[Purple Haize]

Its a little early for you dickens. Take a shower, drink some coffee, and if your still calling for revival...

I wonder if he sobered up yet?

[Liberty4Life]

My contention with the crux of the chancellor's argument:

Is it really fair to call Asa a "first-time offender"? Maybe for drugs, but this is a guy who has rap sheet as long as a football field. He's a guy who had a "felony malicious wounding" arrest on his record before arriving on campus, among other crimes and misdemeanors.

You'd think he'd already be on a short leash arriving on campus, but, I guess not.

For chancellor to say that any other student would be extended the same grace is fine. But I remember my freshman year, dozens of people were kicked out of school because their car was identified (that's right -- if your roommate borrowed your car that evening, you were expelled as well) at an off-campus party where alcohol was served.

Of course, Liberty has changed tremendously since my day. I love that Falwell Junior has done campus beautification projects. I'm excited whenever I see these five year plans. I like that we're striving to become a stronger academic university. I'm proud to see all the improvements done to a school that I'm proud to be an alumnus of.

But not all changes, evidently, have been for the better.

(I knew this was going to happen when they rescinded the "you have to wear a tie to class" rule).

[wideflame]

Hey Sigmo,

Thanks for posting! Well said! I heard Nick was back in Lynchburg. Kev is on his way tonite. I am anxious to hear about the meeting Sunday! GO FLAMES!

Don

[From the class of 09]

Asa was classified as a first time offender according to VA law too. So Lib was not the only one wrong apparently. Also if you're serious about the tie comment that makes you sound pretty pretentious (and kind of an a**). This coming from a guy who wears a tie 5 days a week.

I understand disagreeing with how this was handled but I just don't understand those who are making this into something bigger than it is.

Because the guys don't wear ties really?

[wideflame]

A few of the posters might need to watch this...it is not for me to judge...just watch. This will explain my position on the ASA matter....Full Disclosure, I am a Christian, a MEMBER of a SOUTHERN BAPTIST Church and attend Thomas Roads every chance I get when I visit my son (a football player on full scholarship) on campus. I am the least in the Kingdon Of God and have no right to accuse anyone of a "false religion".......just watch the video.....

http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A ... =UAQH3hvEW

[BJWilliams]

Asa was classified as a first time offender according to VA law too. So Lib was not the only one wrong apparently. Also if your serious about the tie comment that makes you sound pretty pretentious (and kind of an a**). This coming from a guy who wears a tie 5 days a week.

I understand disagreeing with how this was handled but I just don't understand those who are making this into something bigger than it is.

Because the guys don't wear ties really?

Add to that the fact that this Restorative Justice Program that Asa was part of has only been in place for a year maybe a year and a half...so of course things were different then...they were different when I was starting out at Liberty...but things arent done the way I was a freshman (and postman and jcmanson), or when Jon transferred in here a few years ago...

[Liberty4Life]

Asa was classified as a first time offender according to VA law too. So Lib was not the only one wrong apparently. Also if you're serious about the tie comment that makes you sound pretty pretentious (and kind of an a**). This coming from a guy who wears a tie 5 days a week.

I understand disagreeing with how this was handled but I just don't understand those who are making this into something bigger than it is.

Because the guys don't wear ties really?

The point of my post was that he may have been classified as a "first-time offender" -- for drugs -- but that doesn't mean he had a squeaky clean slate. He was convicted of three misdemeanors in late 2010, and had a warrant out for his arrest.*

By the way, thank you for calling me a "pretentious ***". For a minute, I forgot what it was like to be in junior high school.**

Regarding the ties, obviously I was kidding. Do you not know what a joke is?

* This is quite interesting. Falwell said that "last year" they re-edited the code to allow grace to students who are caught doing crimes. If they re-edited the code BEFORE Chapman's 2010 run-in with the law, that means Chapman had at least two strikes on his record (the 2010 incident and the 2011 one) when they made the decision to reinstate him... and that means that the "we'll give grace once" excuse is baloney. If they re-edited it AFTER, that means Chapman's 2010 run-in occurred when we didn't have the current code in place (meaning that the old rules, "one strike and you're out", were in effect). If, back then, we had the "one-strike-and-you're-out" policy, that means we did make a special exemption to allow him to play. Either way, something smells fishy.

** Yes, I realize that saying you lowered yourself to the maturity of a junior high schooler is juvenile in it of itself, but I don't care.

[JLFJR]

09, you are right. The Virginia code applies to first time drug offenders. Asa Chapman had no previous drug convictions so he was a first offender. That's the way his attorney explained it to me anyhow. I haven't checked the Code of Virginia on that point but I believe it is correct. Liberty defines a first offender as a student who has no discipline record with the Student Conduct Office so this player met that definition as well.

And dickens, nobody at Liberty is "blaming" anyone else at Liberty. There is nothing to blame anyone for. Everything was handled in accordance with Liberty policies that I believe demonstrated to the world what Christian forgiveness and accountability are all about. I am proud of where Liberty is spiritually and proud that Liberty helps wayward kids get back on track. Dad did that whenever he could on a case by case basis but we have just recently made his practice policy so there is consistency. Please go back and read my posts.

I do think this event was a big factor in Danny Rocco's decision to move on to Richmond. Maybe God used this little drama to show Danny what His plan was for Danny's future. Who knows?

Thanks

[JLFJR]

Liberty4life,
Sorry, but your analysis of Liberty's policies reveals you too need to read my previous posts. Your facts and conclusions are not even close to reality.

[From the class of 09]

Lib4Life you are right my bad your joke was hilarious and right in context with the rest of your post.

