[TH Spangler]

Just remember, in his voucher system you will receive a certain amount of credit to buy a certain amount of health insurance, which will be pegged to income, with low-income individuals receiving greater support (code for, free for them but not for you) This means, if you work hard, pay into the system for 30 years. You pay your taxes, all your bills, send your kids to Liberty, help them payoff their student loans, buy and pay off a home, save just enough in a 401K to retire. The first time you or your wife gets really sick they will take a look at your net worth and a large portion of your medical bill will come out of your estate, you know, the one you've worked so hard to build and have always planned on leaving to Liberty U.

Now the guy around the corner from you living in subsidized housing, that doesn't like to get his hands dirty. Likes to lay around the house all week watching ESPN instead of getting a job. Or his buddy who lives in the apartment complex down the road, that likes to show off his BMW to all the ladies down at Charlies Bar. The same one that takes a $10,000 vacation every six months. The one that never bothered to save a nickle. Well when these two playboys get sick and need the same operation you had, and don't have a pot to pee in ... well .... it's free for them. Basically their bill comes out of your estate as well?

This is what's wrong with America right now ... We have to many incentives built into our system that discourages people from working. Ryan maybe smart when it come to understanding the problem ... but he might need some help fixing it ...?

I think Romney, Ryan is our best choice ..... but the Ryan plan needs a lot of work.

[Covert Hawk]

Here is the real Paul Ryan for you: a supporter of TARP, bailouts, entitlement expansion, endless military spending and bigger, more intrusive and less constitutional government. In other words a big government, big spending, pro-war, anti-civil liberties republican.

The issue Ryan is most known for is his interest in cutting the deficit and balancing the budget.

But why did the Congressman vote to bail out the auto industry, to pass the Medicare package to the tune of $400 billion, and to nationalize education via No Child Left Behind?

Paul Ryan on Bailouts and Government Stimuli
-Voted YES on TARP (2008)
-Voted YES on Economic Stimulus HR 5140 (2008)
-Voted YES on $15B bailout for GM and Chrysler. (Dec 2008)
-Voted YES on $192B additional anti-recession stimulus spending. (Jul 2009)

Paul Ryan on Entitlement Programs
-Voted YES on limited prescription drug benefit for Medicare recipients. (Nov 2003)
-Voted YES on providing $70 million for Section 8 Housing vouchers. (Jun 2006)
-Voted YES on extending unemployment benefits from 39 weeks to 59 weeks. (Oct 2008)
-Voted YES on Head Start Act (2007)

Paul Ryan on Education
Rep. Ryan went along with the Bush Administration in supporting more federal involvement in education. This is contrary to the traditional Republican position, which included support for abolition of the Department of Education and decreasing federal involvement in education.
-Voted YES on No Child Left Behind Act (2001)

Paul Ryan on Civil Liberties
-Voted YES on federalizing rules for driver licenses to hinder terrorists. (Feb 2005)
-Voted YES on making the PATRIOT Act permanent. (Dec 2005)
-Voted YES on allowing electronic surveillance without a warrant. (Sep 2006)

Paul Ryan on War and Intervention Abroad
-Voted YES on authorizing military force in Iraq. (Oct 2002)
-Voted YES on emergency $78B for war in Iraq & Afghanistan. (Apr 2003)
-Voted YES on declaring Iraq part of War on Terror with no exit date. (Jun 2006)
-Voted NO on redeploying US troops out of Iraq starting in 90 days. (May 2007)

Congressman Ryan supports the United Nations, the World Trade Organization, federal bailouts, increased federal involvement in education, unconstitutional and undeclared wars, Medicare Part D (a multi trillion dollar unfunded liability), stimulus spending, and foreign aid.

According to Michelle Malkin in 2009, “[Paul Ryan] gave one of the most hysterical speeches in the rush to pass TARP last fall; voted for the auto bailout; and voted with the Barney Frank-Nancy Pelosi AIG bonus-bashing stampede. Milwaukee blogger Nick Schweitzer wrote: ‘He ought to be apologizing for his previous votes, not pretending he was being responsible the entire time, but I don’t see one bit of regret for what he did previously. And I’ll be damned if I’m going to let him get away with it’.”

