If roundball is your blood, this is the place to discuss the Flames as they move into the Ritchie McKay era for the 2nd time.

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By jbock13
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I wonder how good our record would be if we would quit flopping on defense, and actually converted all our shots within 2 feet of the basket.
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By jbock13
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47-38 UNCA with 7:54 left.
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By jbock13
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Alright, game's over. This is so getting old.
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By jbock13
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26-8 run. I don't know what else there is to say.
By flamehunter
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FlamesBeBallin wrote:I realize UNCA is a great team, but Layer just can't coach. His substitutions make NO sense sometimes.
Agreed (on the substitutions patterns). Gielo hits a big 3, gets everyone fired up and then spends the next 10+ minutes on the bench. Sometimes you gotta go with the flow and change your gameplan on the fly.
By ballah09
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flamesfan30 wrote:
FlamesBeBallin wrote:I realize UNCA is a great team, but Layer just can't coach. His substitutions make NO sense sometimes.

THIS.
+2

also add his terrible late game management (see Winthrop)
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By Purple Haize
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I think this actually shows how close we are and how damaging the injuries are to the season. We just ran out of horses.
By mlschubert
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Enjoyed the game tonight. Good defensive effort and intensity throughout, crowd was great and we saw some exciting play up-front. Joel and Antwan both looked strong inside. It was difficult to figure out why we ended up w a 4-guard lineup so many times; it killed us on offensive rebounds and interior defense. Hoping Gielo can play the 3 spot next year.
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By ToTheLeft
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I think:

Taylor
JCS
Gielo
Antwan
Joel

would be a great starting 5 for next year.

I am really intrigued by how good Gielo can be. He's able to put the ball on the floor, he's a good passer, and never seems out of control with the ball.
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By ToTheLeft
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ToTheLeft wrote:I think:

Taylor
JCS
Gielo
Antwan
Joel

would be a great starting 5 for next year.

I am really intrigued by how good Gielo can be. He's able to put the ball on the floor, he's a good passer, and never seems out of control with the ball.
Note: this starting 5 only works if JCS is a catch and shoot guy.

Other note: Taylor refers to Larry Taylor, however, if any other guards beat him out as the starting 1, so be it.
By Chippy
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We have only one 3 point threat on this team. We need to have 2-3 on the floor at all times. Hoping JUCOs or Taylor can provide this next year. The opposition has made 2X 3 pointers as we have so far this year.
David Minaya (5-17) had a very poor shooting night and came up with only 2 rebounds. Need to get more from your 3/4. Plus we need to send all 5 to the boards on D especially against a team like UNCA who are small but have quickness, strength, and hops.
Nonetheless we continue to give maximum effort every game and we are improving defensively as a team.
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By ToTheLeft
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Chippy wrote:We have only one 3 point threat on this team. We need to have 2-3 on the floor at all times. Hoping JUCOs or Taylor can provide this next year. The opposition has made 2X 3 pointers as we have so far this year.
David Minaya (5-17) had a very poor shooting night and came up with only 2 rebounds. Need to get more from your 3/4. Plus we need to send all 5 to the boards on D especially against a team like UNCA who are small but have quickness, strength, and hops.
Nonetheless we continue to give maximum effort every game and we are improving defensively as a team.
I don't think we need three point shooters. Because then we live and die by the three.

Gielo can probably knock enough down, and JCS would obviously be a threat, and if Taylor can hit any at all, that's more than enough three point threat.
By truthorconsequences
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Purple Haize wrote:I think this actually shows how close we are and how damaging the injuries are to the season. We just ran out of horses.
Excuses galore....VMI suspends two key starters and still beats Winthrop. Stop the comedy and get back to holding home court.
By Chippy
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ToTheLeft wrote:
Chippy wrote:We have only one 3 point threat on this team. We need to have 2-3 on the floor at all times. Hoping JUCOs or Taylor can provide this next year. The opposition has made 2X 3 pointers as we have so far this year.
David Minaya (5-17) had a very poor shooting night and came up with only 2 rebounds. Need to get more from your 3/4. Plus we need to send all 5 to the boards on D especially against a team like UNCA who are small but have quickness, strength, and hops.
Nonetheless we continue to give maximum effort every game and we are improving defensively as a team.
I don't think we need three point shooters. Because then we live and die by the three.

Gielo can probably knock enough down, and JCS would obviously be a threat, and if Taylor can hit any at all, that's more than enough three point threat.
I'm not saying we should live and die with the 3 pointer. I'm merely saying without 3 point shooters our offense becomes both predictable and easier to defend. The 3 point shot extends the D. Have you noticed how difficult it is for us to get easy baskets around the hoop? Look at UNCA - any one of 4-5 players are 3 point threats and then look how many easy baskets they got tonight from point blank range as a result. I believe they had 15 3 pointers against us last time and blew us out - they're 13-1 in BSC. I guess it works for them even though they don't live and die from 3 point land.
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By Purple Haize
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truthorconsequences wrote:
Purple Haize wrote:I think this actually shows how close we are and how damaging the injuries are to the season. We just ran out of horses.
Excuses galore....VMI suspends two key starters and still beats Winthrop. Stop the comedy and get back to holding home court.
So we should keep you firmly in the fire DL column Study
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By ToTheLeft
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Chippy wrote:
ToTheLeft wrote:
Chippy wrote:We have only one 3 point threat on this team. We need to have 2-3 on the floor at all times. Hoping JUCOs or Taylor can provide this next year. The opposition has made 2X 3 pointers as we have so far this year.
David Minaya (5-17) had a very poor shooting night and came up with only 2 rebounds. Need to get more from your 3/4. Plus we need to send all 5 to the boards on D especially against a team like UNCA who are small but have quickness, strength, and hops.
Nonetheless we continue to give maximum effort every game and we are improving defensively as a team.
I don't think we need three point shooters. Because then we live and die by the three.