[Purple Haize]

Asa was classified as a first time offender according to VA law too. So Lib was not the only one wrong apparently. Also if you're serious about the tie comment that makes you sound pretty pretentious (and kind of an a**). This coming from a guy who wears a tie 5 days a week.

I understand disagreeing with how this was handled but I just don't understand those who are making this into something bigger than it is.

Because the guys don't wear ties really?

If he keeps up the coke habit the Columbians my eventually have a tie for him to wear!

The issue is splitting hairs over what is a ' first time offender'. Yes this was his first DRUG related offense, but not his first run in with the law. I agree with LIBERTY that he should have been on a short leash do to his previous legal issues, but apparently everyone turned a blind eye to that.

The administration feels as though they did nothing wrong and want to put the responsibility on a coach who is no longer here. That is their prerogative. I disagree 100% with that tact and have stated my reasons. I have dealt with athletes and felonies before, no one would accuse me of being legalistic with the way they were handled. IMO this was handled about the worst possible way it could have been. ( I can think of 1 other way worse). But if the administration feels it was handled splendidly, then good on them and move forward.

[michaeleyou]

Purple Haize

The issue is splitting hairs over what is a ' first time offender'. Yes this was his first DRUG related offense, but not his first run in with the law. I agree with LIBERTY that he should have been on a short leash do to his previous legal issues, but apparently everyone turned a blind eye to that.

The administration feels as though they did nothing wrong and want to put the responsibility on a coach who is no longer here. That is their prerogative. I disagree 100% with that tact and have stated my reasons. I have dealt with athletes and felonies before, no one would accuse me of being legalistic with the way they were handled. IMO this was handled about the worst possible way it could have been. ( I can think of 1 other way worse). But if the administration feels it was handled splendidly, then good on them and move forward.

But are you not assuming that the other charges were common knowledge? Everyone knows about them now because of the drug charge.

[JLFJR]

Purple, you are wrong on so many levels but I am done arguing with you. Someone told me about your history with Liberty the other day so I understand why you need to find fault with the school. If you feel you were wronged in the ancient past, I would be glad to sit down with you and talk about it. Isn't it time to move on?

[thesportscritic]

Asa was classified as a first time offender according to VA law too. So Lib was not the only one wrong apparently. Also if you're serious about the tie comment that makes you sound pretty pretentious (and kind of an a**). This coming from a guy who wears a tie 5 days a week.

I understand disagreeing with how this was handled but I just don't understand those who are making this into something bigger than it is.

Because the guys don't wear ties really?

If he keeps up the coke habit the Columbians my eventually have a tie for him to wear!

The issue is splitting hairs over what is a ' first time offender'. Yes this was his first DRUG related offense, but not his first run in with the law. I agree with LIBERTY that he should have been on a short leash do to his previous legal issues, but apparently everyone turned a blind eye to that.

The administration feels as though they did nothing wrong and want to put the responsibility on a coach who is no longer here. That is their prerogative. I disagree 100% with that tact and have stated my reasons. I have dealt with athletes and felonies before, no one would accuse me of being legalistic with the way they were handled. IMO this was handled about the worst possible way it could have been. ( I can think of 1 other way worse). But if the administration feels it was handled splendidly, then good on them and move forward.

+1

Asa has no business representing this university on the football field whatsoever when there were drugs found on his persons and add to the fact that this is not his first run in with the law and has a long rapsheet. I am all for him allowing him to finish school but definitely not on the football field at all!

[JLFJR]

sportscritic, you are yet another member who needs to read back a few pages on this thread!

[Schfourteenteen]

Rocco went to bat for Asa. Rocco is gone primarily because of this incident. Is that not enough?

[thesportscritic]

uh trust me i've read this entire thread from start to finish and that is my opinion of this matter. PERIOD!

[Purple Haize]

Purple, you are wrong on so many levels but I am done arguing with you. Someone told me about your history with Liberty the other day so I understand why you need to find fault with the school. If you feel you were wronged in the ancient past, I would be glad to sit down with you and talk about it. Isn't it time to move on?

Not sure who you talked to, not sure what you mean by my 'history' and not sure what you mean about me 'needing to find fault with the school' I find fault with the way this situation was handled and you want to extrapolate that into how I feel about the University then you are ignoring a lot of other things I have said or done. Perhaps you have had your view tainted by whomever you spoke too. If I had not moved on I wouldn't care enough to be on here or support Liberty Athletics. You know you shouldn't believe everything you hear about other people.

[JLFJR]

Rocco went to bat for Asa. Rocco is gone primarily because of this incident. Is that not enough?

Closing down the school would not be enough for those who have an axe to grind, Schfourteen.

[Purple Haize]

Rocco went to bat for Asa. Rocco is gone primarily because of this incident. Is that not enough?

Closing down the school would not be enough for those who have an axe to grind, Schfourteen.

Glad I'm not one of those people.

[JLFJR]

uh trust me i've read this entire thread from start to finish and that is my opinion of this matter. PERIOD!

Well, then, you are aware that many of us did not agree with the length of the suspension or did you miss that page?

[JLFJR]

Rocco went to bat for Asa. Rocco is gone primarily because of this incident. Is that not enough?

Closing down the school would not be enough for those who have an axe to grind, Schfourteen.

Glad I'm not one of those people.

I definitely don't put you in that category, Purple.

[Purple Haize]

Good Because I would have just wanted the school to suspend all operations until legal matters were settled! I think the student body would be behind me for the extended break!

[thesportscritic]

And i was not in that "many" that you speak of. He had no business playing football representing this University while he still had felony drug charges pending until those charges got dropped. So he should have been suspended IMO until those charges were dropped or dealt with.

[JLFJR]

Good Because I would have just wanted the school to suspend all operations until legal matters were settled! I think the student body would be behind me for the extended break!