[BJWilliams]

BJ brings up the anti-JB guys more than they actually show up.

The reason they dont show up as much anymore is because all that happens is they get piled on because people are tired of the same old song and dance routine

[SuperJon]

Then stop talking about them. It's not that hard of a concept.

[Bigsouthking]

SJ -- Coastal new coach is multi millionaire, he bought that job basically... The AD didn't hire him, the President chose him... He paid money for Nebraska's hoops arena and became tight with Tom Osborne....(but he probably is showing better than Gill...

And regarding the BJ post about the AD at LU.... Read my earlier post.... When is the Big 3 hires of baseball, basketball, football pay off.... A lot of $$$ invested...

My thoughts on hiring Big South coaches is too take the Winthrop example when the hired GM... Young, hungry too win, pay him cheap and earn more as he goes..... But LU does the opposite of that, hire experience pay a ton, still waiting on championship/playoffs, etc....

[SuperJon]

They now have a coach who isn't a complete joke.

jury's still out on that. The fact that he is a coach is a joke. I certainly haven't seen anything out of coastal this year to make me think otherwise. I guess the fact that they are not a complete disaster has exceeded my expectations for him.

They're doing far better than I expected them to do. They kept it close with Stony Brook which is likely better than we'll be able to say. I'd say we've been moved to the third best team in the conference until we can prove otherwise.

[Purple Haize]

My thoughts on hiring Big South coaches is too take the Winthrop example when the hired GM... Young, hungry too win, pay him cheap and earn more as he goes..... But LU does the opposite of that, hire experience pay a ton, still waiting on championship/playoffs, etc....

This is an approach I've advocated for a llooooonnnngggg time. I do think/hope Gill will be the exception to the more recent trends.
But if there are any Upward GM's out there who are looking for a similar approach give me a call. I know plays and everything

[logic]

The fact that he is a coach is a joke. I certainly haven't seen anything out of coastal this year to make me think otherwise. I guess the fact that they are not a complete disaster has exceeded my expectations for him.

Um...you realize they did just beat us right? If a guy who just beat us is a joke...what does that say about us?
I don't care who you are, if you are the former the CEO of TD Ameritrade you can

1. Inspire those who follow you. 2. Run an organization 3. Make great decisions in times of great stress. 4. Handle pressure well. 4. Evaluate talent efficiently and effectively. 5. Talk to and more importantly persuade people

As far as football knowledge, the guy has coached before. So what's the problem? What's the joke? No one around here seems to be laughing.

[BJWilliams]

I think its the issue of the fact that his only significant head coaching experience is in a league that doesnt even exist now.

[jcmanson]

I just hope CCU stays in the league so we keep the auto bid. Then all we have to do is beat them and we're in the playoffs.

[TCsquared]

Rocco probably would have got the ball in the end zone vs Norfolk St and Lehigh. Run the ball.

[NotAJerry]

I think its comical that some people really believe Rocco would've done much better with this team. The only thing he would give us is the fact the team wouldn't of had to learn a new philosophy. That gives us maybe 1 more win...maybe. Rocco put all of his eggs into last season and STILL couldn't get it done.

I am so thankful for what Rocco did for this program but come on...

Rocco has stepped into a Richmond team that the previous coach had driven off a cliff, 3-8 last season after 3 straight 11 plus wins and a national title preceding him, and already has that team at 5-3. Rocco had some obvious flaws, but he's proving at his second straight job that he immediately improves teams that have bad coaches. Yes, this team would be doing better this year under Rocco.

Gill should get 3 years to see what he can do, but the start looks a lot like 5 of his first 6 years as a head coach and that's awful.

[NotAJerry]

like i said adapt. use two TE sets and that helps the running game. Apon and Gunn are big TE's who can block. haize i know you are on Gill's payroll!

This, exactly this. Our coaching staff is showing absolutely no ability to change when the circumstances dictate it. That's a very basic component of good coaching and they don't seem to have it.

[NotAJerry]

The fact that he is a coach is a joke. I certainly haven't seen anything out of coastal this year to make me think otherwise. I guess the fact that they are not a complete disaster has exceeded my expectations for him.

