[RubberMallet]

People would've been able to get there money. There's this thing called the FDIC, which insures bank deposits up to $250,000.

i literally laughed out loud here.

[ATrain]

The FDIC has $4 billion dollars to insure against $4.4 trillion dollars. I'm not a math major, but there's nowhere near enough money to cover that.

Not every bank was in danger of going under.

[Dr. Sheh]

Obama: I want a new America where prosperity is shared
Romney (and Ryan): America is the land of equal opportunity not equal out comes.

Haize, please tell me that you can distinguish political rhetoric from reality. These are not policy specifics, but quotes meant to pander to constituencies.

THIS. I encourage everyone to do some research on Romney's policies and Ryan's voting record and not just listen to shallow debate rhetoric. The Romney/Ryan ticket will say whatever that will get them elected, but the voting record CLEARLY does not back them up if we truly believe in small, constitutional government. The 'NOBAMA' crowd will sweep all voting records under the rug because when the rubber meets the road, most just want to replace one big 'liberal' form of government with another more 'conservative' or RHINO government. One spends liberally on national socialization, and the other spends liberally on war and 'defense'. As long as there no difference in monetary policy between both parties, and the deficit will continue to grow. Nothing will change.

I will be voting for a 3rd party candidate that has the voting record to back it up his small government, constitutional platform.

[Rooster Cogburn]

Can't wait till a VP debate. Biden was in Danville, VA earlier speaking. I was listening to the live feed and he closed with "and we can win North Carolina." DOH. Also this goodie from Danville: http://freebeacon.com/biden-on-romney-t ... in-chains/

[Purple Haize]

THIS. I encourage everyone to do some research on Romney's policies and Ryan's voting record and not just listen to shallow debate rhetoric. The Romney/Ryan ticket will say whatever that will get them elected, but the voting record CLEARLY does not back them up if we truly believe in small, constitutional government. The 'NOBAMA' crowd will sweep all voting records under the rug because when the rubber meets the road, most just want to replace one big 'liberal' form of government with another more 'conservative' or RHINO government. One spends liberally on national socialization, and the other spends liberally on war and 'defense'. As long as there no difference in monetary policy between both parties, and the deficit will continue to grow. Nothing will change.

I will be voting for a 3rd party candidate that has the voting record to back it up his small government, constitutional platform.

There is a monumentally huge difference between spending money on National Socialization and spending money on Defense. For starters, spending on defense is Constitutional. Secondly, look at the amount of the national budget that is taken up with defense spending and compare it to what is spent, and owed, in national socialization spending. Defense takes up a much lower amount.
Where the rubber hits the road is that Obama has been an unmitigated disaster for this country. And 4 more years of it will be quantitatively more disastrous. Obamacare alone should be enough to get people to vote for the person who has the best chance of beating him. I firmly believe that his Quote about 'sharing prosperity' is really what Obama wants to make this country. I do not believe Romney feels the same way
I would also like to see how a 'constitutionally pure' candidate is going to end programs like Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid, Fannie and Freddy just to name a few. I mean if they are Constituitonally Pure then they would have to eliminate those things on Day 1.

[Rooster Cogburn]

http://www.wset.com/story/19273667/vice ... wI.twitter

Biden had one major gaff - he asked the Virginia audience for their support in the November election saying ,"With you, we can win North Carolina again."

[Purple Haize]

I'm suprised he didn't say 'With your help, we can hold the Union together!'

[Dr. Sheh]

THIS. I encourage everyone to do some research on Romney's policies and Ryan's voting record and not just listen to shallow debate rhetoric. The Romney/Ryan ticket will say whatever that will get them elected, but the voting record CLEARLY does not back them up if we truly believe in small, constitutional government. The 'NOBAMA' crowd will sweep all voting records under the rug because when the rubber meets the road, most just want to replace one big 'liberal' form of government with another more 'conservative' or RHINO government. One spends liberally on national socialization, and the other spends liberally on war and 'defense'. As long as there no difference in monetary policy between both parties, and the deficit will continue to grow. Nothing will change.

I will be voting for a 3rd party candidate that has the voting record to back it up his small government, constitutional platform.

