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By Purple Haize
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TH Spangler wrote:
Purple Haize wrote:Let us keep it simple.
I was unaware that abortion was the unpardonable sin.

Certainly not unpardonable, nothing is. But usually a consequence follows a poor choice. I have wondered many times, did God send us a little brain that contained the cure for cancer and we prematurely extinguished it?
I agree 100% that consequences follows poor choices. Any choice for that matter. God gave us Free Will (As did Rush, but I think they are different :D ) and lets be honest not all of us make the right choice. As for your last statement, who is to say that they weren't the next Manson, Pol Pot or Columbine shooters? To think that God PRE ordains a fetus to cure cancer is a stretch. Because if God is Omniscient then God would know that the fetus He wanted to predestine to cure cancer would be aborted, then why would He bestow that knowledge on a person who will not be born? There are also other scenarios that can play out going down that road.
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By TH Spangler
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Purple Haize wrote: To think that God PRE ordains a fetus to cure cancer is a stretch. Because if God is Omniscient then God would know that the fetus He wanted to predestine to cure cancer would be aborted, then why would He bestow that knowledge on a person who will not be born? There are also other scenarios that can play out going down that road.
I agree, God has infinite knowledge and understanding of all things, past, present and future. But like you said, for some reason God choose to give us freewill. In other words, we are free to choose our will over his and most of us do. So who's fault are the consequence, ours or his? Remember Gods will for man was an Eden environment and freewill changed a lot of things?
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By Purple Haize
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4everfsu wrote:Even a communist as Joseph Stalin came into power banned abortions, God help our country.
It wasn't out of any moral compunction. More people more soldiers. More people more Communists. Take a look at the number of Soviets killed in WW II and ordered killed by Stalin himself. They needed as many bodies as they could get.
China, also Communist, practices FORCED abortions.
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By Purple Haize
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TH Spangler wrote:
Purple Haize wrote: To think that God PRE ordains a fetus to cure cancer is a stretch. Because if God is Omniscient then God would know that the fetus He wanted to predestine to cure cancer would be aborted, then why would He bestow that knowledge on a person who will not be born? There are also other scenarios that can play out going down that road.
I agree, God has infinite knowledge and understanding of all things, past, present and future. But like you said, for some reason God choose to give us freewill. In other words, we are free to choose our will over his and most of us do. So who's fault are the consequence, ours or his? Remember Gods will for man was an Eden environment and freewill changed a lot of things?
The consequences are ours. It's been that way since Eden of the Bible. But those consequences do not include lessening Gods grace love or mercy.
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By TH Spangler
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Purple Haize wrote: But those consequences do not include lessening Gods grace love or mercy.
Very true, we agree! ..... He returned to provide us a solution for poor choices, a backdoor to reenter Eden. It's the love or mercy door .... Christ!
By ALUmnus
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Purple Haize wrote:ALU - any argument that starts 'It has long been established...' Is a weak one. Just because one party accepts it does not mean it is true. It could be just as easily said that the Right has lost sight and placed limits on Gods grace mercy and love. Who knew God had limits?
I think I disagree with every sentence in this response. Where has the "Right" placed limits on God's grace and mercy that God hasn't placed on Himself?
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By Purple Haize
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ALUmnus wrote:
Purple Haize wrote:ALU - any argument that starts 'It has long been established...' Is a weak one. Just because one party accepts it does not mean it is true. It could be just as easily said that the Right has lost sight and placed limits on Gods grace mercy and love. Who knew God had limits?
I think I disagree with every sentence in this response. Where has the "Right" placed limits on God's grace and mercy that God hasn't placed on Himself?
logic is a perfect example. You can't be Christian if you vote Democratic
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By Purple Haize
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To finish my thought before I was so rudely interrupted by work.....
THe Right is seen as trying to push its agenda on the rest of America. Whether it be an unwillingness to help the poor via Welfare, the sick via National Healthcare, or the Rights fear of gay marriage and women's choice. These are seen by outsiders as the Rights attempt to Christiansize America
By ALUmnus
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Purple Haize wrote:To finish my thought before I was so rudely interrupted by work.....
THe Right is seen as trying to push its agenda on the rest of America. Whether it be an unwillingness to help the poor via Welfare, the sick via National Healthcare, or the Rights fear of gay marriage and women's choice. These are seen by outsiders as the Rights attempt to Christiansize America
Really? Because that has terribly little to do with Christianity and everything to do with Conservatism.

