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Sly Fox wrote:You are making an argument for staying where we are. Now that the Big South has an auto bid, we have an easier path to the playoffs. The SoCon doesn't regularly get multiple at large bids anymore.The Big South doesn't do anything for us. The SoCon gets us into a larger footprint to give the program more exposure which should help recruiting. It gets us into a stronger selling point to recruits because of the quality of the conference. It gets us into a legitimate conference with the reputation which will be more likely to pull in a 3rd or 4th bid, when the playoffs expand to 24, than the Big South is likely to pull in a 2nd bid.
BJWilliams wrote:I think youre missing a key point Sly is making...if App State and/or Georgia Southern leaves the SoCon, it loses much of its luster as an elite conference and at that point, its about on par with the Big South considering what would be leftNo its not. Even without GSU or ASU the Socon is still better than the Big South in football. And it's not debatable.
El Scorcho wrote:post at your own risk.
ALUmnus wrote:Period, end of discussion, Beejay!If you want to argue the Big South is better than the Socon then help yourself...
El Scorcho wrote:post at your own risk.
PAmedic wrote:you're absolutely right
Sly Fox wrote:I'm with you. If we can manage to land somewhere in FBS in this go around, by the time the next one arrives we will likely be a considerably larger school and be a more attractive get.I thought you were going to keep counting.... There is nothing wrong with the General Mills Ceral Bowl where they play for the Captn Crunch Trophy!
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jcmanson wrote:+1 manson.BJWilliams wrote:I think youre missing a key point Sly is making...if App State and/or Georgia Southern leaves the SoCon, it loses much of its luster as an elite conference and at that point, its about on par with the Big South considering what would be leftNo its not. Even without GSU or ASU the Socon is still better than the Big South in football. And it's not debatable.
Sly Fox wrote:Haize, the playoffs are money losers too. So I guess we would be wise to follow Ivy & SWAC leads of just stopping at the end of the regular season, right?If we did that, I'm sure Haize would find a way to sarcastically mock it too
Gene DeFilippo backpedaled quickly — an old quarterback executing one more scramble — after suggesting last month that one of the most stunning shifts in the recent wave of realignment in college sports had been scripted by ESPN.DeFilippo said this weeks ago and it is finally getting a little play in the media. I'm surprised a news outlet finally thought it was a big deal.
The Boston College athletics director apologized, saying he'd misspoken when he told The Boston Globe that the cable television titan "told us what to do" before the Atlantic Coast Conference chose Pittsburgh and Syracuse as new members, plundering the neighboring Big East.
His retreat did little to quell conspiracy theories. Questions continue to bubble about whether ESPN — the 32-year-old network that has become a defining force in sports and the culture around them — has been a key behind-the-scenes player at a time of high-profile realignment in college sports. Fueled largely by schools seeking more money and security in their conference arrangements, the scramble has touched at least a half-dozen leagues and threatened several traditional rivalries.
The Big East Conference will invite Boise State, Navy and Air Force for football only and SMU, Houston and Central Florida for all sports, a source with knowledge of the situation told The Associated Press.And the fun continues
PAmedic wrote:you're absolutely right
LUconn wrote:Font page of USA Today (not the front of the sports page, the whole thing)So...I guess maybe the NCAA is right about money in amateur sports?
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/ ... 51019966/1
Gene DeFilippo backpedaled quickly — an old quarterback executing one more scramble — after suggesting last month that one of the most stunning shifts in the recent wave of realignment in college sports had been scripted by ESPN.DeFilippo said this weeks ago and it is finally getting a little play in the media. I'm surprised a news outlet finally thought it was a big deal.
The Boston College athletics director apologized, saying he'd misspoken when he told The Boston Globe that the cable television titan "told us what to do" before the Atlantic Coast Conference chose Pittsburgh and Syracuse as new members, plundering the neighboring Big East.
His retreat did little to quell conspiracy theories. Questions continue to bubble about whether ESPN — the 32-year-old network that has become a defining force in sports and the culture around them — has been a key behind-the-scenes player at a time of high-profile realignment in college sports. Fueled largely by schools seeking more money and security in their conference arrangements, the scramble has touched at least a half-dozen leagues and threatened several traditional rivalries.
From the class of 09 wrote:Don't we already end our season that way?Sly Fox wrote:Haize, the playoffs are money losers too. So I guess we would be wise to follow Ivy & SWAC leads of just stopping at the end of the regular season, right?If we did that, I'm sure Haize would find a way to sarcastically mock it too
Seriously, that didn't even take any effort!Purple Haize wrote:I'm not sure I'd want to be messing with a bowel systemFrom the class of 09 wrote:Don't we already end our season that way?Sly Fox wrote:Haize, the playoffs are money losers too. So I guess we would be wise to follow Ivy & SWAC leads of just stopping at the end of the regular season, right?If we did that, I'm sure Haize would find a way to sarcastically mock it too
Oh I Know that the FCS playoffs aren't a big money maker. Just trying to keep it on an even keel. However, if we had a home play off game we'd make money. Now if the current BCS had a hybrid playoff / bowel system THAT would be fun!
PAmedic wrote:you're absolutely right
Of course, BYU has a strong fan base and they travel well. Perhaps that is enoughSounds familiar. Except for the strong fan base that travels well part.
for some. Let me suggest that there is another side to this story, and it stems from
the fact that BYU is not a traditional university. The sports teams at BYU exist
primarily to draw attention to the Mormon Church and its proselyting mission. If
BYU is interested in the Big 12, I guarantee you that it has little or nothing to do
with an automatic berth in a BCS bowl, but rather everything to do with a calculated
decision on the part of the LDS Church hierarchy to generate more exposure, and
hence more interest, in Mormonism. I’m not sure if the Big 12 really wants to be a
platform for promoting the Mormon religion around this part of the country, but I do
know that the relentless proselyting will not wear well with fans at OU and other
conference communities. If you discount this prediction, I suggest you contact
athletic directors at schools that routinely play BYU and ask them what their patrons
think of BYU and its fan base.
What then, of the Big 12? I believe that OU should look to the future and embrace
it by migrating – as part of a package with other Big 12 schools, to the PAC 12,
making it the PAC 16. The PAC 12 is a great conference comprised of strong,
research I institutions of the type that appeal to President Boren and the academic
units of the university. I realize that the Big 12 is an athletic conference, but the
University of Oklahoma would only benefit from association with outstanding
universities such as California-Berkeley, Stanford, UCLA, and Washington. As an
aside, it is worth noting that the PAC 10 repeatedly rejected overtures from BYU and
most recently passed them over when inviting the University of Utah. Why?
Because BYU is not an institution driven by research, open inquiry, and academic
freedom. Their graduate programs are limited, especially in the social sciences and
humanities, for the obvious reason that the Mormon Church leadership does not
want to promote competing belief systems. One has to ask, if BYU was not an
attractive enough for the PAC 10, why is it good enough for the Big 12?
From the class of 09 wrote: Also as Lib continues to build it's own name instead of just being that school that Jerry founded it will be a positive.Based on the commercials I've been hearing on XM recently, I'm not so sure the name we're building is any better. But I guess we don't want to poke the cash cow.
LUconn wrote:The cash cow is catching on ... you have to wonder how much change it will bring. For all Colleges?From the class of 09 wrote: Also as Lib continues to build it's own name instead of just being that school that Jerry founded it will be a positive.Based on the commercials I've been hearing on XM recently, I'm not so sure the name we're building is any better. But I guess we don't want to poke the cash cow.
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