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By Purple Haize
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#384459
I feel like being a Machinegun Preacher!
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By jbock13
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#384465
I have to add that this is what frustrates me about most of these organizations. "Hey here's the problem. Let someone else be the solution. Spread the word!"

And as such, nothing is done.

Second, why do these guys seem bent on "court justice" rather than shoot if necessary? That REALLY raises an eyebrow to me. (and yes I support the death penalty).
By thepostman
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again its easy to look down on these organizations, but they are at least doing something. I can't really say I do much of anything so it would be unfair for me to really criticize them.
By SuperJon
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#384497
thepostman wrote:again its easy to look down on these organizations, but they are at least doing something. I can't really say I do much of anything so it would be unfair for me to really criticize them.
Exactly. You cannot say anything about people supporting this organization if you are not supporting something yourself.
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By RubberMallet
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#384752
this whole thing makes me hungry for a hot dog.
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By jbock13
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#385123
Humble_Opinion wrote:http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/geo ... 2NXunm8iDk

Saw this today... Clooney and a hand full of others were arrested in Sudan.
Jim Moran got arrested. :D Or as I call him, Jim Moron. Considering his politics, he might be more suited to live in Sudan than here in the USA.

btw he was arrested in DC, not Sudan. Like typical, celebrities wouldn't dare fly to Sudan to care enough for their cause.
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By BJWilliams
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#385124
Youre really hung up on that arent you?
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By jbock13
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#385127
huh?
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By BJWilliams
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#385135
About the whole matter of "if you arent physically there doing something about it, then you dont care about it". Just because people dont have "boots on the ground" does not mean that something doesnt matter to somebody
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By jbock13
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http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nationa ... -1.1041075

I won't post the words of the story because I'm sure plenty will find it offensive as to what he was accused of. Just be warned if you click on it.

Anyways, depends I guess in the definition. Are they a Christian organization, or a organization of mostly Christians. Either way, way to go dude.
By jmdickens
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#385218
yeah....question plenty of his stuff now
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By RubberMallet
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#385860
i wonder what the ceo of invisible children's salary is.
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By RubberMallet
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#385867
BJWilliams wrote:About the whole matter of "if you arent physically there doing something about it, then you dont care about it". Just because people dont have "boots on the ground" does not mean that something doesnt matter to somebody
the problem is, this crisis has been over for years. this dude is thought to be dead. they can't even verify that the little raids here or there are even kony people. most of the footage is old, and it is estimated that 10% of the money the company takes in even makes its way to uganda. the rest is
"administrative"
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By jbock13
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#385884
All I know is that when he came here I was very skeptical. As usual my hunches are right (thanks to my mother for giving me that ability).
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By flamesfan30
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#385892
RubberMallet wrote:
BJWilliams wrote:About the whole matter of "if you arent physically there doing something about it, then you dont care about it". Just because people dont have "boots on the ground" does not mean that something doesnt matter to somebody
the problem is, this crisis has been over for years. this dude is thought to be dead. they can't even verify that the little raids here or there are even kony people. most of the footage is old, and it is estimated that 10% of the money the company takes in even makes its way to uganda. the rest is
"administrative"

umm no. that is 100% lies.
a) the highest paid employee makes 89,669 a year (jason russell, who spoke in convo last semester and currently suffering from a psychotic breakdown), and their CEO makes 88,241 a year.

b) theyre business model is... different. they believe in raising awareness in america (which increases donations) as well as helping on the ground. it akin to a advertising budget at any for- profit business.
they lay it all out here. http://www.invisiblechildren.com/critiques.html


C) kony has been out of uganda since 2006. but he moved into southern sudan, the democratic republic of the congo and the Central African republic. this is NOT over. the film is overly simplistic yes, thats kind of the point, but what your saying is simply not true.
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By RubberMallet
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#385918
Drink the koolaid it's cool. You have their reported salaries but that info submitted by charities to "should you donate?" and charity rating organizations are generally completely false and usually are only base salaries. Never mind that info is probably prior to this campaign blowing up.

Did you just post direct from their website what they say they do? Pff lol. You realize how ridiculous that is right?

There is no proof that kony is responsible for what's going on now. The films message is clear. We are awesome film makers please send us money. Some of it will go to helping africans but we take most of it cuz we got bills and spit

I have a general distrust of most charities in regards to what % actually goes to its cause. These guys seem no different.


Still can't get over "their website says you're wrong". Lol
By thepostman
#385930
this debate is pointless now
By jmdickens
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#385932
thepostman wrote:this debate is pointless now
But still entertaining. Please continue....
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By flamesfan30
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#385936
yes i did go to their website, and it does say your wrong. if a company posts its 990's online and that's not good enough for you then your assuming what they are doing is not just wrong but massive fraud. its clear that this is something that goes much deeper than the actual issue at the moment.

i believe them because i have supported them since 2005. my churches college minister was a roadie with them back in 2004. I know plenty of people who know these people directly. I can tell you their hearts and motives are real. if you don't believe me or them that's fine, i don't know what to tell you. this is about idealism vs cynicism and we clearly are on opposite ends of the spectrum and i don't think anything i say here would change that.
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By RubberMallet
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#385945
Oh so now you know people who know them and they said they are good people. They can post whatever they want on their website. Charities consistently doctor and fudge their financials and information all the time. It's easy to understand your defensiveness now. You are apparently shelling out bucks to this sham.

Keep on filling their pockets with cash because, well, your friends think they are good people with good hearts.

The debate is pointless because Joseph kony isnt much of a story anymore.

Now if you'll excuse me I have to go make sure my grandmother isnt writing checks to fund this dopes alcoholic bouts of psychosis.
By LUconn
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#385952
This situation immediately brought 2 things to my mind.

1. That FSU QB that went crazy and was running around naked. They later found out he had Lymes disease.
2. God caused Nebuchadnezzar to go insane for a period of time because of how he admired his own work and thought how great he was.
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