[LUconn]

Winless and dropping a 13 point lead in the last few minutes to Tebow? C'mon, Luck knows what's going on.

You're suggesting they did that on purpose? roffles. Do you know what kind of effort that would take and all of the ultra competitive people who would have to agree to that not to mention all of the people who would look bad who are trying to look good for their next job? Is it that hard to believe that they just suck?

[Sly Fox]

While I am loving the board acknowledging all the Texans being discussed (which is nearly every name in the thread), I'm not enjoying the banging on Case. While I agree that he is not in Luck's stratosphere, he's is not the dog many in this thread seem to describe.

I'll agree that his stats are completely padded by his system and C-USA defenses. But that doesn't discount the abilities that he has to sling it as well as he does. And comparing slow-footed and dead-armed Kliff Kingsbury to Case is a travesty. Case is intuitive and read's defenses better tha just about any QB I've watched over the years. He doesn't have quite the cannon of Kevin Kolb but he is the best total QB to come through UH in the quarter century I've been following the Coogs.

Luck has bloodlines ... developed his skills in QB mecca Texas ... and may be one of the smartest college athletes on any college campus regardless of sport or division. I realize there is no such thing as a sure thing. But he is as close to one as we have seen in a long time. Even Peyton had questions about him coming out of Knoxville. Can anyone find a question to ask about Luck?

[Schfourteenteen]

Why are you not a winner, like Tim Tebow?

[bradyfan]

Winless and dropping a 13 point lead in the last few minutes to Tebow? C'mon, Luck knows what's going on.

You're suggesting they did that on purpose? roffles. Do you know what kind of effort that would take and all of the ultra competitive people who would have to agree to that not to mention all of the people who would look bad who are trying to look good for their next job? Is it that hard to believe that they just suck?

Yes, I know what type of effort that took and I saw them put in that type of effort. Patrick Ramsey could come in to Denver and do better than Tim Tebow. He's absolutely horrible. I've watched Miami and I've looked at their roster, they aren't a horrible team. They just don't have a quarterback and I don't think it would be that complicated to get 40 some guys to agree to lose if they're going to get a franchise quarterback. Do you honestly think those guys would prefer to keep playing with Chad Henne over Andrew Luck? Nope.

Second of all, you guys still aren't getting it. I'm not talking about who is the actual better quarterback. Please read all of this rather than one sentence and posting like I said something that I didn't. I know that Luck is better than Case Keenum. I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about the hype and its impact on Andrew Luck. How will he handle being so hyped up that he's expected to just turn a franchise around on a dime? He's expected to be the next Manning, Brady, Elway or Young. You're telling someone who's just a kid that they're supposed to live up to the expectation of being one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time. My point is that even if he has all the perfect mechanics, would you agree that his ability to be great could be limited by the hype he is receiving? If you don't think teams are losing for this kid, you're delusional. I'm sorry but Peyton Manning being injured isn't the difference between an 11-5 team and a winless team that loses 62-7. As bad as Chad Henne is, he isn't the reason Miami's defense stopped playing to let Tebow come back on them. These teams have no interest in winning. That puts a ton of pressure on someone who is just a kid. I brought up Case Keenum because he is putting up insane numbers and he isn't being hyped at all. Generally, quarterbacks who aren't being hyped out of college, are the one's who end up being great. Tom Brady, Drew Brees, Phillip Rivers...etc. On the contrary, look at the quarterbacks who have been hyped that have been absolutely horrible: Matt Leihnart, Alex Smith, Tavaris Jackson, JaMarcis Russel, Brady Quinn, Vince Young, Rex Grossman, Kyle Boller, David Carr and the list goes on. However, look at these quarterbacks who didn't receive hype: Aaron Rodgers, Matt Cassel, Matt Schaub, Drew Brees, Marc Bulger, Tom Brady, Matt Hasselbeck, Kordell Stewart. See a trend? Yes, there are the Peyton Manning's and Michael Vick's who live up to the hype but even the hype that they received can't be compared to the hype that Andrew Luck is receiving.

[LUconn]

It's not about if they'd rather play with Henne or Luck. It's about all of the guys that possibly won't even be on the roster or coaching staff next year. They are fighting for their lives and futures with anybody. And the rest of the guys that are good enough to not even worry about that didn't get to their elite status by rolling over. Not to mention stat based salary bonuses. I would bet you could only find a handful of guys throughout the entire NFL that would be willing to do that. Remember Herm Edwards? YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAME. It's not some catch phrase.

[ToTheLeft]

Second of all, you guys still aren't getting it. I'm not talking about who is the actual better quarterback. Please read all of this rather than one sentence and posting like I said something that I didn't.

You said Keenum's stats are much better than Brennan's, and that was the basis of your argument for him being more than just another system QB.

That was incorrect. So yes, it was just one sentence, but it was incorrect, and it was an assumption you based other thoughts on. Your thoughts were that Keenum was doing something no one had done before. Brennan did it just a few years ago.

So basically, you DID say it. No one put words in your mouth. You were just wrong.

[Purple Haize]

Dont forget Akili Smith!
Also, when Manning came out there was debate about who would be a better pro QB between him or Ryan Leaf. There is no such debate now. So if he is a stone cold lock, and you need a QB the answer is Yes

[RubberMallet]

Winless and dropping a 13 point lead in the last few minutes to Tebow? C'mon, Luck knows what's going on.

You're suggesting they did that on purpose? roffles. Do you know what kind of effort that would take and all of the ultra competitive people who would have to agree to that not to mention all of the people who would look bad who are trying to look good for their next job? Is it that hard to believe that they just suck?

