[PAmedic]

SIGH

only saw the 1st half but not shocked when I dropped back in w/ 1 min to go

between the turnovers and key injuries this game was a microcosm of the season itself

[ToTheLeft]

I'm not a football mind, so I won't talk about any football.

Just really disappointed.

[PAmedic]

any word on Stan's injury?

[ToTheLeft]

any word on Stan's injury?

Chris Lang @ChrisLangLNA
Word on Liberty OG Stan Herring: Dislocated left elbow

I'm not a football expert tho. You should ask ProudPapa.

[PAmedic]

yup. thats exactly what I thought when they slow-mo'd him getting up

it looked pretty angulated

thats probably the best injury he couldve had tho

a fracture wouldve been it for the year

[Sly Fox]

What a frustrating game to watch. I'd hate to have the long trip home still soggy from Sandy.

[jinxy]

Miserable effort. Have to blame coaches when we are still making the same mistakes in week 9 that we were in week 1. Very dissappointed with this staff , way overhyped. We havent beaten one respectable team this year. Injuries or not that is unacceptable. A win next week wont change that

[jbock13]

This is just sad. That's all I have to say.

[Purple Haize]

Wow. I'm surrounded by bridge jumpers on one side and those effected by their Kool Aid on the other. I'm a coaching mind so I guess I can speak with authority. You lose 25% of your starters and you are going to struggle. You lose 25% of your starters and you are not deep to begin with you are courting disaster.
LU, and very few programs are, in a position to look at their programs in a linear fashion after a coaching change. Whether we should be or not is in material. We aren't and have to approach it from that stand point. This was going to be a frustrating year regardless. But considering how we finished last year with all that talent makes me feel confident with where we are with this amount of talent

[NotAJerry]

Losing starters doesn't excuse horrendous playcalling, a team that continues to make the same mistakes, turnovers, and a refusal to change from what isn't working. Good coaching staffs figure out how to adjust to their circumstances and find a way to get the best out of their players. These guys are not being coached well right now.

[TH Spangler]

Losing starters doesn't excuse horrendous playcalling, a team that continues to make the same mistakes, turnovers, and a refusal to change from what isn't working. Good coaching staffs figure out how to adjust to their circumstances and find a way to get the best out of their players. These guys are not being coached well right now.

lol

[Purple Haize]

You can make all of the adjustments you want but if you don have the talent there is only so much you can do. The ability to execute is commiserate with the talent you have and the talent you play against. You can't wave a magic wand

[TH Spangler]

And if you have a half dozen "plus" key players out? You run out of tricks?

[LUconn]

I stopped paying attention at some point. Did we score 12 points? And 6 of those were after the game was well in hand for Coastal. Maybe Gill shouldn't have given up the play calling duties? I don't know if he did any better, but our lack of offense is just really inexcusable. We have a great but young QB. A set of good RBs of 3 different run styles. An army of TEs. And a great WR. The O line is paper thin but surely with all of the other talent we can score more than 12 points.

[NotAJerry]

The abject refusal of our staff to call plays that specifically target our TEs is exhibit A of their inability/unwillingness to adapt to the circumstances. Our OL is brutally thin and we've got 1 legit WR, yet we keep running 3 WR sets and trying to throw deep. A good coaching staff would change things up and start featuring the TEs as Gunn and Apon have both shown they're legit. That's how you deal with injuries and any good coach would do so.

[Equinox]

It’s not the coaches that resulted in a loss, it was the players. Bad pursuit angles, arm tacking, poor performance by the quarterback, lack of effort by the wide receivers and a powder puff performance by the O-Line. Coastal came with the same intensity as Montana and once Liberty got smacked in the mouth the team decided to lie down. Gill and company are working with the prior regimes talent. I still believe that his current red-shirts, prospects and hopefully a 2 or 3 JUCOs will validate that his selection was not the wrong choice. Great players can make a coach look good. Poor players will cost you your job. Only a small handful of players will have positions secured next year and the quarterback will not be one of them. If his ultimate goal is to leave for greener BCS pastures he needs to put out strong run into the play-offs next year, before that $6 million over 3 years guaranteed Jay-hawk cash expires.

