[alabama24]

If he can't be trusted, and comes across as a car salesman, then he's not a good, moral man.

A lack of trust in someone does not necessarily imply a moral failure.

Let me give you an example. There was a man in my church growing up who was a godly man and I loved him dearly. He meant well, but he would often get suckered into some scheme or another. Inevitably, he would try to bring others along as well. He had no improper motives as far as I can tell… He was just gullible. I love the man, but I don't trust his judgment in those areas.

Likewise, most Mormons I know are some of the kindest, most moral people you will ever meet. But they have been suckered.

Furthermore, someone can compromise all day long on issues of preference without compromising on issues of conviction. In this case, I am using the term "conviction" to mean the things I believe to be eternally true, rather than the things I believe to be temporally true. [Jesus didn't die for low taxes, but low taxes can help grow the economy].

[Purple Haize]

I would hire Mitt to run the company, but I wouldn't choose either for president. By John Edwards, I meant that he is a slick, polished politician. I believe that Mitt is a good, moral man, but I don't fully trust him.

That makes sense. I disagree because I don't see Mitt as a polished Politician even after his political endeavors.
Let me ask you what politician do you ever fully trust? I believe wholeheartedly that Rommey has good ideas and will be able to cobble together a working coalition that will help get stuff done and America moving back in the right direction. Will he compromise in ways that sometimes I wish he wouldn't? Sure. But that's the nature of the beast. But with a 'conservative House and Senate there will be fewer less severe compromises.
Basically, I won't someone who will find a way to get stuff done.

[ALUmnus]

The lesser of two evils is still evil.

Every vote you have ever made has been a vote for the lesser of two evils. It's just a matter of degree.

[Purple Haize]

The lesser of two evils is still evil.

Every vote you have ever made has been a vote for the lesser of two evils. It's just a matter of degree.

No. It's not possible. By very definition every vote he makes is for a 100% pure candidate whom he agrees 100%.
That's why statements like that are a cop out to me.

[jbock13]

The lesser of two evils is still evil.

Every vote you have ever made has been a vote for the lesser of two evils. It's just a matter of degree.

No. It's not possible. By very definition every vote he makes is for a 100% pure candidate whom he agrees 100%.
That's why statements like that are a cop out to me.

Exactly. I disagree with Ron Paul on a few things but it didn't stop me for supporting him.

[Purple Haize]

That's because YOU are wrong not Ron Paul lol

[4everfsu]

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Hollywood/ ... ocks-Obama

[jbock13]

That's because YOU are wrong not Ron Paul lol

"I'm a suspect... I'm a traitor..."

[alabama24]

Let me ask you what politician do you ever fully trust?

In the strictest sense, the answer must be "no one."

A more nuanced answer would have to define "politician," "fully," and "trust." I generally use the term "politician" in a pejorative sense. I don't consider everyone who holds public office to be a "politician." Furthermore, there are "good" and "bad" politicians. I know that much of this is subjective to me.

I was a George W. Bush fan before he decided to run. I didn't agree with everything he did, but I trusted him:

1. To stand by HIS convictions on the things that mattered most to him
2. To reflect a general agreement with MY convictions on most of the things that matter to me.

[Purple Haize]

That's understandable but it all depends on what you mean by 'most of the things that matter to me' and how you prioritize what important to you. The reason I have supported Mitt is because my biggest issue is to have someone in office who knows what to do and can get it done. Fixing businesses that are broken is what Romney does very well. IMO, he knows what he is doing and gets s#%+t done. I haven't seen another candidate that can do that.

[jbock13]

The difference for me is I don't want the government to get things done... I want to government out of my lives, and I want to pay 15% taxes so we can fund the military, police, fire etc... and then leave us alone to regulate our own life.

[Purple Haize]

That's the point when I say 'get sh#%+' done. Im saying that he will get the tax rate flatter, repeal Obamacare(although I dubious of the replace part) and find private sector solutions to problems. That is what I mean, sorry if I was unclear. He will find the best possible options and get the coalition together to get something done.

