[bluedevilflame]

Here's my prediction for this thread...

[logic]

I will respond to this after the new rankings come out. Should be good after that Tech loss.

[logic]

You really are completely incapable of logical thought, aren't you? Which part of the above statement, "Nothing today from the B1G was any better than the mostly bad play in the ACC," did you not understand? The B1G and ACC are pretty much a wash in football, with the B1G on a sustained downward move, and the ACC is far superior in basketball. The ACC isn't very good in football, but neither is the B1G and the ACC has the advantage in most other sports.

1. The ACC has two ranked teams right now, the Big Ten has four.
2. The ACC was 2-6 in bowls last year, the Big Ten 4-6
3. With regards to all sports, the ACC had 4 programs ranked in the top 25 in the final director's cup standings last year, the Big Ten had 5 programs in the top 25.


So the Big Ten has more ranked football teams this year, and was better in Bowl games last year. I predict the Big Ten will win more bowl games this year as well. The ACC has the advantage in most other sports? The facts would say otherwise as the Director's Cup Standings have more Big Ten programs in the top 25.

I'll give you basketball. Obviously the ACC is better than the Big Ten in basketball. But the numbers say the Big Ten is better in football, and having more programs in the top 25 of the Director's cup tells me that the Big Ten is better all around as well.

How can you debate these numbers? When you make a statement like this...

...and the ACC has the advantage in most other sports.

and lack any solid facts or numbers to back it up you lose a lot of credibility in your argument.

[Purple Haize]

Great. Now I'm gonna have to make room for logic in the NAJ Iggy Room

[NotAJerry]

I will respond to this after the new rankings come out. Should be good after that Tech loss.

The rankings right now are completely irrelevant as they're not even based on anything that is used in the BCS formula (which is a complete crock itself).

[NotAJerry]

You really are completely incapable of logical thought, aren't you? Which part of the above statement, "Nothing today from the B1G was any better than the mostly bad play in the ACC," did you not understand? The B1G and ACC are pretty much a wash in football, with the B1G on a sustained downward move, and the ACC is far superior in basketball. The ACC isn't very good in football, but neither is the B1G and the ACC has the advantage in most other sports.

1. The ACC has two ranked teams right now, the Big Ten has four.
2. The ACC was 2-6 in bowls last year, the Big Ten 4-6
3. With regards to all sports, the ACC had 4 programs ranked in the top 25 in the final director's cup standings last year, the Big Ten had 5 programs in the top 25.

The rankings literally mean nothing as the AP rankings aren't even used in the BCS formula.

Yes, both conferences are terrible in bowl games and have been for years now. That proves my point, not yours.

The ACC is much better than the B1G in the only other money sport, basketball, and is miles ahead in baseball. Who really cares if the B1G is better at lawn darts and jousting or some other completely irrelevant sport at the collegiate level?

ND is not going to pay $50 million dollars for a lateral move in football and a massive step down in basketball.

[ALUmnus]

When was the last time the ACC was better than the B1G in basketball? My memory doesn't go back that far.

[LUconn]

prepare for some ACC/Big 10 challenge records

[adam42381]

http://statsheet.com/mcb/conferences/co ... ten&c1=acc

[NotAJerry]

http://statsheet.com/mcb/conferences/co ... ten&c1=acc

Fantastic site.

Interesting to see that out of 19 different areas rated that the B1G was better than the ACC in a whopping 4. Those include the strength of schedule of their non conference opponents (which doesn't mean those non conference opponents are actually good, just that they play tough schedules) and the number of close games in their conference games.

The ACC is better, often by a pretty wide margin, in areas like NCAA tourney winning percentage, Sweet Sixteen teams, Final Four teams, and NCAA Champs (10-4). Throw in the addition of Pittsburgh and Syracuse and the basketball side gets stronger for the ACC.

Back to the point at hand, ND is not going to pay a $50 million exit fee for a lateral football move to a conference in steep decline and a significant dropoff in basketball quality.

[logic]

I completely agreed that the Big Ten isn't as strong in basketball. Everyone knows that. I am a smart guy and go on facts and logic. Duh to the ACC being better in basketball. Football is a different story. A better Big Ten bowl winning % than the ACC, regardless of how bad, still says they're better. I never said the Big Ten was the best football conference, just that it was better than the ACC.

