[lynchburgwildcats]

Yahoo! and Pat Forde have finally spoke up on this
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/ncaaf--fbc ... ation.html

[BJWilliams]

Im not saying that this isnt a meaningful topic to discuss shuk, but you are REALLY desperate for this to gain traction so you can gain a modicum of relevance and self-importance arent you?

[lynchburgwildcats]

Im not saying that this isnt a meaningful topic to discuss shuk, but you are REALLY desperate for this to gain traction so you can gain a modicum of relevance and self-importance arent you?

I don't care about relevance or self-importance when it comes to some meaningless message board user like yourself. Oh wait, I forgot, you are the 2008 Poster of the Year I bow down in all o your heavenly glory

It's all about bringing down UNC.

[jmdickens]

aren't you a Kentucky fan? lol. The history of cheating at that purported educational institute is tantamount to a diploma mill.

Also, let's not forget Joe Dailey on our coaching staff is a UNC grad who majored in......yep, African American studies.

http://www.libertyflames.com/index.cfm? ... 7&TeamID=9

[Bigsouthking]

Just wondering if anyone caught the fact that LU football assistant Joe Dailey graduated with African-American studies degree from UNC.....

[adam42381]

Just wondering if anyone caught the fact that LU football assistant Joe Dailey graduated with African-American studies degree from UNC.....

I'm thinking the guy who posted directly above you caught it.

[lynchburgwildcats]

aren't you a Kentucky fan? lol. The history of cheating at that purported educational institute is tantamount to a diploma mill.

So what academic program covers paying players or point shaving? Wasn't aware those types of infractions encompassed academics like UNC's program for academic fraud.

[jmdickens]

please, the NCAA isn't going back to Chapel Hill over this because the NCAA knew about this from the previous investigation. You are almost as bad as a State fan and that says a lot.

Also, how many basketball players in the past few years has Cheating Cal had that appear to be part of Academic fraud? Eric Bledsoe ring a bell? How about Norleans Noel? You have a coach who has had 2 final fours vacated and wouldn't be surprised to find more vacated wins on the future. Glass half full, Cal is a good coach and great recruiter; however, he is the problem with college athletics.

[lynchburgwildcats]

please, the NCAA isn't going back to Chapel Hill over this because the NCAA knew about this from the previous investigation. You are almost as bad as a State fan and that says a lot.

Also, how many basketball players in the past few years has Cheating Cal had that appear to be part of Academic fraud? Eric Bledsoe ring a bell? How about Norleans Noel? You have a coach who has had 2 final fours vacated and wouldn't be surprised to find more vacated wins on the future. Glass half full, Cal is a good coach and great recruiter; however, he is the problem with college athletics.

"Eric Bledsoe ring a bell?" Does this ring a bell to you: independent investigators found no evidence to support allegations of academic fraud. Nice try, but lack of research, which took all of two minutes by using google, proves you are wrong yet again.

And there's nothing knowingly wrong with Nerlens Noel's academics. He went to high school four years and completed all the course work at a high enough grade level to qualify academically. Only reason he would have possibly used up a fifth year of HS is because the Tilton School assigned him to classes he had already taken and passed, that's why he ended up taking some classes this summer.

Once again, do some research. Google is your friend. Use it. Or do you prefer to go on the internet and just spout out false information?

Yes, Calipari is what is wrong with college athletics. Not academic fraud. Not agents and runners. Not illegal benefits. Not capitalizing off the names and images of athletes without giving them a cent. Not concerted cover ups of criminal activity. Not poor graduation rates for minority athletes. No, the problem is one college coach who has never actually been convicted of any NCAA violations. As one anonymous coach commented when asked a poll question by CBS Sports, "Everyone says he cheats, but when has he been caught?"

Forgive my mistake. One man who has never been caught for cheating is clearly a bigger problem for college athletics than anything else. Carry on kind sir, who else would you like to sully with false or misleading information?

[jmdickens]

Eric Bledsoe per wikipedia

"In September 2010, it was reported that Bledsoe may have been ineligible to play his one season for Kentucky when discrepancies were found in his high school transcripts.[1] The Alabama Public School System hired independent attorneys of the Birmingham-based law firm of White Arnold & Dow, led by former President of the Alabama State Bar Mark White and former Federal Court judge U.W. Clemon, to investigate claims that one of Bledsoe's grades was improperly changed.[2][3] One specific grade, an Algebra change from a C to an A, had raised Bledsoe's GPA high enough to make him NCAA-eligible.[3]

Though the investigators concluded that the instructor's reasons for changing the grade were "not credible," and that a significant number of his high school grades were written over to reflect higher scores/grades, the school board voted to allow the grade to stand, and the NCAA declared its investigation of Bledsoe's eligibility closed the following week."