There is a monumentally huge difference between spending money on National Socialization and spending money on Defense. For starters, spending on defense is Constitutional. Secondly, look at the amount of the national budget that is taken up with defense spending and compare it to what is spent, and owed, in national socialization spending. Defense takes up a much lower amount.
Where the rubber hits the road is that Obama has been an unmitigated disaster for this country. And 4 more years of it will be quantitatively more disastrous. Obamacare alone should be enough to get people to vote for the person who has the best chance of beating him. I firmly believe that his Quote about 'sharing prosperity' is really what Obama wants to make this country. I do not believe Romney feels the same way
I would also like to see how a 'constitutionally pure' candidate is going to end programs like Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid, Fannie and Freddy just to name a few. I mean if they are Constituitonally Pure then they would have to eliminate those things on Day 1.

Purple, I would agree with you that Defense spending is in the constitution. I think we would have polar opposite views on what constitutes defense spending. Is it nation building with military bases and wars around the world to keep us 'safe', or is it non-interventionist (not isolationist) foregin policy? I think it should be obvious where I stand, but we'll never see eye to eye on that.

Secondly, I agree when Obama says that 'sharing prosperity' is what he really believes. However, since both monetary policies are the same (cheap, printed money), all of us are getting poorer and both candidates would spread wealth destruction. Obama would share dwindling prosperity by socialization and monetary policy, and Romney would use monetary policy to fund big banks and bailouts, which is spreading the wealth to the rich, and making the poor poorer. Classic crony capitalism.

Finally, a 'constitutionally pure' candidate recognizes that although programs like Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid, Fannie and Freddy are unconstitutional, people have paid in a certain amount of their money and are entitled to getting it back. Fanny and Freddy should be done away with swiftly. Getting the ball rolling on Day 1 would be great.

[Purple Haize]

Yes we will disagree with what constitutes defense spending. I'm all for our military bases around the world. The World and Americas role in it changed after the First and Second World Wars. Both further changed after the collapse of the Soviet Union.
As for monetary policy, it's going to be nearly impossible to return to the gold standard. Now if China's economy and the Euro collapses it might be possible. But it's not something that is feasible in the near future. I will agree that the current administrations policy of just printing money for the sake of printing money is wreckless and dangerous. It is also not a policy I believe Romney will follow.
Ultimately I believe that a Romney win is ultimately better then the other outcome. People who don't see that IMO, are living in a fantasy world. That applies to Obama supporters and 3rd party supporters. Also, if/when Romney wins, I believe this will be the last chance for the Republican Party as we know it. IMO, the Tea Party has done it right. They have focused on local races to promote their candidates. And if a Republican administration imitates Bush's last year they will split off and take a lot of folks with them.

[jbock13]

I've really been thinking lately about the most articulate way to say what I believe about this election, and I'll try to do it. First of all, about 80% credit must be given to listening to the Michael Berry show, who put my frustrations into a reasonable argument the other day.

As a Ron Paul supporter, I disagree with Paul Ryan and Mitt Romney on numerous things. Romney, as we all know, is a moderate squish who will do anything to be liked. Paul Ryan voted for TARP, and also supported expansion in the war in Afghanistan. Mitt Romney was my least favorite choice, until Santorum made his ignorant comments about libertarianism, and even then I still did not like Romney.

But some of us chose to take the easy way out. Instead of getting involved, we decide to be bitter and complain that there's no difference between the Republicans and Democrats, and hopefully because of that, we will attract attention. I've even caught myself thinking this before, and I'm as guilty as we almost all are.

For my fellow Ron Paul supporters who truly think the illumanti conspires to keep Ron Paul from winning, I really can't help you. Others, supporters of various candidates liked Gingrich, Santorum, Perry, etc., as well. But here we are, and here is our choice. Mitt Romney won. I'm fully aware of the Republican party's tricks, but it's too late to change it now. I did my part to get out the vote for Paul in my county. I didn't scream at people, and I knew we wouldn't win. But I did my best. I held my head up high that I got 6 people in a 10 day span to cast a vote for Paul. Imagine what I could have done had a tried longer? Imagine if we all did that for the candidate we agreed the most with?

Mitt Romney knows about business. He understands business, and the United States is much like a business. Mitt knows that when you run out of money to pay your debts, you go bankrupt. This country is going bankrupt under President Obama. We're up to $16 trillion dollars, and while the Republicans share some blame, Obama is personally responsible for nearly half that debt. In only 4 years. I have plenty of issues with Romney, and for that, we libertarians and conservatives must make it clear that we will fight Romney when he does what is wrong. But he listened. He chose Ryan, knowing that we would not tolerate another RINO, and Ryan will help to usher in a new conservative wind into Washington.