Yes, I know what type of effort that took and I saw them put in that type of effort. Patrick Ramsey could come in to Denver and do better than Tim Tebow. He's absolutely horrible. I've watched Miami and I've looked at their roster, they aren't a horrible team. They just don't have a quarterback and I don't think it would be that complicated to get 40 some guys to agree to lose if they're going to get a franchise quarterback. Do you honestly think those guys would prefer to keep playing with Chad Henne over Andrew Luck? Nope.

Second of all, you guys still aren't getting it. I'm not talking about who is the actual better quarterback. Please read all of this rather than one sentence and posting like I said something that I didn't. I know that Luck is better than Case Keenum. I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about the hype and its impact on Andrew Luck. How will he handle being so hyped up that he's expected to just turn a franchise around on a dime? He's expected to be the next Manning, Brady, Elway or Young. You're telling someone who's just a kid that they're supposed to live up to the expectation of being one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time. My point is that even if he has all the perfect mechanics, would you agree that his ability to be great could be limited by the hype he is receiving? If you don't think teams are losing for this kid, you're delusional. I'm sorry but Peyton Manning being injured isn't the difference between an 11-5 team and a winless team that loses 62-7. As bad as Chad Henne is, he isn't the reason Miami's defense stopped playing to let Tebow come back on them. These teams have no interest in winning. That puts a ton of pressure on someone who is just a kid. I brought up Case Keenum because he is putting up insane numbers and he isn't being hyped at all. Generally, quarterbacks who aren't being hyped out of college, are the one's who end up being great. Tom Brady, Drew Brees, Phillip Rivers...etc. On the contrary, look at the quarterbacks who have been hyped that have been absolutely horrible: Matt Leihnart, Alex Smith, Tavaris Jackson, JaMarcis Russel, Brady Quinn, Vince Young, Rex Grossman, Kyle Boller, David Carr and the list goes on. However, look at these quarterbacks who didn't receive hype: Aaron Rodgers, Matt Cassel, Matt Schaub, Drew Brees, Marc Bulger, Tom Brady, Matt Hasselbeck, Kordell Stewart. See a trend? Yes, there are the Peyton Manning's and Michael Vick's who live up to the hype but even the hype that they received can't be compared to the hype that Andrew Luck is receiving.

there are plenty of qb's hyped that make it too. and plenty of unhyped ones that fail. who cares. those guys in red were in now way hyped as much as luck. why? because of obvious glaring flaws in their abilities that were pointed out time and time again BEFORE they were drafted. and because luck doesn't really have any. thats what you aren't getting

manning got just as much hype. you apparently just don't either remember or have no idea what you are talking about.

kordell stewart and marc bulger???? yeah what a steal! lol.

all of those guys listed by the way? came from big conferences. dominating barber schools and technical colleges doesn't impress nfl scouts.

[lynchburgwildcats]

Generally, tanking for a pick in the NFL is fairly illogical unless you can get a player who is as close as you can get to a guaranteed super stud that can be a long-term franchise changer (think Peyton Manning).

Other than that, it just doesn't make any sense generally given how little one player can make a huge impact on the win-loss column. It's not like in the NBA where a guy like LeBron, Dwight Howard, Derrick Rose, Blake Griffin, Yao Ming, Hakeem, Duncan, Shaq, etc. at #1 can add tons of win to your record all because of him. And your #1 NFL draft pick being that kind of player is far less likely than it is in the NBA, just look at the list of #1 picks all-time http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/alltimeno1

[NotAJerry]

This would be the day that RGIII finally has a bad half. Of course, he's still just a junior, so he could go back and get even more seasoning next year.

[Sly Fox]

I highly doubt it. This is his 4th year as starting QB and I can't imagine he sees much advantage in coming back for another year considering what happened to him two years ago. Get paid while you can.

Will he become 1st Japanese-born QB in NFL?

[NotAJerry]

I think he may come back if he feels the supporting cast is still getting better. If he finishes the season out well, especially if there's another huge game against a quality opponent, he may go ahead and bail after this year.

[WinthropEagleFan]

It's not about if they'd rather play with Henne or Luck. It's about all of the guys that possibly won't even be on the roster or coaching staff next year. They are fighting for their lives and futures with anybody. And the rest of the guys that are good enough to not even worry about that didn't get to their elite status by rolling over. Not to mention stat based salary bonuses. I would bet you could only find a handful of guys throughout the entire NFL that would be willing to do that. Remember Herm Edwards? YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAME. It's not some catch phrase.

Exactly...why purposely tank when it kills possible future earnings for you, and you may not even be on the team to play with Luck in the future anyways (and I doubt he's winning a Super Bowl in his first couple of years anyway, no matter how good he is....so you'd be tanking under the assumption you'll be on the same team 3+ years down the road). I'm a Dolphins fan, and if they end up getting Luck, then fine....but I'm not rooting for losses, and I don't see the guys on the team tanking.

[adam42381]

I don't think the players are actually trying to lose. I think management may put pressure on coaches to tank late in the season by giving directives about lineups and play calling. It's definitely not in the players' (or coaches') best interests to lose games.

[RubberMallet]

I think management may put pressure on coaches to tank late in the season by giving directives about lineups and play calling.

the problem with this, is luck isn't going to help that organization if it exists. that is evidence of a badly managed franchise.

[thepostman]

The Dolphins are making a good case for the whole suck for luck on purpose theory, haha

Seriously though I would love the Dolphins to get Luck. Nothing is a sure thing, but like others have said he is as close to a sure thing as there is that's for sure

[R i]

With the new rookie wage scale. Crazy things could happen in this years draft. I doubt who ever has the first pick will use it. They are more likely to trade it to bulster the rest of their roster.