The investigators said he shouldn't have received the higher grades, the school allowed it. Boy, that took all of 30 seconds to prove you're making things up. Does Kentucky have your integrity?

If Cal were at Louisville, I am sure he would be the scum of the earth, but your blue shades cover tunnel your vision. Not surprising at all from a UK fan.

[lynchburgwildcats]

Eric Bledsoe per wikipedia

"In September 2010, it was reported that Bledsoe may have been ineligible to play his one season for Kentucky when discrepancies were found in his high school transcripts.[1] The Alabama Public School System hired independent attorneys of the Birmingham-based law firm of White Arnold & Dow, led by former President of the Alabama State Bar Mark White and former Federal Court judge U.W. Clemon, to investigate claims that one of Bledsoe's grades was improperly changed.[2][3] One specific grade, an Algebra change from a C to an A, had raised Bledsoe's GPA high enough to make him NCAA-eligible.[3]

Though the investigators concluded that the instructor's reasons for changing the grade were "not credible," and that a significant number of his high school grades were written over to reflect higher scores/grades, the school board voted to allow the grade to stand, and the NCAA declared its investigation of Bledsoe's eligibility closed the following week."

The investigators said he shouldn't have received the higher grades, the school allowed it. Boy, that took all of 30 seconds to prove you're making things up. Does Kentucky have your integrity?

If Cal were at Louisville, I am sure he would be the scum of the earth, but your blue shades cover tunnel your vision. Not surprising at all from a UK fan.

YOu just proved my point. THe school allowed the grades to stand and the NCAA cleared him. But if you want to bring in quotes, try this one on for size:

An independent investigation into the high school transcript of former University of Kentucky basketball player Eric Bledsoe found no direct evidence to support allegations of academic fraud.

The report commissioned by the Birmingham City Schools and made public on Friday found that several grades were "conspicuously changed." The investigators found that a teacher's explanation for one questionable grade change was "not credible."

"We are unable to make a determination of whether the Hayes High School grades were changed," the report said.

The Associated Press reported that Craig Witherspoon, the Superintendent of Birmingham City Schools, said the investigators found no documentation to justify the improvement in Bledsoe's grade.

But, he said, the investigation did not prove the higher grade was improper, either.

dang, there I go just making up stuff again, falsely stating investigators said there was no evidence to support academic fraud even though investigators said there was nothing to support academic fraud! Took all of 30 seconds to find all the stuff you selectively left out to prove your point, which is incorrect. Better luck next time...

But yes, this is coming from a fan of a school, UNC, that received numerous penalties and sanctions for football academic fraud and could very well likely receive the same for basketball in light of the fact that their systematic program of academic fraud goes bak much deeper than originally thought and effected more than just the football team. Not to even mention the fact that Roy Williams has been found guilty of more NCAA violations than John Calipari. Did you conveniently forget the impermissible extra benefits Roy Williams knowingly and admittedly approved at Kansas that landed the Jayhawks on probation?

[jmdickens]

First, your statement:

" independent investigators found no evidence to support allegations of academic fraud.

You made a factual statement about the independent investigation, now your stating quotes that read there could have been fraud or could not have been fraud?

Second, retort:

The investigators found that a teacher's explanation for one questionable grade change was "not credible."

That is circumstantial evidence. Not direct, but it is evidence.

Let's see if I can give you an example, oh yes: You are a struggling student for 3 years, and now you're taking algebra 3 and you suddenly make an A on your test! Oh great, but one problem. You never took Algebra 2, and you did sub par in Algebra 1. Now, if you're a teacher,you must determine if this is coincidence or possibly foul play. A teacher could claim you cheated, this happens and is evidence, and on par with the Bledsoe situation. Oh and this the exact same thing that happened with Eric Bledsoe!!!

the investigation did not prove the higher grade was improper, either.

Another subjective statement to support your conclusion. Not once did the investigation state a yes or no about the situation, but rather allowed him to play, because they couldn't go either way.

Now, back to UNC. You are making some rather sweeping assumptions about what the NCAA is going to do. Another bad idea in terms of logic. "could very well likely" also means "will probably not" and we have no idea what the NCAA will do because they work in subjective terms. Remember, we believe in absolutes, so your arguments should be grounded in facts, not hearsay.

Additionally, "academic misconduct" is not academic fraud, so yes you are making things up. As Dr. Saxon used to say to us, "use your words carefully". Is this getting through yet?

Notwithstanding your attack on Roy Williams. Can you tell me what he did that was a NCAA violation? I know the layman's vague description, but find me more than "boosters gave kids graduation presents".