Are these two perfect? Absolutely not. Personally, I don't think Ryan's plan goes far enough. But it's a start. Since when have the Democrats cut spending? Or even passed a budget. This is the difference.

We will pressure Romney when he does what is wrong. The tea party/conservative/libertarian movement does not stop after Election Day. We must keep fighting for what is right. There are clear differences... one is a Marxist central control philosophy, and one is a free market oriented philosophy. Those are our choices. They may not be the ones I've wanted, but sitting home and pounding sand isn't an option. Some of you want to whine and complain that there's no perfect candidate for you. Some of you think there's a perfect candidate, and because he didn't win, the furtive neo-con conspiracy keeps him down. The Democrats complain about their candidates. But when Election Day comes around, you know they're voting for their guy.

I don't agree with Ron Paul on everything. I disagree with him on illegal immigration, and I reject the notion that waterboarding is torture. But just as I didn't agree with him on those things, I shared his passion for fixing our debt. And he was the best candidate for me. We have two choices... more of the same, or a chance at a new start. Let's get the Romney/Ryan ticket elected. But as I said, the work doesn't stop there. We must continue to let it be known that they must keep their promises.

Sorry for rambling, but hopefully that makes some sort of sense.

[LUconn]

Made about as much sense as Ron Paul

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[LUconn]

bah, stupid nonembeders. I bet old Ron is behind that.

[Purple Haize]

I think the board will be stunnedby such a well reasoned argument by one of the two local blow hards. I agree very much with what you say about holding Mitt accountable when he 'strays'. I agree that the Tea Party et.al. does not end on election day. The more conservative members of the House and Senate we have the better it will be for all. And as I stated earlier, this is the last chance for the Republicans to get it right before they cease to exist.

Plus I'm glad the Bilderburgs got to you.

[Humble_Opinion]

I've really been thinking lately about the most articulate way to say what I believe about this election, and I'll try to do it. First of all, about 80% credit must be given to listening to the Michael Berry show, who put my frustrations into a reasonable argument the other day.

As a Ron Paul supporter, I disagree with Paul Ryan and Mitt Romney on numerous things. Romney, as we all know, is a moderate squish who will do anything to be liked. Paul Ryan voted for TARP, and also supported expansion in the war in Afghanistan. Mitt Romney was my least favorite choice, until Santorum made his ignorant comments about libertarianism, and even then I still did not like Romney.

But some of us chose to take the easy way out. Instead of getting involved, we decide to be bitter and complain that there's no difference between the Republicans and Democrats, and hopefully because of that, we will attract attention. I've even caught myself thinking this before, and I'm as guilty as we almost all are.

For my fellow Ron Paul supporters who truly think the illumanti conspires to keep Ron Paul from winning, I really can't help you. Others, supporters of various candidates liked Gingrich, Santorum, Perry, etc., as well. But here we are, and here is our choice. Mitt Romney won. I'm fully aware of the Republican party's tricks, but it's too late to change it now. I did my part to get out the vote for Paul in my county. I didn't scream at people, and I knew we wouldn't win. But I did my best. I held my head up high that I got 6 people in a 10 day span to cast a vote for Paul. Imagine what I could have done had a tried longer? Imagine if we all did that for the candidate we agreed the most with?

Mitt Romney knows about business. He understands business, and the United States is much like a business. Mitt knows that when you run out of money to pay your debts, you go bankrupt. This country is going bankrupt under President Obama. We're up to $16 trillion dollars, and while the Republicans share some blame, Obama is personally responsible for nearly half that debt. In only 4 years. I have plenty of issues with Romney, and for that, we libertarians and conservatives must make it clear that we will fight Romney when he does what is wrong. But he listened. He chose Ryan, knowing that we would not tolerate another RINO, and Ryan will help to usher in a new conservative wind into Washington.

Are these two perfect? Absolutely not. Personally, I don't think Ryan's plan goes far enough. But it's a start. Since when have the Democrats cut spending? Or even passed a budget. This is the difference.

We will pressure Romney when he does what is wrong. The tea party/conservative/libertarian movement does not stop after Election Day. We must keep fighting for what is right. There are clear differences... one is a Marxist central control philosophy, and one is a free market oriented philosophy. Those are our choices. They may not be the ones I've wanted, but sitting home and pounding sand isn't an option. Some of you want to whine and complain that there's no perfect candidate for you. Some of you think there's a perfect candidate, and because he didn't win, the furtive neo-con conspiracy keeps him down. The Democrats complain about their candidates. But when Election Day comes around, you know they're voting for their guy.