Scorcho, I wish I could see that picture, but, alas, it didn't make it though my filter.
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By Purple Haize
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The Christian Right opposes Gay Marriage. The Christian Right opposes Abortion. The Christian Right opposes National Health Care. The Christian Right opposes a lot and wants things their way only
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By Wilberforce91
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Goodness, I knew it wouldn't be long before I succumbed to the desire to jump in on one of the FF political discussions...I guess that's what being a former Helms School student will do to ya.

Haize, I've got to disagree with you on this one. I would argue that it's the Left that is that is pushing their worldview on the United States. When you say "their way only," well, that's funny because that's the way the Left operates as well. And as far as the discussion about legislating morality, are not the Great Society or the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act the legislation of morality (that we should help 'the least of these')?

Your arguments regarding the Right not wanting to help the poor and sick are misinformed; there are many on the Christian Right that want to help the poor and the sick and do so themselves, or via their Church or another organization. What the Christian Right opposes is legal plunder and coercive rescue - redistributive taxation and government welfare - that is not biblical. Yes, as Christians, members of God's Kingdom, we are called to help the poor and the sick, not pass the buck off to the government and be coerced into it (via the tax code, etc.). Coerced love is not love at all. Not to mention that many of the issues of poverty or extremely high medical costs are a result of government interference in the marketplace.

Now, regarding gay 'marriage' rights and abortion. Bunk. Homosexuals have the same rights as heterosexuals do - they have the freedom to marry whomever they desire of the opposite sex as long as they are of age and not a distant relative. So the call for 'equal rights' is out of the window. The push for gay 'marriages' is a push to normalize homosexual behavior, which at risk of further disruption of the thread topic, is pretty clearly dealt with in Scripture. There are many life-long, love-based relationships I have in my life - my parents, my brothers, my close friends, the guys on my hall - but none of those relationships can be defined as marriage. Marriage is a covenant relationship of one man, one woman, for life that reflects the nature of a triune God. Anything other than that is not true, biblical marriage. If the argument for it is based on tax benefits or healthcare, change the tax code or laws regarding healthcare, but to demand that I as a Christian recognize a homosexual partnership as marriage is a violation of my conscience.

Abortion has been dealt with fairly well through the posts, so I won't go into much other than saying that the Pro-Choice movement is really a Pro-Have-Sex-With-Whomever-You-Want-Whenever-You-Want-And-Don't-Face-The-Consequences movement. It is the slaughter of an innocent human life, no matter its developmental stage (the zygote has a unique and fully human DNA). The baby's right to life trumps (no pun intended...at least its on topic) the mother's rights to liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

The problem is that as a culture, process philosophy and relativism is the dominant worldview and has been at least for the last century. God has been removed as the Creator and Sustainer of all things, and in His place, man has been raised to become the measure of all things. And what is government, but man aggregated? If there is no God, something must take His place - that something is the State, and if the State takes the place of God, it must take on the attributes of God - omnipotence, omnipresence, and omniscience. That has been the story since the turn of the 20th century. And at times, both parties are to blame for the massive expansion of government power, however, one party tends to expand it more than the other, or at least desires to do so. Jesus said the greatest commandment is to love God supremely and love our neighbors as ourselves. A limited government allows for this command to be obeyed to its fullest degree.

