[jbock13]

BCS is stupid.

But having said that, they got it right. Oklahoma State lost to Iowa State. Alabama lost to LSU. So Oklahoma State can sit down and shut up.

[bradyfan]

Oklahoma st has the better strength of schedule. Which has been their main argument, but I don't really care. The BCS is crap and I wouldn't of watched either way

No they don't. Alabama has the 2nd best SOS, Oklahoma St. has the 9th.

http://www.teamrankings.com/college-foo ... le-by-team

It's debatable. Here's one (which is one of the computer rankings used by the BCS) that rates Ok St's as higher than Alabama's.
http://www.andersonsports.com/football/ACF_frnk.html

So does Sagarin. So does Colley's. Only one of the BCS computer rankings lists Alabama's SOS as higher than OK St.
Check for yourself here: http://www.bcsknowhow.com/final-bcs-ran ... son-on-top
This just shows it isn't an exact science and this is why it should be determined on the field and not by "experts" opinions or scientific formulas.

I feel like this just keeps going in circles. The championship being determined on the field has nothing to do with whether or not Oklahoma St. should be in the championship. To determine the two best teams in college football, we have to use the formula given to us. Alabama had a better best win and a better loss than Oklahoma St. Both teams had tough SOS's. Some polls have Bama rated higher, others have Oklahoma St. rated higher. So, the SOS argument is void because both teams have equal arguments. We then have to go off of best win and worse loss. Bama has a better win and Oklahoma St has a worse loss. End of story. It's really going to be end of story when Andrew Luck throws for 500+ yards against them and Stanford beats Oklahoma St. 45-38.

[thepostman]

Oklahoma st has the better strength of schedule. Which has been their main argument, but I don't really care. The BCS is crap and I wouldn't of watched either way

No they don't. Alabama has the 2nd best SOS, Oklahoma St. has the 9th.

http://www.teamrankings.com/college-foo ... le-by-team

It's debatable. Here's one (which is one of the computer rankings used by the BCS) that rates Ok St's as higher than Alabama's.
http://www.andersonsports.com/football/ACF_frnk.html

So does Sagarin. So does Colley's. Only one of the BCS computer rankings lists Alabama's SOS as higher than OK St.
Check for yourself here: http://www.bcsknowhow.com/final-bcs-ran ... son-on-top
This just shows it isn't an exact science and this is why it should be determined on the field and not by "experts" opinions or scientific formulas.

And that is all I had seen...

I couldn't care any less though. I wasn't really trying to debate who is better alabama or oklahoma state because its a debate that could go on forever. There are good points on both sides. Its too bad it can't be settled on the field.

Oh well....

[Purple Haize]

BCS is stupid.

But having said that, they got it right. Oklahoma State lost to Iowa State. Alabama lost to LSU. So Oklahoma State can sit down and shut up.

There were extenuating circumstances in the OK St loss. Alabama lost at home with a week to prepare.
LSU already beat Alabama. If anyone needs to shut up and sit down its Tide fans.

[bradyfan]

BCS is stupid.

But having said that, they got it right. Oklahoma State lost to Iowa State. Alabama lost to LSU. So Oklahoma State can sit down and shut up.

There were extenuating circumstances in the OK St loss. Alabama lost at home with a week to prepare.
LSU already beat Alabama. If anyone needs to shut up and sit down its Tide fans.

The Patriots went undefeated and beat the Giants during the regular season a few years ago. Yet, the Giants beat them in the Super Bowl the same year. LSU beating Bama previously doesn't mean anything.

[thepostman]

they went through a playoff....just sayin

[bradyfan]

they went through a playoff....just sayin

Ohhhh, sorry. I guess it's not acceptable for rematches if there is no playoff but it's okay if there is one? Who cares? Giants got to the Super Bowl based on the NFL standards. Alabama got to the championship based on other standards. You're never going to get a "true on-the-field champion" from any college sport. There are so many teams that, no matter what, some team will be left out by a judgment call. The reason that college football is the way it is, is because it A. produces more money and B. keeps players from getting seriously hurt. Football is the roughest sport out of all other major college sport. At the FBS level everyone is faster, stronger...etc. Even if there is a playoff, you're never going to have more than 16 teams. I would highly doubt that it ever goes above 8. So, go ahead and have your playoff system, but you will still never accomplish the goal of determining the champion, on the field.

[thepostman]

do you not read? I couldn't care less about this game either way. I am on nobody's side except the anti-bcs side

It wouldn't of mattered if Ok St made it to the championship game or not, I would not watch. Its been this way for 10 years now for me.

There are also arguments for everything you said in your posts. There are no definitive viewpoint...

[alabama24]

There were extenuating circumstances in the OK St loss.

Which circumstances were those?

Alabama lost at home with a week to prepare.

LSU had the week off as well.

LSU already beat Alabama.

BAMA's stats were better than LSU. Any one of four field goals would have won it for BAMA. There was a questionable TD call which could have won it for BAMA. LSU played a great game and deserved to win, but it could have gone the other way. If that had happened, LSU would have deserved to be in the Championship game with one loss too.

