[Wilberforce91]

Just curious if you had some facts to back up that assertion. Football is big, no doubt, but to write off men's basketball like it's collegiate curling is not right - you being a Kentucky fan should know that. Just some quick figures I found through Google:

http://www.statista.com/statistics/2196 ... v-ratings/ and

http://www.bcsfootball.org/news/story?id=4819384

I don't buy into the belief that the ACC is an also-ran yet. There are a lot of dominoes that would have to fall for that to happen. I agree with bluedevilflame (and that's tough for a UNC fan) that the ACC should at least attempt to snatch a B1G or SEC team - Penn State, Vandy, or even UK come to mind - schools that have a strong tradition in both sports and could maybe see more success in the ACC. And as previously discussed, UNC won't leave the ACC without the rest of the big 4 at least, unless they want a riot on Franklin Street on their hands.

[logic]

At this point the only ones that should matter as far as talking about it are the people that are responsible for making that decision...not the writers or a bunch of butthurt fanboys on some message board because they dont like Christians possibly spoiling their little party

Please dear sir, make a new name and try to post in a manner that lends itself to anonymity. I find it hard to believe one would openly post such nonsense on a message board as a known employee of Liberty University.

[logic]

I agree with bluedevilflame (and that's tough for a UNC fan) that the ACC should at least attempt to snatch a B1G or SEC team - Penn State, Vandy, or even UK come to mind

Conference payouts per team last year -

Big Ten - 24.7 million
SEC - 19.5 million
ACC - 17 million



End of story. Everyone on this board who thinks that ANYONE from the Big Ten is going to seriously consider joining the ACC, or should consider the ACC, is out of their minds.

[GillsHill2013]

I agree with bluedevilflame (and that's tough for a UNC fan) that the ACC should at least attempt to snatch a B1G or SEC team - Penn State, Vandy, or even UK come to mind

Conference payouts per team last year -

Big Ten - 24.7 million
SEC - 19.5 million
ACC - 17 million



End of story. Everyone on this board who thinks that ANYONE from the Big Ten is going to seriously consider joining the ACC, or should consider the ACC, is out of their minds.

Thats logical

[bluedevilflame]

Just curious if you had some facts to back up that assertion. Football is big, no doubt, but to write off men's basketball like it's collegiate curling is not right - you being a Kentucky fan should know that. Just some quick figures I found through Google:

http://www.statista.com/statistics/2196 ... v-ratings/ and

http://www.bcsfootball.org/news/story?id=4819384

I don't buy into the belief that the ACC is an also-ran yet. There are a lot of dominoes that would have to fall for that to happen. I agree with bluedevilflame (and that's tough for a UNC fan) that the ACC should at least attempt to snatch a B1G or SEC team - Penn State, Vandy, or even UK come to mind - schools that have a strong tradition in both sports and could maybe see more success in the ACC. And as previously discussed, UNC won't leave the ACC without the rest of the big 4 at least, unless they want a riot on Franklin Street on their hands.

Or one in the state legislature, NC is a different beast I'm telling you, basketball is and always will be king. We may hate each other on the court, but try really messing with one of us and you'll see the unity. I think it is ridiculous when people blindly write off basketball, it does matter and it brings in A LOT of money. Maybe not SEC football money, but still tons.
http://businessofcollegesports.com/2011 ... -programs/
According to 2010-2011, Duke basketball came in #29 as far as most profitable collegiate programs, football and basketball included. Followed by Arizona (28), UNC (31), OSU (32) and Cuse (34) just to name a few and Louisville at #16! According to the numbers, Duke basketball brings in more than VT football, USC football, and Oregon football, just to name a few. Before basketball is thrown under the bus, it'd do well to check the numbers.

[Wilberforce91]

I agree with bluedevilflame (and that's tough for a UNC fan) that the ACC should at least attempt to snatch a B1G or SEC team - Penn State, Vandy, or even UK come to mind

Conference payouts per team last year -

Big Ten - 24.7 million
SEC - 19.5 million
ACC - 17 million



End of story. Everyone on this board who thinks that ANYONE from the Big Ten is going to seriously consider joining the ACC, or should consider the ACC, is out of their minds.

And anyone who believes these ridiculous payouts are sustainable in the future is out of his or her mind as well. It's a bubble - just like the housing bubble - and it will burst.