Um...you realize they did just beat us right? If a guy who just beat us is a joke...what does that say about us?
I don't care who you are, if you are the former the CEO of TD Ameritrade you can

1. Inspire those who follow you. 2. Run an organization 3. Make great decisions in times of great stress. 4. Handle pressure well. 4. Evaluate talent efficiently and effectively. 5. Talk to and more importantly persuade people

As far as football knowledge, the guy has coached before. So what's the problem? What's the joke? No one around here seems to be laughing.

He coached 20 years ago as a defensive coordinator for Dartmouth. Last year he was the worst coach, by far, in the UFL. The one thing he's doing right is going after top assistants and leaving things in their hands. He's not even really coaching as much as being a CEO of a football team.

[Purple Haize]

like i said adapt. use two TE sets and that helps the running game. Apon and Gunn are big TE's who can block. haize i know you are on Gill's payroll!

This, exactly this. Our coaching staff is showing absolutely no ability to change when the circumstances dictate it. That's a very basic component of good coaching and they don't seem to have it.

How do you know? Do you think that just maybe they have made adjustments from what they wanted to do from Day 1 of the season? How do you know what we are seeing on the field AREN'T the adjustments? You are still mad they made the QB switch and that's arguably the biggest adjustment, and IMO the best move, of the season.

[forbidden]

Well I guess we shall see who has the better staffs next year as Liberty and Richmond will meet in the first of a home and home series.

I just dont understand how people can expect that with very little talent how you expect Gill and Co to be as successful as some as asking. If this team was loaded with as much talent as some say then I could understand frustration from fans if not doing well. If all this talent was so good they would have been given an opportunity to start well before the other starters were injured

[TCsquared]

Well I guess we shall see who has the better staffs next year as Liberty and Richmond will meet in the first of a home and home series.

I just dont understand how people can expect that with very little talent how you expect Gill and Co to be as successful as some as asking. If this team was loaded with as much talent as some say then I could understand frustration from fans if not doing well. If all this talent was so good they would have been given an opportunity to start well before the other starters were injured

Gill had no time to recruit? Rocco left nothing?

[Hold My Own]

To be frank, I think the fan base around here is starting to rival some SEC fanbases in expectations.

Well then FlameFan's was first again!


Seriously though you should take a trip and do some reporting at a SEC game. It will change your perspective. People literally will threaten people's lives there... Here it's a lot of G rated whining and in return staff will have some g rated whining of their own about the whining. At SEC these types of things get admin nothing more then a chuckle, but even that might be considered indulging a bit to much.

[NotAJerry]

Well I guess we shall see who has the better staffs next year as Liberty and Richmond will meet in the first of a home and home series.

I just dont understand how people can expect that with very little talent how you expect Gill and Co to be as successful as some as asking. If this team was loaded with as much talent as some say then I could understand frustration from fans if not doing well. If all this talent was so good they would have been given an opportunity to start well before the other starters were injured

It's not a talent issue, it's an adaptability issue. Clearly our OL (pass blocking especially) and WR spots are problems right now while our RB and TE spots are major strengths, yet we keep trying to drop back and throw deep instead of running the ball and passing out of 2 TE sets (especially play action). We're running the same plays, and using the same player rotations, that we were when OL and WR were much healthier. That's a coaching issue and one that really calls into question the ability of this staff to see the obvious and at least try to correct it.

[thepostman]

I think its comical that some people really believe Rocco would've done much better with this team. The only thing he would give us is the fact the team wouldn't of had to learn a new philosophy. That gives us maybe 1 more win...maybe. Rocco put all of his eggs into last season and STILL couldn't get it done.

I am so thankful for what Rocco did for this program but come on...

Rocco has stepped into a Richmond team that the previous coach had driven off a cliff, 3-8 last season after 3 straight 11 plus wins and a national title preceding him, and already has that team at 5-3. Rocco had some obvious flaws, but he's proving at his second straight job that he immediately improves teams that have bad coaches. Yes, this team would be doing better this year under Rocco.

Gill should get 3 years to see what he can do, but the start looks a lot like 5 of his first 6 years as a head coach and that's awful.

Richmond still had talent though, they have more talent right now then Liberty does. You have to look at the whole picture here. Rocco left this program better then when he found it, but he didn't set things up very well for anybody to do well here this year including himself.

