[Purple Haize]

So if we beat the 'bottom feeders' of the Big South we somehow are worse then those teams? I mean given the choice, I would rather beat bottom feeders then be the bottom feeder getting beat.

[SumItUp]

It is also true that beginning with a first round loss in the 05 BSC tourney and continuing through the 05-06 season, our record against D1 teams was 4-24. I wonder if ToC felt as strongly about how that team "underachieved".

You are killing TorC's street cred with that info.

[Purple Haize]

Which street is that? Sesame? Baker? Hill ( I hear they are blue there)?

[NotAJerry]

Which street is that? Sesame? Baker? Hill ( I hear they are blue there)?

K St. NW in DC. Home of the corporate lobbyist corridor. It's the biggest street I know of for gaining credibility by ignoring all reason and evidence while trying to convince others of your position.

[Purple Haize]

Which street is that? Sesame? Baker? Hill ( I hear they are blue there)?

K St. NW in DC. Home of the corporate lobbyist corridor. It's the biggest street I know of for gaining credibility by ignoring all reason and evidence while trying to convince others of your position.

I bow to your brash subtle ness

[truthorconsequences]

It is true that beginning with our 5 game losing streak at the end of last season up through the loss last week at Winthrop, our record against D1 teams was indeed 4-20.

It is also true that beginning with a first round loss in the 05 BSC tourney and continuing through the 05-06 season, our record against D1 teams was 4-24. I wonder if ToC felt as strongly about how that team "underachieved".

I was very disappointed in how last years team finished. This years poor start was more understandable. I'm encouraged by recent results. We've won 4 of our last 6, with the only 2 losses nailbiters against WU. Looking forward to finishing the BSC season this year the way we began it last year!

Quite frankly I was disappointed with how we had to endure the 05-06 but like you found it understandable because RD lost a starter to transfer and removed two post players from the roster late plus he had just delivered the best three year run in the program's history with a Championship! Yet he responded with a 3rd place finished with a 7-2 finish to conference play in 06-07 . He also had a roster that would have been in the top of the league in place. Yet some of you who now claim to be wholesome, ardent LU supporters were nothing short of attack dogs. Some who were critical of junior college recruiting now praise the fact that DL has had to go that route maybe RD had some things figured out.

It is clearly JB's show to run and he has been given the green light to spend major $$$. The past five years have been one image spin after to another to try and generate the enthusiasm for his leadership of the program. 4,3,6,2,8 while spending unprecedented budgets in the history of BSC basketball is called "progress". We even buy our way out of tough tournament and buy our way in a post season tournament then hang a banner next to our NCAA ones. Hopefully JB can learn how athletics can win and connect to the community because he obviously did not understand how to lead a this program. The program has lost it's connection to the community and even with the increase the student body has difficulty in finding the Vines. We are now reduced to maybe 6 or 7 posters who even care on this message board. But some on here will continue to applaud the mediocrity and call it great or take refuge in demonizing any voices that express their belief that there is a more effective way to invest our budgets and energies.

It will be an interesting finish to the 2011-2012 season.

[olldflame]

Does all of that spinning make you dizzy ToC? I find your obsession with the money issue amusing, as if you think that offered the same budget, your buddy would have refused it and voluntarily operated on a shoestring while sending the rest of the $$ to the mission field. We all know that the financial circumstances of the entire university have changed dramatically for the better, and most of us are grateful. Most of us also know that $$ does not always translate into dominance on the court/field.

As far as the "hardships" the 05-06 team faced, as usual you are spinning everything to explain away our former coach's failures and exaggerate his successes. Yes, that team had a key player transfer out, as did this year's team. They did not, however, lose an all-conference player and a talented reserve to injury. You make it sound like the dismissal of those 2 "big men" was somehow taking a high moral ground, when in fact one of those players never actually played for LU (and one could argue should not have been recruited) and would have been academically ineligible anyway. The other was a train wreck on and off the court. To the best of my knowledge, neither played D1 ball after leaving LU.