Ryan’s record of fiscal irresponsibility has continued beyond 2010 when this article was written. He has since voted to raise the debt ceiling multiple times and approved ongoing extensions of military spending on unnecessary foreign wars.

Possibly of even greater concern is Ryan’s ongoing record of absolute irresponsibility in the area of civil liberties. Since 2010 Ryan has been on the wrong side of almost every important vote involving basic Constitutionally protected rights. He voted to extend the PATRIOT Act, for CISPA, for DOMA, for the NDAA (three times), to expand the Department of Homeland Security, to extend troop commitments in Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya and to give the President the power to appoint department heads without Senatorial approval. At a time when more and more Republicans are waking up to the threat of expanded government power to operate without observing traditional limits on their police power these votes are a major concern.

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[jbock13]

Okay, okay, we get it. Nobody is perfect but Ron Paul.

[TH Spangler]

Here's what's been placed on the table so far? One thing that jumps out at me is Ryans, Out-of-pocket limits: "No limit on out-of-pocket spending". You would lose it all, unless you have nothing to lose?

http://www.kff.org/medicare/upload/8284.pdf

[LUconn]

I love how everybody pretends that a running mate somehow pulls the head of the ticket's ideology one way or the other. Or that a VP matters at all, except 1 or 2 nights debating the other guy trying to get elected to not matter.

[jbock13]

That's a good point LUconn. In the end, it doesn't really seem to matter much. I'd argue nobody really cared about the VP slot until recently (past few presidential elections).

[Purple Haize]

Okay, okay, we get it. Nobody is perfect but Ron Paul.

If you quote yourself, you make yourself sound more important

[thepostman]

Okay, okay, we get it. Nobody is perfect but Ron Paul.

He is a close second to me. I could fix it all!!!!!!!!!

[jbock13]

haha, I mean I like Dr. Paul myself, but come on, was anyone really surprised that Lew Rockwell himself didn't like the pick?

I know Ryan has an issues. But it's new leadership. With Ryan, I think we're moving in the right direction, away from the establishment and the Bushes. And having said that, I admire Bush Jr. as a person, even though he compromised his beliefs in the 2'nd term, obviously.

[Purple Haize]

haha, I mean I like Dr. Paul myself, but come on, was anyone really surprised that Lew Rockwell himself didn't like the pick?

I know Ryan has an issues. But it's new leadership. With Ryan, I think we're moving in the right direction, away from the establishment and the Bushes. And having said that, I admire Bush Jr. as a person, even though he compromised his beliefs in the 2'nd term, obviously.

Yes but a vote for him or GJ would assuage the conscience and alleviate the need for one to make a tough decisions. I'm just grumpy because it was a rainy weekend at the beach but I'm tired of these people who claim moral superiority because they are 'more informed' and think there is no difference between the candidates. Please. Get off your high horse, take off your Tim hat and get involved in the game. Noe, I have to go pick more sand out of my nooks and crannies!

[jbock13]

The fact is, I still don't like Mitt. But he won. That's just the way it is. Our current president is a socialist, bordering on marxist. Mitt isn't. Sure, I disagree with plenty of things he believes. But there is a difference. There's a clear difference.

For the record, I really like Gary Johnson. Which is good, considering I think 50 of us nationwide know who he is.

[rogers3]

Can't wait to see a Ryan-Biden debate. It will leave many wondering why Obama had picked him in tbe first place.

[Purple Haize]

The fact is, I still don't like Mitt. But he won. That's just the way it is. Our current president is a socialist, bordering on marxist. Mitt isn't. Sure, I disagree with plenty of things he believes. But there is a difference. There's a clear difference.

For the record, I really like Gary Johnson. Which is good, considering I think 50 of us nationwide know who he is.

And that's my point. You have the guy you like but no way he can affect change. So of those who can affect change whom do you agree with most? It's not an easy decision but shows a lot more courage then saying 'You are all morons, Im voting for {whatever candidate I agree with that has no chance of winning} because I'm morally superior to you"

[jbock13]

Just ignore folks like NotAJerbear. Politics are not the art of perfection. As much as I admire Paul, there's still things I disagree with him. Waiting for a perfect candidate is stupid... there will never be one.