I realize its easy to get stuck in the moment and get overly emotional about things, and who knows Turner Gill may not pan out, but we have to give him some time.

Don't mistake my lack of criticism for a lack of frustration with the coaching staff. I am pretty sure I am frustrated with them for the same things everybody else is. I just am not going to take that frustration and jump to conclusions on them this early in their tenure.

[LUconn]

Um...you realize they did just beat us right? If a guy who just beat us is a joke...what does that say about us?

Have you been following us this season? It's obvious what getting beat by a joke says about us.

I don't care who you are, if you are the former the CEO of TD Ameritrade you can

1. Inspire those who follow you. 2. Run an organization 3. Make great decisions in times of great stress. 4. Handle pressure well. 4. Evaluate talent efficiently and effectively. 5. Talk to and more importantly persuade people

As far as football knowledge, the guy has coached before. So what's the problem? What's the joke? No one around here seems to be laughing.

find the thread where he was hired. We were all laughing. He bought his job!

[Bigsouthking]

All this whining about lack of talent.... I want to throw up!

Go back and look at your National signing day post/comments and look how you over hype the recruits, and why didn't TG get any transfers after he was hired to help the talent problem....

Typical Flame fans. Magnificent 7 in Hoops... Remember that hype??

LU football has enough talent to score 56 in a game, and only lose by 4 to an ACC...
But now it's a excuse on why we lose....

No athletic common sense on this board...

[Chippy]

It's true; however, most of that talent is on crutches. Unfortunately our talent level isn't as deep as some schools and it is showing as the year goes on. The game against WF was the most talent we had at one time for a game. Losing our All-American lineman started a domino's affect, shortly afterwards we lost another All-American (who plays 3 positions - CB, PR, KR) that continued with losing Stan Herring @ CCU.

We have been bit by the injury bug and an extraordinary number of TO's leading to points for the opposition, generally a formula for disaster regardless of the talent.

[ballah09]

how many walk-on's or former walkons are getting playing time/starting? i count 10. So Liberty does have a lack of talent or limited with injuries. good thing though is a few freshmen are showing flashes of being great, so the future is bright.

[ProudPapa73]

Well I guess we shall see who has the better staffs next year as Liberty and Richmond will meet in the first of a home and home series.

I just dont understand how people can expect that with very little talent how you expect Gill and Co to be as successful as some as asking. If this team was loaded with as much talent as some say then I could understand frustration from fans if not doing well. If all this talent was so good they would have been given an opportunity to start well before the other starters were injured

It's not a talent issue, it's an adaptability issue. Clearly our OL (pass blocking especially) and WR spots are problems right now while our RB and TE spots are major strengths, yet we keep trying to drop back and throw deep instead of running the ball and passing out of 2 TE sets (especially play action). We're running the same plays, and using the same player rotations, that we were when OL and WR were much healthier. That's a coaching issue and one that really calls into question the ability of this staff to see the obvious and at least try to correct it.

+1

[ProudPapa73]

LU is not a pro team. The runs up the middle fools no one and puts the team to sleep. Missing? End runs and short middle field passes. Having you r-fresh quarterback throw the "bomb" often is crazy. How can the defense get excited when they know the offense will go 3 and out or kick a field goal.

we are on the same page!

[NotAJerry]

I think its comical that some people really believe Rocco would've done much better with this team. The only thing he would give us is the fact the team wouldn't of had to learn a new philosophy. That gives us maybe 1 more win...maybe. Rocco put all of his eggs into last season and STILL couldn't get it done.

I am so thankful for what Rocco did for this program but come on...

Rocco has stepped into a Richmond team that the previous coach had driven off a cliff, 3-8 last season after 3 straight 11 plus wins and a national title preceding him, and already has that team at 5-3. Rocco had some obvious flaws, but he's proving at his second straight job that he immediately improves teams that have bad coaches. Yes, this team would be doing better this year under Rocco.

Gill should get 3 years to see what he can do, but the start looks a lot like 5 of his first 6 years as a head coach and that's awful.

Richmond still had talent though, they have more talent right now then Liberty does.

They also have a significantly tougher schedule so that mitigates most, if not all, of the talent difference. They've got wins over very good Villanova and JMU teams in the last 3 weeks.