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By adam42381
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El Scorcho wrote:
BJWilliams wrote:and corrupt weak minded souls like jlread along the way
That is unexpectedly vitriolic of you, BJ. It's also not allowed on FlameFans. Cut it out.
He's been like that for a while. Maybe all that loving he was expecting as a result of marriage hasn't panned out...
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By Sly Fox
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For what it is worth, I just posted a slew of pics from the gameday experience on Facebook. Just go to the FlameFans page and you'll find photography aplenty.
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By flameshaw
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jlread wrote:Liberty sucks....Its not a new coaches fault. I think its time for a new training/conditioning staff...I don't care if the dude lifts cars for a living or slams boulders in Colorado for breakfast. We need less injuries we should've won this game. I don't see how this guy sleeps at night(Dr Horton could train this guy into shape) while players are getting slammed an hurt 24-7 I just can't help but wonder what preventive training could be improved..:(. Gill is working with poo.
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By truthorconsequences
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JK37 wrote:
truthorconsequences wrote:
flamesfan30 wrote:montana is a better football team then wake forest.
Well Montana got beat by App St and yesterday the Citadel crushed App St in Boone, NC 52-28. So let's not crown Montana all that yet. Howard beats Norfolk St. FSU could have beat WF worse.. up 38-0 at half. How tough is our tough schedule?
Okay, I'll bite.

Using transitive properties, it certainly is difficult to tell how tough our schedule is. If anything, the program lacked depth at a few key positions, and those positions have been hit hard. Lacking depth, I believe, has more to do with a previous regime that put all its eggs into one basket (last season), and then bolted when the expectations beyond that basket were made clear. But one thing is true: relative to the schedules played in recent history, it is by far our toughest; and not just because Liberty is losing. So, relatively, the toughness of this scheudle cannot be disputed.

Injuries happen. It's a violent sport. No one deserves to be fired for them. NO ONE! So, let's please stop that ridiculous talk right there.

Liberty's football team has yet to win a conference championship outright in the Big South auto-bid era. This could still be the year. And if it is, whther or not its the most talented team in the program's history, it will be the most historic moment in its history. And then, there will be more to come thereafter. This team can still achieve more than any team before. An outright conference championship has always been and continues to be the goal. Giving this staff time to figure itself and its team out, while enduring a more relatively difficult schedule than the previous ever faced, is something I am more than willing to do.

Money does not equal wins, nor are wins the only thing that matters at Liberty University. Its been documented ad nauseum here how much more funding all of our athletic programs receive and dispense as compared to the rest of the Big South. But steady growth fortifies a stronger foundation, while requiring some semblance of patience. Expectations and urgency are great; understanding and realism are, too. Let us not forget the numerous ways in which lives are still being positively impacted for Christ at Liberty University, through its athletic department as well as numerous other areas. Winning will continue to be a byproduct of that impact.
Go Flames!
Understanding and realism...please tell that to your AD look at his comments and decisions.
Cause of Christ...absolutely should be, but unfortunately is used by some to shield their personal agendas...just look at the decision when we had a convicted felon who may help us win...used as a shield to dodge accoutability. Maybe you need to see who has understanding and is real.
By jimflamesfan
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TorC should be the last to talk about someone having an agenda. I just looked at the Wake Forest postmortum thread....three pages of posts...none from TorC. He only posts when LU loses and it fits his agenda. It's sad, really.
By truthorconsequences
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jimflamesfan wrote:TorC should be the last to talk about someone having an agenda. I just looked at the Wake Forest postmortum thread....three pages of posts...none from TorC. He only posts when LU loses and it fits his agenda. It's sad, really.
Yes I have an agenda and have never wavered...I want what is best for the LU, the vision Dr Falwell launched and the awesome eternal impact on lives. "The end of education is to see men made whole, both is competence and in conscience. For to create the power of competence without creating a corresponding direction to guide the use of their power is bad education. Furthermore, competence will finally disintegrate apart from conscience." J. S. Dickey