[jbock13]

That's the problem. Republicans know the Americans live the goodies in Obama, they just don't want to pay for it. Don't replace Obanacare, but Mitt and the establishment want to. Unleash the private sector, rather than government. Unfortunately, Mitt represents the type of Republican that doesn't get it. Just like Cantor.

[Purple Haize]

That's the problem. Republicans know the Americans live the goodies in Obama, they just don't want to pay for it. Don't replace Obanacare, but Mitt and the establishment want to. Unleash the private sector, rather than government. Unfortunately, Mitt represents the type of Republican that doesn't get it. Just like Cantor.

Well that's what I'm hoping. The replacement will be a free market set of solutions.

[TH Spangler]

College students from across North Carolina will arrive in Charlotte by the busload. Same with members of predominantly black churches in neighboring South Carolina.

http://news.yahoo.com/dems-cobble-conve ... ction.html

[Purple Haize]

College students from across North Carolina will arrive in Charlotte by the busload. Same with members of predominantly black churches in neighboring South Carolina.

http://news.yahoo.com/dems-cobble-conve ... ction.html

I thought we did away with forced busing?

[El Scorcho]

[jmdickens]

I would love to see the accounting method used for counting attendees to Obama's speech on Thursday. We will see a 1/2 to 3/4 filled stadium and it will be reported by the media that 75,000 plus broke down the doors to hear him.

[Purple Haize]

I believe the former attendance checker at LU works for the Obama administration. I saw it on Wikipedia

[Humble_Opinion]

College students from across North Carolina will arrive in Charlotte by the busload. Same with members of predominantly black churches in neighboring South Carolina.

http://news.yahoo.com/dems-cobble-conve ... ction.html

I thought we did away with forced busing?

Apparently you have to have an I.D. to get in the door at the convention though. So you have to show proof of ID to see a Democrat, but you DON'T have to show proof of one to vote for them...

At the same time, isn't the reason that Democrats stand against laws requiring a Voter I.D. is because they say so many people can't afford them, or receive them? By this logic... at least 25% of the people they are busing in won't be allowed to gain entrance.

[Purple Haize]

Great point

[Sly Fox]

A one-time FlameFans poster, former Flames record-setting placekicker & longtime LU trustee is getting some attention for his part in the Romney campaign ...

Mormons and Evangelicals





September 1st, 2012 10:00 PM ET

Can Mitt Romney’s evangelical ambassador seal the deal
before Election Day?

By Dan Gilgoff, CNN.com Religion Editor

Tampa, Florida (CNN) – The task of selling a Mormon presidential candidate to evangelical America has fallen to a public relations man who’s not even getting paid for what may be the toughest sales job of his career.

For six years, Mark DeMoss has served as Mitt Romney’s unofficial evangelical ambassador, making the case that born-again Christians should help elect the first Mormon to the White House.

It has often been a lonely job.

During this year’s primaries, DeMoss found himself addressing audiences of evangelical leaders in which nearly everyone was rooting for another candidate: Rick Santorum, Newt Gingrich, Rick Perry – anybody but Romney.

“It would have been tough for anyone other than Mark,” says Richard Land, the public policy chief for the Southern Baptist Convention, remembering how DeMoss performed in one hostile setting last January. “The audience was stacked for Santorum and Gingrich.

“But he has a lot of street cred with evangelicals,” Land says of DeMoss. “He understands us because he’s one of us. So he did great.”

Click Here for Full Story

[Purple Haize]

I could only watch the DNC coverage for 5 minutes. Harry Reid and Chris Matthews were nauseating. They were extrapolating Ryan's mistaken marathon times with his ability to handle Iran if Romney were not in office. Reid then said that he could out run Ryan in any race. Then he kept saying the issue of him calling Romney out for taxes wasn't about him but about Romney. Reid said he would honor his father if he was running for President.

[jbock13]

Is Harry Reid running?

[01LUGrad]

I don't know what you guys are talking about! This is awesome! I didn't know that if we ask the wealthy to pay just a little bit more, we can all have free college education, free job training, free food, free health care, a better military, and 100% employment. Wait...this just in, we all get a unicorn too! What's not to like about this?