[TH Spangler]

Watched an interview on CBS yesterday with Ryan and Romney side by side. Host ask Romney how he felt about the Ryan Plan ... Romney quickly pointed out that he had a Romney Plan and that's the one they would be running on. It was nice to hear him say that. Hope it doesn't penalize those who work and give the laziest among us a free pass. That's what the Dem's have been doing for years, to buy votes.

[Kricket]

Can't wait to see a Ryan-Biden debate. It will leave many wondering why Obama had picked him in tbe first place.

+1

I'm sick of hearing the Ryan bashing. Ryan is my Congressman up here in Wisconsin and I can tell you he is more conservative than most of Republicans, he's not a RINO by any means. Obama treats him like a radical, which is a good sign in my opinion. Yeah, he isn't without flaws in his record but he's as sharp as a tack. Nobody understands financial bills better than him. The left won't be able to portray him as an idiot like they did with Bush and Palin. Also, you need to factor in the boost it'll give Romney in a state Obama would have likely won. Wisconsin, in my opinion, just went from blue to red with this VP pick. Wish the ticket were reversed though.

[BJWilliams]

Did you watch the video of Ryan thrashing Obama on Obamacare from CSPAN Kricket? (Im not a big politics person but just to see someone get verbally destroyed in a debate without namecalling being used is refreshing)

[JK37]

Did you watch the video of Ryan thrashing Obama on Obamacare from CSPAN Kricket? (Im not a big politics person but just to see someone get verbally destroyed in a debate without namecalling being used is refreshing)

It was a tongue lashing featuring an onslaught of facts and hard analysis, but before I say Obama was destroyed, I would've loved to have heard his and others' responses. I couldn't find them after a brief search. I guess I'm not attuned well to the CSPAN3 YouTube channel, lol.

[jbock13]

I mean, remember Ryan is a Republican, so the media will call him a racist, sexist, biggoted homophobic extremist who hates women, minorities, and wants to kill your grandmother by dropping her off not just any cliff, but even worse, Pikes Peak.

And what's most amazing, that's not even an exaggeration for the media now days.

[Kricket]

Did you watch the video of Ryan thrashing Obama on Obamacare from CSPAN Kricket? (Im not a big politics person but just to see someone get verbally destroyed in a debate without namecalling being used is refreshing)

Yeah, have you ever had the feeling when you think you know a lot about something and then you talk to an expert who just totally blows your mind? Every once in awhile I have that with sports. I feel like Obama is that same way in the presence of Ryan. Obama is used to everyone saying how brilliant he is that he began to believe it until he ran into the buzzsaw of Paul Ryan. Of course I mean buzzsaw figuratively. You never know who's going to take things the wrong way these days.

[Kricket]

I mean, remember Ryan is a Republican, so the media will call him a racist, sexist, biggoted homophobic extremist who hates women, minorities, and wants to kill your grandmother by dropping her off not just any cliff, but even worse, Pikes Peak.

And what's most amazing, that's not even an exaggeration for the media now days.

Well yeah, Obama calls Ryan a radical for his budget, but Obama's budget got laughed off the floor and not one vote for it. It would appear that Obama is much more "radical" even amonst his own party.

The fact that a single person can vote to get Obama back in office is baffling. I get that "Hope", "Change", and the history of being the first black President got him elected the first time, but that's all gone now. Why America, after these last 4 miserable years do we even consider him? Is it the unemployment numbers? The gas prices? The economy? The inflation? What the heck is behind this guy getting put back in office?

I aplogize for the rant, but I help my dad run a small business of about 30 people up here in Wisconsin, and in the small business community everyone is scared to make a move on any major investment because who knows if the next four years will be even worse than the last. And the fact that we're happy enough to re-elect this guy makes it even scarier to be in business.

[jbock13]

I absolutely agree. How can one person vote for this man? But liberalism is disorder. You cannot treat it with facts and statistics.

[NotAJerry]

Can't wait to see a Ryan-Biden debate. It will leave many wondering why Obama had picked him in tbe first place.

+1

I'm sick of hearing the Ryan bashing. Ryan is my Congressman up here in Wisconsin and I can tell you he is more conservative than most of Republicans,

That means almost nothing these days. His voting record is exclusively big spending government, loss of civil liberties, and perpetual war. That is not conservative.

[Purple Haize]

Says the purveyor of all things Conservative.

[jbock13]

We should make Ron Paul dictator.

And NotAJerbear could be premier.