Athletics could be more with different leadership.
By flamehunter
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Posting on a message board is not going to help you accomplish that TorC. Take your brilliant ideas, (wait, what are your ideas other than fire JB) and put them to use where it will do some good, if that is at all possible.
By logic
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truthorconsequences wrote:
jimflamesfan wrote:TorC should be the last to talk about someone having an agenda. I just looked at the Wake Forest postmortum thread....three pages of posts...none from TorC. He only posts when LU loses and it fits his agenda. It's sad, really.
Yes I have an agenda and have never wavered...I want what is best for the LU, the vision Dr Falwell launched and the awesome eternal impact on lives. "The end of education is to see men made whole, both is competence and in conscience. For to create the power of competence without creating a corresponding direction to guide the use of their power is bad education. Furthermore, competence will finally disintegrate apart from conscience." J. S. Dickey

Athletics could be more with different leadership.

We're more successful under JB than we've ever been, and it's not JUST because of the money and facilities like you seem to think. Are you in Lynchburg? We should meet up and discuss in logical, rational terms how good JB has been for LU. I have some insight that may open your eyes.
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By bluedevilflame
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can't wait for people to calm down after we make a run through our conference schedule...

If we lose to say Concord, then I'll be complaining
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By Purple Haize
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logic wrote:
truthorconsequences wrote:
jimflamesfan wrote:TorC should be the last to talk about someone having an agenda. I just looked at the Wake Forest postmortum thread....three pages of posts...none from TorC. He only posts when LU loses and it fits his agenda. It's sad, really.
Yes I have an agenda and have never wavered...I want what is best for the LU, the vision Dr Falwell launched and the awesome eternal impact on lives. "The end of education is to see men made whole, both is competence and in conscience. For to create the power of competence without creating a corresponding direction to guide the use of their power is bad education. Furthermore, competence will finally disintegrate apart from conscience." J. S. Dickey

Athletics could be more with different leadership.

We're more successful under JB than we've ever been, and it's not JUST because of the money and facilities like you seem to think. Are you in Lynchburg? We should meet up and discuss in logical, rational terms how good JB has been for LU. I have some insight that may open your eyes.
logic, you poor soul. This is a lost cause. He has a personal vendetta against JB. That's all there is too it plain and simple. What would be interesting would be to see which AD we have had hedid like. But since I don't really care much about his opinion it would be a waste of time
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By BJWilliams
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adam42381 wrote:
El Scorcho wrote:
BJWilliams wrote:and corrupt weak minded souls like jlread along the way
That is unexpectedly vitriolic of you, BJ. It's also not allowed on FlameFans. Cut it out.
He's been like that for a while. Maybe all that loving he was expecting as a result of marriage hasn't panned out...
The marriage is goin great actually. Anyway, my apologies Scorcho and also to jlread. I was wrong for saying that.
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By michaeleyou
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Perhaps you guys who are so disenchanted with the direction of our program should become fans of some other team. Richmond maybe?? :idea:
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By ProudPapa73
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The good; boards like this to speak freely, opine, complain, etc.
The bad; boards like this to speak freely, opine, complain, etc.
The ugly: boards like this to speak freely, opine, complain, etc.
Can't we all just not get along?
Crybaby

Go Flames!!!
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By Kolzilla41
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TorC, I've seen you complain for years now. Not once once offered anything other than Barber hate rhetoric. Whatever he did to you, let it go man.
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By Sly Fox
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By the way, an old school LU alum from the '70s who does photography for the Montana program has posted his work on the following link:

Click Here

I spotted a number of FlameFans posters in his gallery.
By Bigsouthking
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LU football if winning = all is well no wrong can be done.

LU football if losing = It's not all about wins, it's more about changing lives.

:dontgetit
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By bluedevilflame
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Bigsouthking wrote:LU football if winning = all is well no wrong can be done.

LU football if losing = It's not all about wins, it's more about changing lives.

:dontgetit
While absolutely not a bad thing, I can't help but to :roll: when I hear that, I don't understand why you can't win AND change lives.

For the record, I believe in Coach Gill and Barber. I refuse to pass judgment on Gill until he has his own recruits in his system. I remember as well as most of you when LU football wasn't what it is today, Barber is due a lot of credit in that regard.