If anyone needs to shut up and sit down its Tide fans.

After BAMA lost to LSU, I thought that Stanford, OKST, Oregon, and Boise State all deserved a shot. They all blew it. They have no one to blame but themselves.

I think someone has been in the Haize too long.

[NotAJerry]

Outside of the year Auburn didn't get in (because I would agree with you on that one), provide one example of where the BCS didn't pair up 1 vs 2.

2001 -- One loss Florida State played undefeated Oklahoma in the BCS Championship game.

This, despite the fact that Florida State had been defeated by Miami (ranked #2 in both human polls AP and ESPN/USA Today) who also had only one loss and was the Big East Champion.

Miami's one loss was to one loss Pac-10 Champ Washington who also had the most legit claim to be in the BCS Championship Game. FSU went on to lose to Oklahoma while Miami and Washington handily won their bowl games.

2002 -- Nebraska picked for BCS Championship game despite losing to Big 12 Champ Colorado (who had 2 losses) in last game of regular season 62-36. One loss Oregon was consensus #2 in human polls; also left out. Nebraska lost to Miami 37-14; Oregon beat Colorado in Fiesta Bowl 38-16.

2004 -- Oklahoma, LSU and USC all finished the season with one loss. (There were no undefeated Div I-A teams). However, Oklahoma lost to Kansas State 35-7 in the Big 12 Championship game. Yet, Oklahoma was still picked for the BCS Championship game to face SEC Champ LSU. LSU won the game 21-14. USC was left out of the BCS Championship game despite having finished the season ranked #1 in both human polls. USC beat Michigan in the Rose Bowl and kept it–s #1 ranking in the AP. So, at the end of the season, there was a BCS Champ LSU and an AP #1 USC. So, effectively a split, undecided National Champion.

2005 -- It wasn't just Auburn getting screwed this time. 5 teams finished the season undefeated. Auburn, Utah, Boise State, USC and Oklahoma. USC and Oklahoma were picked for the BCS Championship Game. USC won and was named BCS Champ. However, Auburn and Utah also won their bowl games leaving us with 3 undefeated teams at the end of the season. Auburn, in particular, was screwed because it probably had the toughest schedule of the 5 undefeated teams. [The 2004-2005 fiasco led the BCS to increase the importance of strength of schedule in its selection process and rankings.]

2007 -- Florida and Michigan both finished the season with one loss. Florida was picked to play Ohio State in the BCS Championship Game – and won. Boise State went undefeated in the regular season and beat Oklahoma in the Fiesta Bowl in an amazing 43-42 overtime win. So, only Boise State finished the season undefeated; yet it didn–t even play for the National Championship.

2008 -- This was the craziest year of all and resulted in a 2 loss team (LSU) being selected for the BCS Championship Game. It turned out to be the right pick as LSU crushed Ohio State to win the National Championship. But, the point is, either Oklahoma or Virginia Tech could easily have been picked over LSU for that game. And, LSU never would have had its shot.

2009 -- Oklahoma picked for BCS Championship Game despite having one loss to Texas who also had only one loss (to Texas Tech). Florida beat Oklahoma in the BCS Championship game. Further controversy involved Utah going undefeated (including beating Alabama in the Sugar Bowl) and being left out of the BCS Championship game. Then there was Boise State which was ranked in the top 10 in the BCS standings, but was totally left out of any BCS bowl even though it undefeated in the regular season (lost to TCU in Poinsettia Bowl).

2010 -- Alabama and Texas both were undefeated conference champs and faced off in the BCS Championship Game with Alabama winning. So far, so good. Problem was that three other teams also went undefeated in the regular season and were shut out. Boise State, TCU and Cincinnati all had legit gripes. Cincy got crushed by Florida in the Sugar Bowl; so much for them. But, Boise and TCU ended up facing each other in the Fiesta Bowl; denying both of them a shot at a major conference champ. Boise won that game and ended up, along with Alabama, as the two undefeated major college football teams.

2011 -- TCU gets left out of the NC game despite being undefeated. They win the Rose Bowl and finish 13-0. Somehow, Auburn in the NC despite another undefeated team just sitting there staring everybody in the face without a chance to earn a NC on the field.

That's actually 9 legitimate instances where there is no way to claim that the top 2 teams played for the BCS "Championship." Adding in this year, where OSU is clearly the more deserving team for the NC game and that's as many as 10 times where the BCS was at least highly questionable.

[Purple Haize]

Wow Bama a bit touchy there. Yes LSU had the week off too. I was just saying that 'Bama had a week to prepare.
Perhaps you didn't hear about the fatal plane that happened less than 24 hrs prior to kick off, and its not like they got blown out
Alabama lost the most important stat: The Final score.
I agree about Stanford Oregon and Boise St blew there chances.
Had Alabama beaten LSU I don't think that they should play again either.
If Bama wins they should declare Co Champs because they are 1-1 on the season.

