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By jbock13
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#385600
But they're just trying to keep you safe... I mean, I see no problem with the police setting up checkpoints every 10 miles, just to make sure people aren't texting. After all, if you're not doing anything, surely you won't mind the inconvience! :D

(of course you know I'm kidding)

People let the police unconstitutionally search their cars all the time with the DUI checkpoints. It's astounding to me how many liberties people give up for the supposed guarantee of safety. And I'm aware most officers do not want to do such things. I get it.
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By Purple Haize
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#385602
jbock13 wrote:But they're just trying to keep you safe... I mean, I see no problem with the police setting up checkpoints every 10 miles, just to make sure people aren't texting. After all, if you're not doing anything, surely you won't mind the inconvience! :D

(of course you know I'm kidding)

People let the police unconstitutionally search their cars all the time with the DUI checkpoints. It's astounding to me how many liberties people give up for the supposed guarantee of safety. And I'm aware most officers do not want to do such things. I get it.
You don't have to drive. The drivers liscense is implied consent.
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By jbock13
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#385603
really Haize? Wow. So it's great to know that you surrender all your liberty to the government. Why should my car be searched without probable cause? I've been to third world countries. In Peru, checkpoints are set up every 100km. In Guatemala, you cannot drive outside Guatemala City without government approval. I've seen this before. I know where this leads.

Unless I have committed a crime, or authorities have reason to suspect I have committed a crime, my constitutional rights should not be violated.
By jmdickens
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#385606
Purple Haize wrote:
jbock13 wrote:But they're just trying to keep you safe... I mean, I see no problem with the police setting up checkpoints every 10 miles, just to make sure people aren't texting. After all, if you're not doing anything, surely you won't mind the inconvience! :D

(of course you know I'm kidding)

People let the police unconstitutionally search their cars all the time with the DUI checkpoints. It's astounding to me how many liberties people give up for the supposed guarantee of safety. And I'm aware most officers do not want to do such things. I get it.
You don't have to drive. The drivers liscense is implied consent.
I guess you haven't read the Supreme Court's decision on those checkpoints....I guess the police should be able to come into your home without permission as well?
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By jbock13
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#385607
jmdickens wrote:
Purple Haize wrote:
jbock13 wrote:But they're just trying to keep you safe... I mean, I see no problem with the police setting up checkpoints every 10 miles, just to make sure people aren't texting. After all, if you're not doing anything, surely you won't mind the inconvience! :D

(of course you know I'm kidding)

People let the police unconstitutionally search their cars all the time with the DUI checkpoints. It's astounding to me how many liberties people give up for the supposed guarantee of safety. And I'm aware most officers do not want to do such things. I get it.
You don't have to drive. The drivers liscense is implied consent.
I guess you haven't read the Supreme Court's decision on those checkpoints....I guess the police should be able to come into your home without permission as well?
Correct. By Haize's argument, because you are a living and breathing human in America, you have given your implied consent. Right Haize?
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By NotAJerry
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#385613
Purple Haize wrote:
jbock13 wrote:But they're just trying to keep you safe... I mean, I see no problem with the police setting up checkpoints every 10 miles, just to make sure people aren't texting. After all, if you're not doing anything, surely you won't mind the inconvience! :D

(of course you know I'm kidding)

People let the police unconstitutionally search their cars all the time with the DUI checkpoints. It's astounding to me how many liberties people give up for the supposed guarantee of safety. And I'm aware most officers do not want to do such things. I get it.
You don't have to drive. The drivers liscense is implied consent.
And now we see how Bush/Obama/Romney/Santorum and their ilk have supporters. The Constitution is dead.
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By Purple Haize
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#385616
jbock13 wrote:really Haize? Wow. So it's great to know that you surrender all your liberty to the government. Why should my car be searched without probable cause? I've been to third world countries. In Peru, checkpoints are set up every 100km. In Guatemala, you cannot drive outside Guatemala City without government approval. I've seen this before. I know where this leads.

Unless I have committed a crime, or authorities have reason to suspect I have committed a crime, my constitutional rights should not be violated.
Well at least I can't get pulled over for driving while Bock! :D

I have no problem with DUI checkpoints. That is because a drunk driver is a danger to others, Seatbelt check points, random stops etc? I see no need.
I can't see any correlation between a DUI check point and entering my home without a warrant.
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By jbock13
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#385617
Well that's interesting. Because at most DUI checkpoints, they do check for seat belts. So why was my car searched when there was no probable cause that I was drinking in the first place? Sounds to me like a violation of the 4'th Amendment. It is, in fact, the EXACT same thing as if the police came without a warrant to search your home. Of course we all know the only reason anyone would object is if they were up to no good! (sarcasm once again included)

Exactly. There will always be drunk drivers, but DUI checkpoints are set up to get those who had 2 glasses of wine with their dinner, rather than the guy on route 43, blasted with a .40.

