[Purple Haize]

I think it's clear Romney will take the West and the Northeast. The real question is if the Heartland and the Southeast will united behind a single candidate or splinter off like it did in 08. We'll see. Politics is an art, and despite it's consequences, is fun to watch and examine.

I don't know anyone in the west that likes Romney. In fact he seems pretty much universally disliked except by the Mormons.

I have over a dozen relatives in Oregon and California and the lot of them are not Mormons andLOVE Romney

[Sly Fox]

I'm not sure what you consider the west, but I would not consider Romney a heavy favorite in many states west of the Mississippi outside of Mormon-friendly Utah & Idaho.

If anything Ron Paul's Libertarian credentials play extremely well in the Rocky Mountain region and Rick Perry's ag roots play extremely well in the breadbasket.

Frankly the longer Cain can tread water the better his chances of getting funding and taking down Romney.

[jbock13]

Romney ran pretty strong against McCain in the Western states, plus looking at polling data currently available to me.

I hate to pick this fight here. But Paul I feel doesn't have enough to win a state. He might be able to pick up a state like Wyoming. Granted, the nomination was over all but over, but Ron Paul in Montana in 08, when it came down to just Paul and McCain officially in still, Paul lost that Primary by 40 still. I'd argue that Montana is one of his strongest bases.

To jeanw, it seems nobody really likes romney, I agree, but he's leading in the polls. So clearly some people out there still like him. And yes, of course all the mormons love him.

[rueful]

I still like Romney for what its worth.

[alabama24]

I still like Romney for what its worth.

I have never considered voting for a third party candidate. If Romney wins the nomination, I will be voting further down the list on my voter card.

If a mormon candidate was honest about his faith, I would consider voting for him. Romney's not honest.

[Purple Haize]

I'm not sure what you consider the west, but I would not consider Romney a heavy favorite in many states west of the Mississippi outside of Mormon-friendly Utah & Idaho.

If anything Ron Paul's Libertarian credentials play extremely well in the Rocky Mountain region and Rick Perry's ag roots play extremely well in the breadbasket.

Frankly the longer Cain can tread water the better his chances of getting funding and taking down Romney.

You left out Nevada. LOTS of Mormons in Nevada. Heck, they "founded" Las Vegas!

[Purple Haize]

I still like Romney for what its worth.

I have never considered voting for a third party candidate. If Romney wins the nomination, I will be voting further down the list on my voter card.

If a mormon candidate was honest about his faith, I would consider voting for him. Romney's not honest.

How is he not honest about his faith? Just because he doesn't prosthelitize every opportunity doesn't make him "fake".
I am curious why you would help Obama win if Romney gets the nomination. Secondly, what difference does it make whether he is Mormon, Baptist or Catholic. We are talking about politics, not theology.

[RubberMallet]

the worldview you hold is a reflection of decisions you've made. mormonism is basically a ridiculous cult.

[jbock13]

I don't see why it would help not voting for somebody just because he's a Mormon. The fact that he's a mormon is the least of my concerns (if you hear that sound, that's the sound of all my fellow SBC brethren gasping).

I mean, in my opinion, okay, he believes differently than I do. So what? I believe his beliefs are wrong but I shouldn't judge him for that.

[LUconn]

That is exactly what you're doing when you're deciding who to vote on. You judge all of the candidates.

[Purple Haize]

the worldview you hold is a reflection of decisions you've made. mormonism is basically a ridiculous cult.

I tend to judge by people's actions. Mormons do a wonderful job of feeding the hungry and ministering in a time of need. What is ridiculous about that? I have had 2 bosses who were devote Mormons, and they were the most honest and sincere people I have EVER worked with. Do I have issues about their theology, certainly, but not how they live. In fact their ' daily beliefs ' are not so different then what LU espouses. For those who view themselves as Social Conservatives, what exactly do Mormons stand for that is immoral? Drinking? Abortion? BYU is MUCH more socially conservative then LU is at the moment. If you get by the label Morman, you will see their moral code is very similar to what you believe then not. To say a moral man should not be president because of a differing theological standing is very close minded.
Disagreement on policies is one thing when selecting a leader. Dissagreements on theology is another

[jbock13]

Agree with Haize. When I lived in Peru, the Mormons I met were the nicest, most sincere people. Not all, but most, especially overseas. We knew we didn't agree at all, but we still ate dinner and talked about our work there.