And personally, I know quite a few people who are faithful Christians and vote Democrat, and while I disagree with their political choices and think they operate from wrong presuppositions, I still call them friends, and brothers and sisters in Christ. Just a few thoughts from one of those crazy Moral Majority types! :D
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By alabama24
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What an embarrassment:
Michael Cohen said in a statement to ABC News. " I conferred with Johnny Moore at Liberty University and questioned whether Jesus would 'get even.' The answer is 'he would & he did.' Johnny explained that the bible is filled with stories of God getting even with his enemies, Jesus got even with the Pharisees and Christians believe that Jesus even got even with Satan by rising from the dead. God is portrayed as giving grace, but he is also portrayed as one tough character - just as Trump stated."
http://news.yahoo.com/donald-trumps-hol ... itics.html
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By Purple Haize
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WILBER I'm not going to quote your whole well thought out missive but will take key points to your argument and point out what the Christian Left would disagree
The Great Society and the ACA should be embraced by Christian because it is doing exactly as Christ commands. It is helping those in need. The Christian Left would argue that we should embrace the call for contributing more to these programs, thus helping complete Christs charge.
You are correct that Christians should give to help the needy. Why begrudge the govt money to help with that?
You say homosexuals are free to marry whomever they want....so long as they are of the opposite sex. That right there is contradictory. The Christian Left would say you are allowing marriage only for those who are heterosexual. Homosexuals who wish to spend their lives together have no recourse, except in MA and HI and a few other States. They can not file federal taxes jointly, they do not have right of receivership when their partner dies, and a myriad of other legal issues that heterosexual couples take for granted.
Your arguments on abortion is what the Christian Left would say is totally forcing belief on others. No one is forced to have an abortion. In fact, if people didn't have abortions the providers would dry up this eliminating the problem. And when does life start? Should we legislate against contraception? Isn't the potential for life the same as life? Can women use The Pill or are they committing PRE meditated murder? Same with Men and condoms. No one is forcing people to have consensual sex. People can chose to have sex or not. (Rape is obviously a different story)
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By TH Spangler
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Purple Haize wrote:As for your last statement, who is to say that they weren't the next Manson, Pol Pot or Columbine shooters?
I think they fall into the freewill, poor choices, horrible consequences category ...
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By TH Spangler
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Purple Haize wrote:The Christian Right opposes Gay Marriage. The Christian Right opposes Abortion. The Christian Right opposes National Health Care. The Christian Right opposes a lot and wants things their way only
Yeah, and those dumy's beleive what they read in the Bible also. What are we going to do with them. :wink:
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By Purple Haize
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TH Spangler wrote:
Purple Haize wrote:The Christian Right opposes Gay Marriage. The Christian Right opposes Abortion. The Christian Right opposes National Health Care. The Christian Right opposes a lot and wants things their way only
Yeah, and those dumy's beleive what they read in the Bible also. What are we going to do with them. :wink:
National Healthcare is in the Bible? Study
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By TH Spangler
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Purple Haize wrote:
TH Spangler wrote:
Purple Haize wrote:The Christian Right opposes Gay Marriage. The Christian Right opposes Abortion. The Christian Right opposes National Health Care. The Christian Right opposes a lot and wants things their way only
Yeah, and those dumy's beleive what they read in the Bible also. What are we going to do with them. :wink:
National Healthcare is in the Bible? Study
Like meatloaf says, "two outta three ain't bad" ...... And many view "Government" healthcare as depending to much on the King. Governor Romney is against it, right?

1 Samuel 8:14-15

14 The king will take your best fields, as well as your vineyards, and olive orchards and give them to his own officials. 15 He will also take a tenth of your grain and grapes and give it to his officers and officials.
By LUconn
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Johnny tried to spin that and just completely failed. I see what he's trying to say but that looks pretty silly. It was really unnecessary to be trying to align ourselves with Trump's personal philosophies.
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By TH Spangler
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Purple Haize wrote:Perhaps if the Church would do its job Govt wouldn't have to do it for them?
Sometimes I think the Government wants to do the Churches work, so she can't ...... The Church might empower individuals while helping them? And they might get to know the REAL KING! Giving the Government less power over them?
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By Purple Haize
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TH Spangler wrote:
Purple Haize wrote:Perhaps if the Church would do its job Govt wouldn't have to do it for them?
Sometimes I think the Government wants to do the Churches work, so she can't ...... The Church might empower individuals while helping them? And they might get to know who the REAL KING! Giving the Government less power over them?
But considering more churches have high def TVs large building and fancy interiors then food banks the perception can be that the Church ISN'T doing its job
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By TH Spangler
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43 million on government food stamps? ..... It's hard to find a "truly" needy person in this country. I think the Church is ready to step up, but like I said, the king has his agenda, and he doesn't want the Church influencing his supporter/voters?
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