How many final fours has Cal lost? Do you ignore that on purpose? 2 of his 3 schools are still paying for the things that happened under his watch. If you want to be an apologist for UK, it is fine, just learn that he is a tainted coach and WILL run if the NCAA shows up. Just ask Umass and Memphis.

I hope you are attending Kentucky and not Liberty, your research and logic need some serious work and I would not like you representing our school if you succumb to every whisper as fact. It is not a good way to use subjective quotes to satisfy absolute statements, so you should work on that.

[4everfsu]

The best education money can buy....

http://espn.go.com/college-football/sto ... -tar-heels

[lynchburgwildcats]

How many final fours has Cal lost? Do you ignore that on purpose? 2 of his 3 schools are still paying for the things that happened under his watch. If you want to be an apologist for UK, it is fine, just learn that he is a tainted coach and WILL run if the NCAA shows up. Just ask Umass and Memphis.

I hope you are attending Kentucky and not Liberty, your research and logic need some serious work and I would not like you representing our school if you succumb to every whisper as fact. It is not a good way to use subjective quotes to satisfy absolute statements, so you should work on that.

If you're innocent, you're innocent. If you don't like it, then that's a personal problem you might want to get checked out.

Can you tell me what John Calipari did other than play a guy who was cleared by both Memphis and the NCAA or play a guy that turned out was paid by an agent? NCAA said in both cases he did no wrong and had no way of knowing, going so far as to label him an innocent bystander. But I guess we are only allowed to bring up some of the facts instead of all the facts.

The NCAA showed up for John Wall, Eric Bledsoe, and Enes Kanter. I thought Calipari was supposed to run when the NCAA showed up? Last time I check, and correct me if I am wrong since you apparently no so much more about Kentucky than I do, but Calipari is still employed as the men's basketball coach at Kentucky.

Meanwhile, Roy Williams was found guilty of knowingly allowing NCAA violations to occur that helped land Kansas on probation. Was it a stupid violation that shouldn't be a violation to begin with? Yes, most definitely yes, but facts are facts, Roy was guilty of violating rules that helped land Kansas on probation. I'm sure you'll just gloss over this and use revisionist history to proclaim his innocence despite the NCAA saying otherwise.

And no, I didn't attend Liberty. Liberty was never even in consideration for a second, and I'll just leave it at that.

[lynchburgwildcats]

The best education money can buy....

http://espn.go.com/college-football/sto ... -tar-heels

Guess he figures he should at least give some money to help a student that actually earns their grades since he didn't.

[jmdickens]

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/8586946/

"Roy Williams said he made a “mistake” when he approved gifts to graduating players and others who had used up their eligibility while coach at Kansas, but denied there was any intentional wrongdoing.

The violations, which Kansas reported to the NCAA last month, were among several involving three programs, ending in 2003. The school responded to violations in the football and women’s basketball programs by reducing scholarships, but the men’s basketball violation will be addressed through extra education about the rules regarding gifts.

No other sanctions against the program are planned."


http://www2.kusports.com/news/...mens_basketball

"The basketball violations involving one booster took place from 2002 through 2005.

During that time the booster (cited in the report as "representative 1") provided cash, transportation, clothing and other benefits totaling more than $5,000 to two men's basketball student-athletes. More than $4,500 in benefits was given to one student-athlete, his Amateur Athletics Union (AAU) coach and his family members, whom the booster befriended while the student-athlete was still in high school. The other student-athlete received benefits from the booster totaling approximately $450.

In its public report, the committee noted that it is "particularly troubled" by the booster transporting the student-athlete and his AAU coach to the 2004 Division I Men's Basketball Championship Regional Semi-Final and Regional Final contests. The distance was more than 1,000 miles and the booster paid for all transportation, lodging and meals for the student-athlete, as well as transportation costs for the AAU coach."

(Notes: 2004 was the first year of the Self era in Lawrence. The KU player who got $4,500 was Darnell Jackson, who was a freshman in 2004-2005.)

http://www2.kusports.com/news/...mens_basketball

"No penalty for Roy: Gene Marsh, chair of the infractions committee, said there was no thought of now penalizing former KU coach Roy Williams for approving small cash gifts to graduating seniors."

The truth is that KU, once they realized that basketball was in trouble for what happened under Self, included already known and concluded issues that occurred under Roy so that they'd have a public scapegoat once the penalties came down.

Now lynchburgwildcats, are you the LC student whom my sister caught cheating on a Western Civ test in 2009? I wouldn't be surprised. You seem to do a lot of revisionist history, so it would seem to fit.

Also, the NCAA has not investigated UK since Calipari has been at the helm. If I were a betting man, and used past history and logic in my conclusions, I would be willing to wager that UK will end up being punished just like Memphis and Umass.