At the last checkpoint i got stopped at, I complied with the officer (as all should do). But I also made it clear to him that this was unconstitutional. But Americans will give up anything for some false sense of security.
By thepostman
#385618
When flying in Indonesia I saw a man walk through their security with a machete. The machine didn't go off and the man carried the machete on the plane with him. I thought it was funny at the time.

Did this story have a point?? No, not really...TSA is a joke but it is what it is I suppose.
By LUconn
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#385620
this board has really become the same rehashing of the same "outrages" over and over.

I watch Alaska State Troopers all the time and very few people are smart enough to not let the troopers search their car. And they always find drugs. I never understand why they let them search it. Of course whenever people refuse they just impound the car until they can get a warrant so I guess you're just speeding up the process.
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By Purple Haize
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#385623
thepostman wrote:When flying in Indonesia I saw a man walk through their security with a machete. The machine didn't go off and the man carried the machete on the plane with him. I thought it was funny at the time.

Did this story have a point?? No, not really...TSA is a joke but it is what it is I suppose.
Didn't NWA have a song about that? Get up get up and get down TSA is a joke in your town!?

JB- really? Nothing for the 'driving while Bock"? I thought it was pure gold! You do make a good point about who usually gets snagged in DUI checkpoints. I just think there is aHUGE difference between a car and a house
Of course the most thorough stop I ever had was speeding outside of Gaza. Just a friendly FYI, don't re enact scenes from Platoon with Charlie Sheen and don't get pulled over for speeding outside of Gaza with a Palestinian big wig in your car!
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By jbock13
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#385624
LUconn wrote:this board has really become the same rehashing of the same "outrages" over and over.

I watch Alaska State Troopers all the time and very few people are smart enough to not let the troopers search their car. And they always find drugs. I never understand why they let them search it. Of course whenever people refuse they just impound the car until they can get a warrant so I guess you're just speeding up the process.
That's MUCH different. The police have probable cause. Whereas when they just randomly search my car at a checkpoint, they have no reason to suspect me of drinking just by the sole basis of me driving my car.

Haize, what does NWA stand for :dontgetit :lol:
By ALUmnus
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#385626
The county and state police do regular stops on the main road that I live off of. They set up at the intersection at the start of the road and stop everyone trying to drive through, and there's no way around it. They do this in the middle of the day, so I'm always at work when it happens, but my wife gets stopped every time. She's gotten ticketed for registration and inspection, stupid stuff like that. But it ticks me off every time. It's a rural road and they have no reason to do that other than to ticket people for minor violations. She shouldn't have to go through an unnecessary roadblock just to get to our house.

I'm not saying this is true, but it just adds to everyone's perception that when the coffers are getting low, the cops increase minor traffic enforcement.
By ATrain
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#385634
The agent who did my pat down was cute, and since I also got his number, it made up for my rights being violated at ORF in December.
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By jcmanson
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#385638
ATrain wrote:The agent who did my pat down was cute, and since I also got his number, it made up for my rights being violated at ORF in December.
wow
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By adam42381
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#385646
ATrain wrote:The agent who did my pat down was cute, and since I also got his number, it made up for my rights being violated at ORF in December.
:lol:
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By Purple Haize
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#385651
ATrain wrote:The agent who did my pat down was cute, and since I also got his number, it made up for my rights being violated at ORF in December.
And by 'pat down' you mean....... :D
Wait, his name wasn't Pat was it?
By jmdickens
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#385686
ATrain wrote:The agent who did my pat down was cute, and since I also got his number, it made up for my rights being violated at ORF in December.
i wonder if a hot female cop would ever give me a reason to tell this same story? hmmm
By jmdickens
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#385692
Purple Haize wrote: I have no problem with DUI checkpoints. That is because a drunk driver is a danger to others, Seatbelt check points, random stops etc? I see no need.
I can't see any correlation between a DUI check point and entering my home without a warrant.
Haize, the supreme court does compare the home and the car in regards to the 4th amendment.

4th amendment:
“The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.”

The Supreme Court admitted that such checkpoints infringed on a constitutional right, however Chief Justice Rehnquist argued the state interest in reducing drunk driving outweighed this minor infringement... :dontgetit

The Dissenting justices argued that the Constitution doesn’t provide exceptions. "That stopping every car might make it easier to prevent drunken driving...is an insufficient justification for abandoning the requirement of individualized suspicion", dissenting Justice Brennan

Rehnquist argued that an exception was justified because sobriety roadblocks were effective and necessary. On the other hand, dissenting Justice Stevens countered that "the findings of the trial court, based on an extensive record and affirmed by the Michigan Court of Appeals, indicate that the net effect of sobriety checkpoints on traffic safety is infinitesimal and possibly negative."

When looking back at Michigan Dept. of State Police v. Sitz and Wikipedia, I just learned that ten states (Idaho, Iowa, Michigan, Minnesota, Oregon, Rhode Island, Texas, Washington, Wisconsin, and Wyoming) have found that sobriety roadblocks violate their own state constitutions or have outlawed them. :shock:
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