[bradyfan]

Ah, but what if Alabama and LSU were in different conferences and didn't play each other? They both would have been undefeated. Would you still put Oklahoma State ahead of Bama in that scenario?

[jbock13]

Look, all of you Oklahoma State homers out there, just admit your real desire that you just don't want to see a LSU-Alabama rematch.

Because we all don't. But if we're going to be honest who the two best teams are, it's clearly LSU and Alabama.

[NotAJerry]

Ah, but what if Alabama and LSU were in different conferences and didn't play each other? They both would have been undefeated. Would you still put Oklahoma State ahead of Bama in that scenario?

What if Tebow still played for Florida? They'd win every game by eleventy-million points!

Way to immediately avoid reality when there is literally nothing to support your position.

[Purple Haize]

Ah, but what if Alabama and LSU were in different conferences and didn't play each other? They both would have been undefeated. Would you still put Oklahoma State ahead of Bama in that scenario?

But Alabama is NOT undefeated. They already lost to the team they are playing

Good effort though.

[bradyfan]

Ah, but what if Alabama and LSU were in different conferences and didn't play each other? They both would have been undefeated. Would you still put Oklahoma State ahead of Bama in that scenario?

But Alabama is NOT undefeated. They already lost to the team they are playing

Good effort though.

Neither is Oklahoma St and they lost to a team worse than LSU.

Ah, but what if Alabama and LSU were in different conferences and didn't play each other? They both would have been undefeated. Would you still put Oklahoma State ahead of Bama in that scenario?

What if Tebow still played for Florida? They'd win every game by eleventy-million points!

Way to immediately avoid reality when there is literally nothing to support your position.

Um, I've addressed my position with evidence on several occasions. Just because I propose an arugment using solely logic does not mean that "I'm avoiding reality with nothing to support my position." You should really take some anger management courses or something. You seem a little edgy.

[Purple Haize]

But they didn't lose to the team they are playing in the bowl and there can be a special case made for Ok St loss

[jbock13]

Yeah what is up with NotAJerry's absolute rash intolerance of anyone who dares to have a differing opinion?

[alabama24]

Perhaps you didn't hear about the fatal plane that happened less than 24 hrs prior to kick off

What was the relationship of the crash victims to the football players?

[Purple Haize]

Seriously? Yeah I'm sure if the same thing happened here we wouldn't care at all. It's safe to say that the players were somewhat distracted by the deaths within their community.
Or to put it practically
LSU is the only undefeated team.
Of the 1 loss teams, did LSU beat any of them? Yes Bama.
Of the other 1 loss teams which is the best? Oklahoma State Stanford Boise St
So sine LSU already beat one 1 loss team, they should face the next one, and in this case it's Ok St.

[bradyfan]

Seriously? Yeah I'm sure if the same thing happened here we wouldn't care at all. It's safe to say that the players were somewhat distracted by the deaths within their community.
Or to put it practically
LSU is the only undefeated team.
Of the 1 loss teams, did LSU beat any of them? Yes Bama.
Of the other 1 loss teams which is the best? Oklahoma State Stanford Boise St
So sine LSU already beat one 1 loss team, they should face the next one, and in this case it's Ok St.

So, because LSU and Bama are in the same conference, there shouldn't be a rematch? I get what you are saying but if you watched that game, the only reason LSU won is because one team had to win. It wasn't even because LSU was flat out better than Bama. Also, the BCS nor any post-season determinance (that's not a word but you get the point) are obligated to judge teams based on off-field circumstances. I'm sure kids from Alabama have been through just as many emotional challenges as Oklahoma St. Like I've said, and maybe this is mean but, I adopt a no-excuse policy when it comes to losing against bad teams. LSU and Bama are practically even in terms of coaching and talent...Oklahoma St on the other hand has a nice offense.

[01LUGrad]

I, for one, can't wait to see another FG shank-fest by Alabama.

My prediction- 5-2 LSU
It's going to be awesomeness.


Oh, and wasn't this thread about NCAA realignment?

[bradyfan]

I, for one, can't wait to see another FG shank-fest by Alabama.

My prediction- 5-2 LSU
It's going to be awesomeness.


Oh, and wasn't this thread about NCAA realignment?

I've come to accept that the title of threads around here mean virtually nothing. Some of that probably has to do with me haha.

[alabama24]

Seriously? Yeah I'm sure if the same thing happened here we wouldn't care at all. It's safe to say that the players were somewhat distracted by the deaths within their community.

I don't mean any disrespect. I am sure that it was a distraction, even if the players didn't know the coaches personally. (It was probably more of a distraction to the coaches). I believe, however, that it is disrespectful to Iowa State to say that the only reason they won was because of the crash. Take a look at Iowa St's schedule & results. I think OKST was overconfident going into the game to begin with. My 2 cents.

[NotAJerry]

Perhaps you didn't hear about the fatal plane that happened less than 24 hrs prior to kick off

What was the relationship of the crash victims to the football players?

2nd plane crash death involving the hoops program at a school in a small college town only weeks after a memorial regarding the 1st crash and you ask this question?