I don't agree with Ron Paul on everything. I disagree with him on illegal immigration, and I reject the notion that waterboarding is torture. But just as I didn't agree with him on those things, I shared his passion for fixing our debt. And he was the best candidate for me. We have two choices... more of the same, or a chance at a new start. Let's get the Romney/Ryan ticket elected. But as I said, the work doesn't stop there. We must continue to let it be known that they must keep their promises.

Sorry for rambling, but hopefully that makes some sort of sense.

Hear hear! I honestly think the Tea Party (TP) is the best possible way to bring everyone in the "right" under the same roof. Pre-TP, there were so many things (particularly social issues) that separated Libertarians, conservatives, and some moderates. But, the Tea Party transcends those issues and provides an organization for everyone to come together on the items that each of these groups agrees on (i.e. smaller government, less regulation, balanced budgets and simpler/lower taxes). These are the defining issues of the next few elections. And I agree JBock... if Mitt doesn't get it right - the support he might gain from the Tea Party and others will quickly collapse.

[thepostman]

THIS. I encourage everyone to do some research on Romney's policies and Ryan's voting record and not just listen to shallow debate rhetoric. The Romney/Ryan ticket will say whatever that will get them elected, but the voting record CLEARLY does not back them up if we truly believe in small, constitutional government. The 'NOBAMA' crowd will sweep all voting records under the rug because when the rubber meets the road, most just want to replace one big 'liberal' form of government with another more 'conservative' or RHINO government. One spends liberally on national socialization, and the other spends liberally on war and 'defense'. As long as there no difference in monetary policy between both parties, and the deficit will continue to grow. Nothing will change.

I will be voting for a 3rd party candidate that has the voting record to back it up his small government, constitutional platform.

There is a monumentally huge difference between spending money on National Socialization and spending money on Defense. For starters, spending on defense is Constitutional. Secondly, look at the amount of the national budget that is taken up with defense spending and compare it to what is spent, and owed, in national socialization spending. Defense takes up a much lower amount.
Where the rubber hits the road is that Obama has been an unmitigated disaster for this country. And 4 more years of it will be quantitatively more disastrous. Obamacare alone should be enough to get people to vote for the person who has the best chance of beating him. I firmly believe that his Quote about 'sharing prosperity' is really what Obama wants to make this country. I do not believe Romney feels the same way
I would also like to see how a 'constitutionally pure' candidate is going to end programs like Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid, Fannie and Freddy just to name a few. I mean if they are Constituitonally Pure then they would have to eliminate those things on Day 1.

There is a slight difference in paying for defense and what a lot of the money going towards "defense" actually goes towards.

**this is my personal opinion and not one of my employer**

[Purple Haize]

I would think your employer might not agree.

[jmdickens]

I would think the person selling your employers the weapons might not agree

FIFY

[jmdickens]

As long as there no difference in monetary policy between both parties, and the deficit will continue to grow. Nothing will change.

Federal Reserve don't care who is president and it is largely responsible for the bubbles that created this mess. End the Fed and we can restructure our debt to truly become a great nation again.

[Purple Haize]

As long as there no difference in monetary policy between both parties, and the deficit will continue to grow. Nothing will change.

Federal Reserve don't care who is president and it is largely responsible for the bubbles that created this mess. End the Fed and we can restructure our debt to truly become a great nation again.

So we haven't been a great nation since 1913? I think we've done ok. Better them most countries since then.

[jmdickens]

If you want to have a general conversation abt the Federal Reserve, we can. There is a reason Jefferson wouldn't allow it and that Jackson split it up.

[Purple Haize]

If you want to have a general conversation abt the Federal Reserve, we can. There is a reason Jefferson wouldn't allow it and that Jackson split it up.

You are the one who said ending the Fed would make America agreat nation again. That presumes that we are not a great nation and have not been since the Fed was established. I was taking issue with that, not your position on the Fed.

[Dr. Sheh]

As long as there no difference in monetary policy between both parties, and the deficit will continue to grow. Nothing will change.

Federal Reserve don't care who is president and it is largely responsible for the bubbles that created this mess. End the Fed and we can restructure our debt to truly become a great nation again.

I agree. End the Fed.

[Purple Haize]

So you agree we aren't a great nation too?

[jbock13]

So you agree we aren't a great nation too?

No. But don't we have the right to know?

[RubberMallet]

WE ARE GREAT WE WON THE OLYMPICS!#!%#%!!!

our present "greatness" is built on debt.