Also, I don't "no" more about the history of Kentucky basketball than you. I am happy you decided to stick to one of the other local schools instead of harming Liberty.

[lynchburgwildcats]

Now lynchburgwildcats, are you the LC student whom my sister caught cheating on a Western Civ test in 2009? I wouldn't be surprised. You seem to do a lot of revisionist history, so it would seem to fit.

Also, the NCAA has not investigated UK since Calipari has been at the helm. If I were a betting man, and used past history and logic in my conclusions, I would be willing to wager that UK will end up being punished just like Memphis and Umass.

Also, I don't "no" more about the history of Kentucky basketball than you. I am happy you decided to stick to one of the other local schools instead of harming Liberty.

I have to say it would have been a mighty impressive feat on my part if I had been caught cheating on a Western Civ test at LC when I wasn't enrolled in any undergrad classes in 2009! I'm sure Julius Peppers and Sean May would be able to give me pointers on how to accomplish that though. Actually, I partially take that back, Sean May switched his major so he didn't even have to go to class.

[LUconn]

Here's a good article from an obscure site:

http://collegesportsbusinessnews.com/is ... dium=email

The NCAA was at UNC investigating before, albeit with Marcus Wilson doing the investigating. Wilson is a former UNC football player who now works for the NCAA Enforcement staff. Full disclosure: I have met Wilson and he seemed to me to be a man of integrity, but the conflict of interest and impropriety of assigning a former athlete to investigate his alma mater is too large to ignore and should have never happened according to the NCAA’s own bylaw 32.3.3 Conflict of Interest. It states, “Any enforcement staff member who has or had a personal relationship or institutional affiliation that reasonably would result in the appearance of prejudice should refrain from participating in any manner in the processing of the involved institution’s or individual’s infractions case.”

I don't really care to crucify UNC here. Maybe they deserve it, I don't know. I really just have begun to hate the NCAA. It's constant picking and choosing of when to enforce rules, when to investigate, when to clear people, when to drag their feet is all getting on the ridiculous side.

[jmdickens]

I think if you look at former Miami AD and former head of the NCAA infractions committee, Paul Dee, you can see why he wanted to go after UNC. He probably would have done more but he died this past May.

This guy was in charge of Miami when it was breaking NCAA rules. He did not like how Butch Davis left Miami and pretty much used his position to go after UNC. Yes, a few players at UNC broke rules, but the media was going way overboard and so was the NCAA. I would love if the major conferences would get out of the NCAA, but we know it wont happen.

[lynchburgwildcats]

told you folks this wasn't over...
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketb ... emic-fraud

NCAA president Mark Emmert told CBSSports.com on Monday that the NCAA hasn't yet determined whether North Carolina will face additional sanctions because of allegations of academic fraud pertaining to former student-athletes.

"We'll continue to monitor the situation and see what the facts are as they unfold from the investigations that [UNC] is involved with," Emmert said. "... And [then we'll see] if there's anything further that we need to do at that time."

Emmert's comments represent the first public confirmation from the NCAA that North Carolina remains susceptible to further sanctions because of previously undiscovered but now documented classes that featured little or no instruction and appear designed to do nothing more than keep student-athletes eligible. In light of the developments, UNC chancellor Holden Thorp announced last month that he will step down at the end of this academic calendar.

"[North Carolina is] working very diligently to get to the bottom of it," Emmert said. "We'll just have to see what the facts are as they become clearer."

And this revelation doesn't exactly help UNC's case any
http://www.newsobserver.com/2012/09/30/ ... -help.html

AFRI 370 is an upper-level course at UNC-Chapel Hill for seniors majoring in African and Afro-American studies and other students with a background in the study of Africa. It was touted to have “lectures, readings and research projects” on a significant problem facing African leaders or American officials tasked with African issues.

But when it came available in the spring semester of 2010, among those enrolled were several freshman football players who struggled to read and write at a college level.

Amongst other things presented that just show the classes were made with the sole purpose of the athletes having "tutors" do 99% of their work for them.

[Purple Haize]

Just like UK...

[BrysOn_G]

I was on my way through Chapel Hill this past weekend. Stopped at stoplight with my windows down, and someone threw a Swahili AND African American Studies degree in my truck. Said I didn't need to do anything for it.

One of the more recent News and Observer columns said the football players could hardly read. Tutors recommended videos for learning.

http://www.newsobserver.com/2012/09/30/ ... -help.html
***Just saw this article was just posted. Most recent article is: http://www.newsobserver.com/2012/10/02/ ... ss-at.html ***

[jmdickens]

N&O is a hack paper trying to sell to WolfPack fans to try and save their slow fading base. Regurgitate information that has been around for a year in hopes to get traction. Yawn