[NotAJerry]

It’s not the coaches that resulted in a loss, it was the players. Bad pursuit angles, arm tacking, poor performance by the quarterback, lack of effort by the wide receivers and a powder puff performance by the O-Line. Coastal came with the same intensity as Montana and once Liberty got smacked in the mouth the team decided to lie down. Gill and company are working with the prior regimes talent. I still believe that his current red-shirts, prospects and hopefully a 2 or 3 JUCOs will validate that his selection was not the wrong choice. Great players can make a coach look good. Poor players will cost you your job. Only a small handful of players will have positions secured next year and the quarterback will not be one of them. If his ultimate goal is to leave for greener BCS pastures he needs to put out strong run into the play-offs next year, before that $6 million over 3 years guaranteed Jay-hawk cash expires.

In college, it can be either coaches or players that make a team great. Look at KState. There's one 4 star recruit on the roster and they're in BCS title contention because of the fantastic work of Bill Snyder who always gets the most out of his teams. The other end of the spectrum is Cam Newton's affect on Gene Chizik. When you don't have that player/those players then you want a staff that maximizes the talent they have. I can't imagine anyone honestly saying this staff is maximizing the talent it has even before the injuries.

I've coached several sports over the years and good coaching makes the best out of situations. The teams that did better, mostly later in my coaching career, were often similar in talent, attitude, etc. to earlier teams that didn't do as well. The difference was learning to adapt to situations, and make hard decisions, instead of continuing to do the same things no matter how many times they didn't work. This coaching staff doesn't adapt. We've got 6.5 years of head coaching info on Turner Gill now and other than 1 season we've got a guy who loses a lot and who seems to be getting worse. Hopefully he turns it around, but he and his staff are doing a bad job this season.

Folks can cry about injuries all they want, but we were much healthier when we lost to an awful Norfolk St. team.

[flameshaw]

The abject refusal of our staff to call plays that specifically target our TEs is exhibit A of their inability/unwillingness to adapt to the circumstances. Our OL is brutally thin and we've got 1 legit WR, yet we keep running 3 WR sets and trying to throw deep. A good coaching staff would change things up and start featuring the TEs as Gunn and Apon have both shown they're legit. That's how you deal with injuries and any good coach would do so.

And where did you coach last? Thought so. .

[NotAJerry]

The abject refusal of our staff to call plays that specifically target our TEs is exhibit A of their inability/unwillingness to adapt to the circumstances. Our OL is brutally thin and we've got 1 legit WR, yet we keep running 3 WR sets and trying to throw deep. A good coaching staff would change things up and start featuring the TEs as Gunn and Apon have both shown they're legit. That's how you deal with injuries and any good coach would do so.

And where did you coach last? Thought so. .

Depends on the sport.

[Purple Haize]

Does Upward Bound count? Ha!
If you coached as much as you bragged you have then you above all should know that it's difficult to judge a coach unless you are in the locker room and practice.
I believe we have signed 3 OL for next season so there goes your 'they can't adapt' scenario
And do we really wan to compare coachin resumes?

[Cider Jim]

We'll likely end 5-6 (4-2 in conference) with another loss to Stony Brook and wins over Chuck South and VMI. Not a great season, but one we can build on for next year.

[Equinox]

Talent, desire, perpetration and the proper execution of a play will put a person, team, company in a position to be successful. I remember U of Buffalo when it was a DII school that Rutgers would schedule to guarantee a win. Turner for a brief period brought that program to a higher level. He was canned in two years at Kansas and Weiss has not done better. Yes Chizik had (Super) Cam ….and we have whom? Snyder is a very rear breed as is Chip Kelly, Les Miles, Sabin, and Chris Peterson. Playing coach on a play-station or X-box isn’t the same as coaching a human being. To be successful the team needs to buy in completely.

[scuzdriver]

Like all good Cub fans say: There's always next year! You have to give the staff more than a few games before you throw them to the curb.

[LU_legal_eagle]

I am guessing that we are going to end 5-6 this season. I am not a college football expert so this question goes to those of you that are. I keep hearing that we do not have the talent and that this is the prior regimes talent. Can Gill really recruit enough talent to turn this team around in a year. Its not like we are going to put a team full of true freshman on the field. So help me understand how this can be turned around in a year. I think we have a great kicker and a potentially great QB. But where is the talent going to come from to turn this around in one year?

[Cider Jim]

Eagle, we have many DI-A caliber kids red shirting this year, and we can sign DI-A transfers who can play immediately; plus, juco kids and some true freshmen. And once we get our walking wounded healthy next year, they can contribute, too.