[Cider Jim]

Yes, Faith Baptist Bible College is a NCCAA Division II school. CJ understands what that means. They are on par with Tennessee Temple by classification.

Yes, I was at the game, as a college student, when LBC beat Tenn. Temple for the national championship in Chattanooga at the NCCAAs in the early 1980s. I think Purple's friend Dale Gibson was maybe the coach of that LBC team. Karl Hess shot the lights out against us.

Back in Tenn. Temple's heyday, we may have been only NCCAA, but we had 2 DI tranfers on our team Anthony Eubanks from Ole Miss and Kevin Hicks from UT-Chattanooga. My freshman year at Tenn. Temple, our front line was 6'9", 6'8 1/2" and 6'8".

[RubberMallet]

yeah it was a exhibition game for fbbc. a reg season game for grinnell . sure its hard to score 138 points in 1 game in college basketball. congrats to the kid but its completely jaded. there is a reason this dimwit coach has churned out like 4 or 5 games where 1 player has scored 80+ points in one game. there is also a reason why noone else generally does this. because its a dick move. totally classless. the same classlessness would of been why this kid would of been walking in crutches 20 minutes in had they played any other school than a seminary school.

[Purple Haize]

yeah it was a exhibition game for fbbc. a reg season game for grinnell . sure its hard to score 138 points in 1 game in college basketball. congrats to the kid but its completely jaded. there is a reason this dimwit coach has churned out like 4 or 5 games where 1 player has scored 80+ points in one game. there is also a reason why noone else generally does this. because its a dick move. totally classless. the same classlessness would of been why this kid would of been walking in crutches 20 minutes in had they played any other school than a seminary school.

Ill agree with the shady part. Not sure how one team can call it 'a game' and the other an exhibition. But name me 1 kid at any level who would say 'Gee coach, do I have to shoot every time?'
If you want to debate the coach or system, to me that's fine and a different discussion. Because at the end of the day, the player made the shots. Sure the system helped get them, but he still knocked them down when no one else has been able.
I don't know if he would be on crutches, but definetly talking an octave or two higher.

[RubberMallet]

Not sure how one team can call it 'a game' and the other an exhibition. But name me 1 kid at any level who would say 'Gee coach, do I have to shoot every time?'
If you want to debate the coach or system, to me that's fine and a different discussion. Because at the end of the day, the player made the shots. Sure the system helped get them, but he still knocked them down when no one else has been able.
I don't know if he would be on crutches, but definetly talking an octave or two higher.

since its a different system entirely, schools play exhibitions first. so for fbbc, it wasn't even an official game. the kid knocked down an average percentage of shots. he just happened to shoot more in 40 minutes than anyone else ever. meh in my book.

[adam42381]

Yes, Faith Baptist Bible College is a NCCAA Division II school. CJ understands what that means. They are on par with Tennessee Temple by classification.

Yes, I was at the game, as a college student, when LBC beat Tenn. Temple for the national championship in Chattanooga at the NCCAAs in the early 1980s. I think Purple's friend Dale Gibson was maybe the coach of that LBC team. Karl Hess shot the lights out against us.

Back in Tenn. Temple's heyday, we may have been only NCCAA, but we had 2 DI tranfers on our team Anthony Eubanks from Ole Miss and Kevin Hicks from UT-Chattanooga. My freshman year at Tenn. Temple, our front line was 6'9", 6'8 1/2" and 6'8".

The youth pastor at my church when I was growing up played for Tennessee Temple in the 70's.

[lynchburgwildcats]

I guess my question is, how much difference is there between a top-tier D3 team and a D3 bottom dweller? I mean, they are all non-scholarship, right, so are they really that much better than an top intramural team at a DI school?

Bottom dwelling D3 teams get slaughtered by top tier D3 teams. For example, #1 MIT beat Lesley 82-49, #3 UW Whitewater beat Aurora 107-68, #5 Amherst beat Western New England 104-61. You've got some D3 bottom dwellers that don't even win games for years, like Cal Tech.

There are usually a handful of D3 teams that beat D1 teams every year. Not often, obviously. Usually most top-25 quality D3 teams have some guys that either got low D1 scholarship offers out of high school or have developed into D1 quality players once getting to college. Heck, some have even made it to the NBA, most for short stints, but Devean George and Terry Porter are the most notable. A few others are Derrick Rowland, Horace Jenkins, Clinton Wheeler, Andy Panko, Mike Harper, Lamont Strothers (picked in second round of NBA draft), Rick Hughes. All of the guys in that last group amounted to nothing in the NBA, basically, but making the NBA is still a pretty big deal. Most of them end up leaving to play in Europe for a bigger paycheck along with more playing time and notoriety. Some even excel greatly in Europe, like Andy Panko being named the Spanish ACB League MVP last season - other winners of that award have been Marc Gasol, Arvydas Sabonis, Luis Scola, Juan Carlos Navarro, and Andres Nocioni, so we're talking a big time award internationally. (All names taken from the NABC D3 All-American teams)

Now I've never watched a D1 intramural game and never have the intention too unless some top notch football school put together a bunch of players from the football team all on one intramural squad, but my educated guess is that D1 intramural teams don't produce NBA players or guys with 10+ year professional basketball careers overseas. Maybe I'm wrong though, does anyone have any evidence to the contrary?

[Purple Haize]

You forgot Jack Sikma. He and Porter are the Patron Saints of D3 pros. (Jerome Kersey would be too but now Longwood is D1)

[Sly Fox]

Longwood was DII like us in the old Mason-Dixon Conference when Jerome was balling against us.

[Purple Haize]

Longwood was DII like us in the old Mason-Dixon Conference when Jerome was balling against us.

I was thinking NAIA. Thanks for the clarification.

[lynchburgwildcats]

You forgot Jack Sikma. He and Porter are the Patron Saints of D3 pros. (Jerome Kersey would be too but now Longwood is D1)

Oh trust me, I did not. Illinois Wesleyan was NAIA when he balled there. I triple checked that when I saw his name pop up for Illinois Wesleyan on basketball-reference. I still for one find it a complete travesty to the basketball world that he isn't in the whole of fame while guys like Calvin Murphy, Chris Mullin, Connie Hawkins, Artis Gilmore, Wes Unseld, Cliff Hagan, Dennis Johnson, Jamaal Wilkes, Gail Goodrich, Joe Dumars, KC Jones, Jack Twyman, and Earl Monroe are in there. No way are they that much more demonstrably better than Sikma. Heck, Murphy only made one freaking all-star game in his entire career! You know who else also has been to only one all-star game? Jamaal Magloire.

[Sly Fox]

Sikma was a nice player for a few years but outside of DJ & Wilkes, he never transcended the game the way the others did on that list. And easy on the shots on Calvin, it wasn't as easy to make the All-Star Team today as it was back in the day with the overflowing rosters. Little C was a serious baller, ridiculously snappy dresser and incidentally a former colleague of mine back in my radio days.

[Purple Haize]

....and now has a broken wrist and out for the season

There is a lot of good material there

[lynchburgwildcats]

That's what happens when you shoot too much! It's your higher being's way of saying "Pass the freaking ball! if you won't do it, then by golly I'll force you to stop shooting!"