[logic]

I agree with bluedevilflame (and that's tough for a UNC fan) that the ACC should at least attempt to snatch a B1G or SEC team - Penn State, Vandy, or even UK come to mind

Conference payouts per team last year -

Big Ten - 24.7 million
SEC - 19.5 million
ACC - 17 million



End of story. Everyone on this board who thinks that ANYONE from the Big Ten is going to seriously consider joining the ACC, or should consider the ACC, is out of their minds.

And anyone who believes these ridiculous payouts are sustainable in the future is out of his or her mind as well. It's a bubble - just like the housing bubble - and it will burst.

Based on what information? The housing bubble was forecasted - Anyone who bothered to look at the combination of skyrocketing home values, near 0 interest rates, the amount of homes being bought with no money down, the amount of junk mortgages on bank sheets, etc., could have seen that bubble coming. Heck John Paulson is famous in investment circles worldwide for betting against the US housing market and shorting sub-prime mortgages, in fact his deal has been called the greatest trade in the history of the market.

A football bubble? Please, tell me how after adding the NYC and DC area the Big Ten did not increase the value of its product? Add the number 8 Atlanta market if the rumors are true and the Big Ten just added the number 1, 7, and 8 TV markets in the country. College football is what it is...I don't see it slowing down anytime soon. We are obsessed with football in this country and I don't see that changing for a long, long time. Add four sixteen team super conferences to the mix with a four or eight team playoff from those conferences and the value becomes astronomical.

What would the networks be willing to pay for the rights to broadcast an 8 team playoff? How much would go to the conferences to split four ways? That is of course, on top of the money they already get from their respective conference regular season TV deals.

[GillsHill2013]

+ 1 to logic once again. Big 10 is making bank.its called.capitalism and its alive and well in.college football....

[flamesfan30]

yes. money talks. but how much longer are the tv networks going to sign gigantic contracts to conferences? what happens if nobody wants to watch maryland play rutgers, and people start to lose money? will just being in the big 10/16 increase the value of those schools enough to gain real market share, or will it just dilute the product?

id say this is more of a big money gamble then a bubble at this point.

[logic]

yes. money talks. but how much longer are the tv networks going to sign gigantic contracts to conferences? what happens if nobody wants to watch maryland play rutgers, and people start to lose money? will just being in the big 10/16 increase the value of those schools enough to gain real market share, or will it just dilute the product?

id say this is more of a big money gamble then a bubble at this point.

Easy to say when you take the two worst teams in the conference. Who wants to watch the two worst teams in any conference play? Now take Penn State vs. Rutgers. The two schools are 3 hours apart and the entire eastern side of PA, a lot of North Jersey, and much if NYC are either PSU or Rutgers fans. The flagship school of Pennsylvania vs. the flagship school of New Jersey. Border states. Rivalries. 25 million people live in that northeast triangle area and a PSU vs. Rutgers game will have a huge audience.

[Wilberforce91]

Gamble is a good word ff30. And I would say it's more greed than simple capitalism GH (and don't lecture me on the importance of greed/profit motive to the market. I understand and appreciate the free market system and will defend it vehemently). It's simply that the valuation has increased at an alarming rate, and the business cycle tells us that what goes up generally goes down. Here are a few articles I found that discuss it. And no they're not peer-reviewed academic sources, but they shed some light on my perspective nonetheless.

http://www.casualhoya.com/2012/11/27/36 ... ealignment

http://www.tarheelblog.com/2011/9/7/240 ... all-bubble

And this article briefly discusses it; the main thrust is the higher education bubble in general:

http://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/2012 ... 1-screw-u/

[rogers3]

Gamble is a good word ff30. And I would say it's more greed than simple capitalism GH (and don't lecture me on the importance of greed/profit motive to the market. I understand and appreciate the free market system and will defend it vehemently). It's simply that the valuation has increased at an alarming rate, and the business cycle tells us that what goes up generally goes down. Here are a few articles I found that discuss it. And no they're not peer-reviewed academic sources, but they shed some light on my perspective nonetheless.

http://www.casualhoya.com/2012/11/27/36 ... ealignment

http://www.tarheelblog.com/2011/9/7/240 ... all-bubble

And this article briefly discusses it; the main thrust is the higher education bubble in general:

http://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/2012 ... 1-screw-u/

How about the online education bubble? We'll have fun with that!