[IMBach]

Does all of that spinning make you dizzy ToC? I find your obsession with the money issue amusing, as if you think that offered the same budget, your buddy would have refused it and voluntarily operated on a shoestring while sending the rest of the $$ to the mission field. We all know that the financial circumstances of the entire university have changed dramatically for the better, and most of us are grateful. Most of us also know that $$ does not always translate into dominance on the court/field.

As far as the "hardships" the 05-06 team faced, as usual you are spinning everything to explain away our former coache's failures and exaggerate his successes. Yes, that team had a key player transfer out, as did this year's team. They did not, however, lose an all-conference player and a talented reserve to injury. You make it sound like the dismissal of those 2 "big men" was somehow taking a high moral ground, when in fact one of those players never actually played for LU (and one could argue should not have been recruited) and would have been academically ineligible anyway. The other was a train wreck on and off the court. To the best of my knowledge, neither played D1 ball after leaving LU.

The fact that he states we had the best 3 yr run with RD is spinning? We have seen some train wrecks in the past five years as well, please don't talk about players who should not be recruited when the AD supports cocaine possession charged athletes on the field.

[Chippy]

[NotAJerry]

ToC and BachBachBach are almost tolerable when they only show up in quotes from those who won't foe them.

[Purple Haize]

As this poor horse is dead, could I get a definition of the phrase 'best 3 years in LU basketball history"?

2003 - 14-15 (8-6)
2004 - 18-15 (12-4)
2005 - 13-15 (11-5)

Total. 45-45 50% (41-15 73%)

1992 - 22-7 (10-4)
1993 - 16-14 (9-7)
1994 - 18-12 (12-6)

Total 56-33 65% (31-17 68.7%)

[NotAJerry]

How dare you doubt that having a losing record in 2 of 3 seasons isn't the best Liberty has ever done.

[truthorconsequences]

As this poor horse is dead, could I get a definition of the phrase 'best 3 years in LU basketball history"?

2003 - 14-15 (8-6) 2nd
2004 - 18-15 (12-4) 1st
2005 - 13-15 (11-5) 2nd

Total. 45-45 50% (41-15 73%)

1992 - 22-7 (10-4) 2nd
1993 - 16-14 (9-7) 4th
1994 - 18-12 (12-6) 4th

Total 56-33 65% (31-17 68.7%)

Thanks for validating my position.

[Purple Haize]

As this poor horse is dead, could I get a definition of the phrase 'best 3 years in LU basketball history"?

2003 - 14-15 (8-6) 2nd
2004 - 18-15 (12-4) 1st
2005 - 13-15 (11-5) 2nd

Total. 45-45 50% (41-15 73%)

1992 - 22-7 (10-4) 2nd
1993 - 16-14 (9-7) 4th
1994 - 18-12 (12-6) 4th

Total 56-33 65% (31-17 68.7%)

Thanks for validating my position.

[NotAJerry]

Like I said, it's fun to see the occasional post from one of the chuckleheads on foe get quoted just to further solidify the decision.

[Purple Haize]

Like I said, it's fun to see the occasional post from one of the chuckleheads on foe get quoted just to further solidify the decision.

I do it as the occasional public service. No need to thank me. It's a ministry

[truthorconsequences]

As this poor horse is dead, could I get a definition of the phrase 'best 3 years in LU basketball history"?

2003 - 14-15 (8-6) 2nd
2004 - 18-15 (12-4) 1st
2005 - 13-15 (11-5) 2nd

Total. 45-45 50% (41-15 73%)

1992 - 22-7 (10-4) 2nd
1993 - 16-14 (9-7) 4th
1994 - 18-12 (12-6) 4th

Total 56-33 65% (31-17 68.7%)

Thanks for validating my position.

As you said in WBB the gold to prepare your team for Conference. At this level it is all about winning in the BSC until we can attract enough talent to compete on a national schedule.

[Purple Haize]

Since you obviously didn't understand what I meant in the other thread. The BS only gets its tournament winner in. Winning the regular season is nice but still won't get you in. So, by your own argument (until you find someway to blame this on JB) tournament records are what matter.
2003 1-1
2004 3-1
2005 0-1
Total 4-5

1994 3-1
1995 1-1
1996 2-1
Total 6-3

1982 2-1
1983 3-1
1984 1-1
Total 6-3