Gielo can probably knock enough down, and JCS would obviously be a threat, and if Taylor can hit any at all, that's more than enough three point threat.
I'm not saying we should live and die with the 3 pointer. I'm merely saying without 3 point shooters our offense becomes both predictable and easier to defend. The 3 point shot extends the D. Have you noticed how difficult it is for us to get easy baskets around the hoop? Look at UNCA - any one of 4-5 players are 3 point threats and then look how many easy baskets they got tonight from point blank range as a result. I believe they had 15 3 pointers against us last time and blew us out - they're 13-1 in BSC. I guess it works for them even though they don't live and die from 3 point land.
That's because Eddie has recruited the guys to do this. We currently have a bunch of guys who just don't shoot from outside. Tavares is a mid range guy. Dave is a mid range guy. Chene can't shoot. Jesse can't shoot. Ethan can't play for that long. Gielo can shoot a bit. Other than JCS, there's just no shooters. And the only bigs we have that can step out are Antwan and Baird, and I don't think Baird is going to be helping the team any time soon.

When we did have shooters, we lived and died by it. We knew that we could run our bad offense, because there's a chance that Kyle/Smitty/Seth/Evan would knock down a three with someone defending them well. We settled for bad.

Now we have to work to get good offense, and I'd rather have guys who know how to run a decent offense, than a bunch of guys who just know they can stand around and set "half screens" until a shooter takes a shot, then run back on D.

I can agree we need some better shooting from beyond the arc, but I don't think it needs to come from loading the floor with guys who can shoot. We never won a Big South title with that mentality. We need 1 or 2 guys at any time who are on the perimeter waiting for a good shot, rather than forcing up bad ones, like JC does a few times a game, since sometimes there's just nothing else going on on offense.

Our offense right now consists of:

Tavares standing in the corner.
JVP running around setting screens and sealing in the post.
Antwan kicking peoples butts in the post.
Jesse being Jesse.

Mix in the inconsistent, and in my opinion, really unlucky, play of Minaya, and then JC taking all the shots that come from possessions where we just can't get anything else.

There's more problems than just not having shooters on the floor.
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By ToTheLeft
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For anyone who cares:

There is only 1 team in D1 basketball who shoots fewer threes per game than LU goes. Southern Utah.

Fun fact for you all.
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By Purple Haize
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ToTheLeft wrote:For anyone who cares:

There is only 1 team in D1 basketball who shoots fewer threes per game than LU goes. Southern Utah.

Fun fact for you all.
I'm from Indiana. I love the 3 point shot! I also liked the one class high school tournament we had but that's another story.
I agree we need more/ better shooters. It would help Jesse on the drive if the D had to stay home on a shooter. This is where Geilo can be a factor next year. I think he is just getting his feet wet this year.
By truthorconsequences
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truthorconsequences wrote:
Purple Haize wrote:I think this actually shows how close we are and how damaging the injuries are to the season. We just ran out of horses.
Excuses galore....VMI suspends two key starters and still beats Winthrop. Stop the comedy and get back to holding home court.
I am in the column for discontinuing your tears over injury to justify the inept performance and lacking attendance of this program. VMI didn't cry they played UNCA to one possession and soundly beat Winthrop today. DL unfortunately will likely go 6th, 2nd and 10th with two quarterfinal losses and a playin loss. However seeing where our underachieving AD hired him that is probably good enough for an extension or at worst case a PR campaign to convince the simpletons of our progress.
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By Purple Haize
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truthorconsequences wrote:
truthorconsequences wrote:
Purple Haize wrote:I think this actually shows how close we are and how damaging the injuries are to the season. We just ran out of horses.
Excuses galore....VMI suspends two key starters and still beats Winthrop. Stop the comedy and get back to holding home court.
I am in the column for discontinuing your tears over injury to justify the inept performance and lacking attendance of this program. VMI didn't cry they played UNCA to one possession and soundly beat Winthrop today. DL unfortunately will likely go 6th, 2nd and 10th with two quarterfinal losses and a playin loss. However seeing where our underachieving AD hired him that is probably good enough for an extension or at worst case a PR campaign to convince the simpletons of our progress.
And this is another place where your argument falls apart like a hot cookie.
JB does not recruit. JB does not set offensive and defensive patterns. JB does not set up substitution patterns. That is what is essential to on court success. JB does non of these. DL is responsible for all of those decisions. So if you are unhappy with the results on the floor,direct them at the person most responsible. Man up, quit hiding behind your jilted lover rage and call for DL to be fired.
By truthorconsequences
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Excuses galore....VMI suspends two key starters and still beats Winthrop. Stop the comedy and get back to holding home court.[/quote]

I am in the column for discontinuing your tears over injury to justify the inept performance and lacking attendance of this program. VMI didn't cry they played UNCA to one possession and soundly beat Winthrop today. DL unfortunately will likely go 6th, 2nd and 10th with two quarterfinal losses and a playin loss. However seeing where our underachieving AD hired him that is probably good enough for an extension or at worst case a PR campaign to convince the simpletons of our progress.[/quote]

And this is another place where your argument falls apart like a hot cookie.
JB does not recruit. JB does not set offensive and defensive patterns. JB does not set up substitution patterns. That is what is essential to on court success. JB does non of these. DL is responsible for all of those decisions. So if you are unhappy with the results on the floor,direct them at the person most responsible. Man up, quit hiding behind your jilted lover rage and call for DL to be fired.[/quote]

JB is responsible for screwing up this program. It is not rage not fact.
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By Purple Haize
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You either believe JB DOES all those things listed or you are a gutless wonder for not holding the person responsible for what you perceive are the on the floor short comings.
I go with gutless wonder.
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