[bluedevilflame]

Gamble is a good word ff30. And I would say it's more greed than simple capitalism GH (and don't lecture me on the importance of greed/profit motive to the market. I understand and appreciate the free market system and will defend it vehemently). It's simply that the valuation has increased at an alarming rate, and the business cycle tells us that what goes up generally goes down. Here are a few articles I found that discuss it. And no they're not peer-reviewed academic sources, but they shed some light on my perspective nonetheless.

http://www.casualhoya.com/2012/11/27/36 ... ealignment

http://www.tarheelblog.com/2011/9/7/240 ... all-bubble

And this article briefly discusses it; the main thrust is the higher education bubble in general:

http://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/2012 ... 1-screw-u/

How about the online education bubble? We'll have fun with that!

Yeaaaaah, I could see that happening too

[Sly Fox]

As for the NC legislature discussion, we had the same scenario here in Texas when UT and A&M were discussing bolting to the Pac-10. The legislative whims can change in a heartbeat as they did here football crazy Texas. I wouldn't believe for a second that the statehouse will seriously stop a departure of any school from Tobacco Road.

[Purple Haize]

yes. money talks. but how much longer are the tv networks going to sign gigantic contracts to conferences? what happens if nobody wants to watch maryland play rutgers, and people start to lose money? will just being in the big 10/16 increase the value of those schools enough to gain real market share, or will it just dilute the product?

id say this is more of a big money gamble then a bubble at this point.

Easy to say when you take the two worst teams in the conference. Who wants to watch the two worst teams in any conference play? Now take Penn State vs. Rutgers. The two schools are 3 hours apart and the entire eastern side of PA, a lot of North Jersey, and much if NYC are either PSU or Rutgers fans. The flagship school of Pennsylvania vs. the flagship school of New Jersey. Border states. Rivalries. 25 million people live in that northeast triangle area and a PSU vs. Rutgers game will have a huge audience.

You have well reasoned and thought out positions but this is a real possibility. If/When we have an 8 team playoff all of the other Bowls have the possibility of losing relevance...and sponsorship dollars. Given the difficulty of viewership let alone in game attendance to these Bowls, it will only hurt their relevance further.
Then at some point the Ohio States and Alabamas will be tired of carrying the water for Rutgers and the shake up will happen again. Very BSG/ Matrixy.

[lynchburgwildcats]

Just curious if you had some facts to back up that assertion. Football is big, no doubt, but to write off men's basketball like it's collegiate curling is not right - you being a Kentucky fan should know that. Just some quick figures I found through Google:

http://www.statista.com/statistics/2196 ... v-ratings/ and

http://www.bcsfootball.org/news/story?id=4819384

I don't buy into the belief that the ACC is an also-ran yet. There are a lot of dominoes that would have to fall for that to happen. I agree with bluedevilflame (and that's tough for a UNC fan) that the ACC should at least attempt to snatch a B1G or SEC team - Penn State, Vandy, or even UK come to mind - schools that have a strong tradition in both sports and could maybe see more success in the ACC. And as previously discussed, UNC won't leave the ACC without the rest of the big 4 at least, unless they want a riot on Franklin Street on their hands.

If you would read what I wrote, I said HEAD-TO-HEAD, midtier football games bet better ratings than premier basketball games. Football doesn't go HEAD-TO-HEAD with the NCAA Tournament...

But if you want to compare entire season to entire season...
NCAA football average TV viewers by conference September through November 2011 (in millions)
http://www.statista.com/statistics/2442 ... -football/

NCAA basketball average TV viewership by conference January through March 2011 (in millions)
http://www.statista.com/statistics/2442 ... asketball/

Yep, that's right, the #1 conference in basketball TV viewing easily worse than the #6 conference in football tv viewing. And we all know the Big East schools are leaving left and right because of the TV contracts.

There's a reason why all the conference realignment is centered around the football. Football drives the TV deals. Basketball means very little to it. If you think otherwise you are just ignoring reality.

And a Big Ten or SEC team will not leave that conference to join the ACC with a less lucrative TV deal. Not happening. All this realignment is based on money. You can quit the dreaming now. Only way an SEC/B1G school leaves for the ACC is if the ACC starts paying them more than the SEC/B1G is going to. Right now, that isn't the case.

And since when in the world did Vanderbilt or Kentucky have a strong tradition in football, unless you mean a strong tradition of losing? Even a Kentucky homer like me knows Kentucky has been terrible most years and slightly above average in a great year by Kentucky standards. Vanderbilt is historically even worse than Kentucky.

[Sly Fox]

For what it is worth, some producer in DC is claiming a source tells him that UVa & GT will accept offers from B1G by Monday. Yeah, it doesn't sound credible. But I am just passing along the rumors.

[Sly Fox]

And in case you missed it ...