EDIT: while not trying to fuel the fire (while fueling the fire) National Sports Rankings has us going 4-6 on the season, losing to Lehigh,Coastal, and Stony.
http://www.nationalsportsrankings.com/ncaafprojections

I don't how much credit to give this, but....yeah.
By truthorconsequences
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Yes I have an agenda and have never wavered...I want what is best for the LU, the vision Dr Falwell launched and the awesome eternal impact on lives. "The end of education is to see men made whole, both is competence and in conscience. For to create the power of competence without creating a corresponding direction to guide the use of their power is bad education. Furthermore, competence will finally disintegrate apart from conscience." J. S. Dickey

Athletics could be more with different leadership.[/quote]

logic, you poor soul. This is a lost cause. He has a personal vendetta against JB. That's all there is too it plain and simple. What would be interesting would be to see which AD we have had hedid like. But since I don't really care much about his opinion it would be a waste of time[/quote]

sorry you mistake a personal vendetta for evaluating the flaws of his leadership in advancing the programs. I believe it will continue to be clearer to those who understand what could be and what we are settling for in light of the commitment JLFjr has given athletics.
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By BJWilliams
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I do sometimes wonder if JB drove off with his gf and ran over his dog on the way (and had TBGBG passed over for a promotion) because that is about the only way I can explain someone having such an unhealthy obsession with one person and their job performance.
By truthorconsequences
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BJWilliams wrote:I do sometimes wonder if JB drove off with his gf and ran over his dog on the way (and had TBGBG passed over for a promotion) because that is about the only way I can explain someone having such an unhealthy obsession with one person and their job performance.
How about strive to be the best with our performance and mission? BTW I am very healthy it is the underachieving and wasted resources/time that makes me sick. Let's just keep the minister of mediocrity in place soon it will be a decade of wasted opportunity.
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By Purple Haize
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BJWilliams wrote:I do sometimes wonder if JB drove off with his gf and ran over his dog on the way (and had TBGBG passed over for a promotion) because that is about the only way I can explain someone having such an unhealthy obsession with one person and their job performance.
Ask him which AD we should have kept: Chuck, Kim or Tom? Then let me know the answer.
By Bigsouthking
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Chuck left on his on. But he has done nice things at GWU... The time he left LU had a nut job for a President in Borek... He probably made a smart move at the time.
By Humble_Opinion
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truthorconsequences wrote:Yes I have an agenda and have never wavered...I want what is best for the LU, the vision Dr Falwell launched and the awesome eternal impact on lives. "The end of education is to see men made whole, both is competence and in conscience. For to create the power of competence without creating a corresponding direction to guide the use of their power is bad education. Furthermore, competence will finally disintegrate apart from conscience." J. S. Dickey

Athletics could be more with different leadership.

logic, you poor soul. This is a lost cause. He has a personal vendetta against JB. That's all there is too it plain and simple. What would be interesting would be to see which AD we have had hedid like. But since I don't really care much about his opinion it would be a waste of time

sorry you mistake a personal vendetta for evaluating the flaws of his leadership in advancing the programs. I believe it will continue to be clearer to those who understand what could be and what we are settling for in light of the commitment JLFjr has given athletics.[/b]
No offense, but from your statement it is apparent that you don't understand what Dr. Falwell's vision for the university is/was. Your understanding of it is much too narrow for what he spoke of through his actions and his words. From the beginning he vocalized a 5 point vision, which specifically named Athletics. The 'vision' you wrote about, was only a part of that 5 point vision. Also, to insinuate that Jerry Jr. has committed too much to Athletics is silly. Sure, he's given them more than they've ever had, but that is only due to the fact that we have more than we have ever had and this period of prosperity for the university happens to coincide with a period of volatility in collegiate athletics, which affords us the opportunity to pursue one part of the vision we have not achieved yet - to compete at the highest level of athletics possible against schools like Notre Dame and BYU. Finally, if you look at the majority of spending in capital projects around campus, you'll notice that the commitment to Academics/Students (i.e. the Library, School of Engineering, School of Music, new Circle Dorms, School of Medicine/Health Sciences, green space, etc.) is pretty strong.

I don't know if you've seen it, but there is a recording of Dr. Falwell's vision of LU that he spoke of in a Convo way back when. I couldn't find it, but perhaps someone else could. In the meantime, you can watch this short clip. Notice the emphasis placed on Athletics...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjZjB-_U ... r_embedded
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