You don't have to be faster than a bear....just be faster than the slowest guy trying to out run it.

[ATrain]

If ND football is going to go anywhere, it'll be where it makes the most sense financially regardless of competition and the rest of the sports will tag along.

[jbock13]

I am a smart guy and go on facts and logic.

[jlread]

Random question but could our hockey go d1 nonclub an positively affect our new conference alignment ?

http://www.chicagonow.com/legends-leade ... ge-hockey/

[logic]

Oh wow. I'm going to be very charitable here and politely say no. This has been discussed quite a bit in the past, but there is no way we are taking ice hockey to NCAA status in the forseeable future. The primary reasons are budget and Title IX. So let's avoid what will be a long sidebar filled with posts devoid of knowledge of the sport and move on.

+1 Most students in my classes think hockey is already an NCAA sport.

[jlread]

Ok just wishful thinking. That's sorta sad cause we have a sweet facility. But yeah its super expensive with probably minimal return. I think Penn state had like 80-100 million donated towards moving up.

[logic]

It is nice for club level hockey...not nearly big enough for NCAA Hockey.

Speaking of Penn's new arena - http://www.gopsusports.com/sports/m-hoc ... ction.html

6,000 seats and two full size rinks.

[TH Spangler]

Random question but could our hockey go d1 nonclub an positively affect our new conference alignment ?

http://www.chicagonow.com/legends-leade ... ge-hockey/

If I remember right, JFJR said on FF that a new Civic Center would include ice for hockey?

How are the plans for the Civic Center advancing?

Lynchburg’s studies on the new Civic Center are finding that the Lynchburg region will support a new Civic Center. If built, it will likely be located just to the west of the new lacrosse and field hockey fields at the edge of Campus East. Liberty will use the Civic Center for basketball games, concerts and other events.

http://www.libertychampion.com/2011/12/ ... hancellor/

[ballah09]

what i've been told, hockey wont get a look until football is complete ala fbs invite and stadium is complete at least. maybe after liberty's campus expansion is complete too. so you're looking atleast 7-12 maybe 20 years from now.

civic center would allow ice shows and lynchburg to bring a pro hockey team in. penn state had to start from scratch that's why it took 100 million to move up like building the new arena. lahaye wouldnt be the smallest arena if they moved up.

[ATrain]

Ice hockey won't affect our FBS aspirations. Most full time D-I athletic conferences in general do not sponsor ice hockey, and until the B1G started no BCS conference did. Ice hockey tends to be a sport with its own conferences on the college landscape.

That said, we're not going to be doing ice hockey at the NCAA DI level anytime soon.

[Purple Haize]

Buy some glasses ATrain! You need greater vision!

[jlread]

Like I said just wishful thinking. But even though Penn states new Awesome Facility has 6000 seats. Our current facility could probably fit half that right? and with upgrades maybe another 1 or 2G's in their? But my original question was more intended to get a response of wether or not Hockey could Make us more valuable to a conference invite now or in the Future? For example, If we are 10 years or even 15 years down the Road and we have D1 varsity hockey(or ready to add it comfortably) and we want to leave the Sunbelt because its about as cool as the Big south is now. Could we get people motivated to take us because we have D1 hockey available.

[logic]

D1 Ice Hockey will play absolutely no role whatsoever in a move up to FBS or as "bait" for a lateral FBS move. While hockey fans are a loyal bunch, the sport isn't mainstream enough at the college level to consider it a game changer with regards to conference affiliation.

[ATrain]

Like I said just wishful thinking. But even though Penn states new Awesome Facility has 6000 seats. Our current facility could probably fit half that right? and with upgrades maybe another 1 or 2G's in their? But my original question was more intended to get a response of wether or not Hockey could Make us more valuable to a conference invite now or in the Future? For example, If we are 10 years or even 15 years down the Road and we have D1 varsity hockey(or ready to add it comfortably) and we want to leave the Sunbelt because its about as cool as the Big south is now. Could we get people motivated to take us because we have D1 hockey available.

The answer is no. Other than the B1G, no FBS conference sponsors hockey as a D1 sport. Essentially the sport has its own conferences.

[BJWilliams]

Wouldnt that also render logic's point moot then ATrain?