College of Charleston Accepts Invitation to Join the CAA in 2013
Courtesy: CAA
Release: 11/30/2012

RICHMOND, Va. (November 30, 2012) - The College of Charleston has accepted an invitation of membership to join the Colonial Athletic Association beginning July 1, 2013, CAA Commissioner Tom Yeager announced today.

"Speaking for the entire membership, we are extremely excited that the College of Charleston will be joining the CAA," CAA Commissioner Tom Yeager said. "We believe their nationally recognized athletic and academic programs will be a great institutional fit with other CAA institutions. Charleston will enhance the competition level in the conference and add to our group of nationally prominent teams in a number of sports. CAA fans will enjoy traveling to Charleston to see their team play, as will Cougar fans and alumni located in CAA cities in many of the major metropolitan areas of the Mid-Atlantic and Northeast."

"We are thrilled to welcome the College of Charleston athletic program to the CAA," said UNCW Chancellor Gary L. Miller, who is the chair of the CAA Council of Presidents. "The Cougars are a terrific fit for the league both athletically and academically, and we are confident that the entire conference will benefit from the addition of such a vibrant, competitive program. The College of Charleston's history of outstanding athletic performance and the enthusiasm of their dedicated fans will add a great deal of spirit to an already competitive conference. We're looking forward to our first match-ups next season - and to a long and lively future of robust match-ups."

Click Here for Full Release

[logic]

And this article briefly discusses it; the main thrust is the higher education bubble in general:

A buddy of mine is making 180,000 a year as a mortgage underwriter three years after graduating from high school. I won't come close to that starting out with my first full-time job after my time here at Liberty. What do college students really learn in college anyway? Prolonged adolescence if anything. To a higher education bubble I would definitely agree. At some point the American public is going to wake up and say "No, I don't have to spend 50,000 dollars a year to go to school" and they won't. And they'll be just fine without that degree. I see entrepreneurial and apprenticeship programs becoming more important going forward. So yes, an education bubble.

But a football bubble? Hard for me to believe that. That's like saying we have pop-culture bubble and we're suddenly going to revert back to actual intelligent, hardworking musicians with real talent and refined skill as our "idols." If there are three things that will never cease to keep going up in this country it is -

1. The importance of pop culture
2. The importance of football
3. Our waistlines


I call it how I see it. Look when Katy Perry is singing "I kissed a girl and I liked it" and your society idolizes her and that song, hit the bricks because you're on the way out.


Charleston to the CAA. How will that affect us?

[Purple Haize]

So what are you doing in college if its not worth it?

[Chris Lang]

For what it is worth, some producer in DC is claiming a source tells him that UVa & GT will accept offers from B1G by Monday. Yeah, it doesn't sound credible. But I am just passing along the rumors.

I won't believe anything on the realignment front until Brett McMurphy reports it. He's the credible one to me. He's been out in front of everyone on every aspect of realignment. This shmuck in D.C. throwing out rumors with no sources? Irresponsible. And it ticks me off.

[logic]

So what are you doing in college if its not worth it?

I ask myself that question almost daily. You don't need a college degree to sell insurance, underwrite mortgages, sell real-estate, etc., and can make 100K doing so with some hard work. Does it make sense to spend 27,000 a year for school and then get a full-time job making 25?

Back to the point. Yes I would agree there is an education bubble. A football bubble I do not agree with.

For what it is worth, some producer in DC is claiming a source tells him that UVa & GT will accept offers from B1G by Monday. Yeah, it doesn't sound credible. But I am just passing along the rumors.

I won't believe anything on the realignment front until Brett McMurphy reports it. He's the credible one to me. He's been out in front of everyone on every aspect of realignment. This shmuck in D.C. throwing out rumors with no sources? Irresponsible. And it ticks me off.

Chris, tell us how you really feel!! Also, while you're at it, could you please leak something positive about Liberty and realignment? I find it unbelievable, that is to say, I cannot believe, that the Sun Belt would take someone like Lamar, Sam Houston, or even Georgia Southern over Liberty.

[jbock13]

how many times have we been through this...

[Purple Haize]

how many times have we been through this...

Apparently not enough

[LU-Hoo]

I don't see UNC or UVA going anywhere, I have heard that if the GTech rumors are true, then Kansas may be #16 for the Big Ten (16?) Here comes super conferences! The ACC needs to get on the offensive fast and try and steal a team away from the SEC or Big Ten, what do they have to lose by trying at this point?

I'm starting to think that only ND as a full ACC member will plug the leak in the dam. That may be the only way the ACC can compete with the payouts of the big 4 conferences...