1

[LUGrad2000]

Having said that, can we take this elsewhere and have a LU problem/LU bash thread or something. I hate seeing that there are new posts and hoping for news, but instead I see the same points being repeated over and over by different people. Ain't nobody got time for that!

+1

+2
I check this thread a couple times a day during school, which is dangerous.

[Steffattack]

What happened to the conference realignment thread? Just wondering.

[jbock13]

The separation of church and state is nowhere mentioned in the Constitution.

Thomas Jefferson explained it as the intent of the establishment clause of the first amendment.

Which says congress shall establish no religion. Nothing more.

[bluedevilflame]

The separation of church and state is nowhere mentioned in the Constitution.

Thomas Jefferson explained it as the intent of the establishment clause of the first amendment.

Which says congress shall establish no religion. Nothing more.

And one of the founding fathers said that that was what it meant, nothing more.