I offered to buy them coffee, but they respectfully declined

Quite frankly, a problem is that a lot of Christians act like total (well, buttholes). Not a majority, but we know who they are. Hopefully you understand what I'm saying. Like the ones who go church and then eat at a restaurant and leave a $1 tip (and a tract, of course).

[LUconn]

Let the self-deprecation begin! People groups have all sorts. Mormons in the mission field are probably going to be going to be nice and sincere just like Christians in the mission field. Priests, or whatever they call them, in Utah probably give sermons about crappy Mormon tippers just like our pastors do about us here.

[RubberMallet]

the worldview you hold is a reflection of decisions you've made. mormonism is basically a ridiculous cult.

I tend to judge by people's actions. Mormons do a wonderful job of feeding the hungry and ministering in a time of need. What is ridiculous about that? I have had 2 bosses who were devote Mormons, and they were the most honest and sincere people I have EVER worked with. Do I have issues about their theology, certainly, but not how they live. In fact their ' daily beliefs ' are not so different then what LU espouses. For those who view themselves as Social Conservatives, what exactly do Mormons stand for that is immoral? Drinking? Abortion? BYU is MUCH more socially conservative then LU is at the moment. If you get by the label Morman, you will see their moral code is very similar to what you believe then not. To say a moral man should not be president because of a differing theological standing is very close minded.
Disagreement on policies is one thing when selecting a leader. Dissagreements on theology is another

not really, i think you have to be either a complete sham of a person or the most gullible person on the planet to be a mormon. not someone i want as my president. and i know plenty of mormons as well. i know the ins and outs of the religion pretty well as my wife was born and raised around slc. my mom is one of the nicest, most sincere, most awesome person you'll ever meet too but she shouldn't be president. nevermind the guy is a terrible politician. BUT HES A NICE GUY I KNOW NICE MORMONS!!

[ALUmnus]

By the way.....

Herman Cain (like Romney), pro-choice?
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/herman-cain- ... ro-choice/

Now I realize the source and that it was a gotcha question, but his choice of wording is somewhat interesting. Seems to be leaving himself some wiggle room. I guess it's all in how you interpret it.

[Purple Haize]

RUBBER. Where do you draw the line? Pentecostals are sorta out there compared to Souther Baptists. American Baptists are really liberal, yet still called Baptists. Episcopalians? Catholics? Presbyterians? Your summation of my view is completely wrong. I think he IS a good politician, and being a moral and nice guy is a bonus!
LUCONN. We were allowed to have an intramural team @ BYU Mt Scopus. We owned them in hoops but they returned the favor in Volleyball. Think 'Meet the Fokkers".
BYD - pacifist!

[jbock13]

Rubbermallet eventually you will learn that some people just really like statism. It doesn't matter what their religion is. You just have to have a will to use the power of government to force your morals on others. It also helps to be insanely militaristic and love to drop bombs on countries.

There are statists on the left and right.

+1

[LUconn]

Well, you just rattled off a bunch of Christian denominations so you could use the grand canyon to draw a line between those and a cult.

[Sly Fox]

I am willing to entertain the concept that being duped by Mormonism shows a lack of Judgement in a potential. The more you learn about LDS the more preposterous it becomes. Since Mallet lives near Nauvoo & Carthage, I am going to assume he has been to the Joseph Smith sites as I have. The history and inner workings of the church can be best be described as silly.

All that said, that is just one of many aspects that help me determine who is the best candidate. Frankly Romney's arrogant child of privilege persona bugs me more right now along with his lousy track record when aligned with my stances.

[LUconn]

plus didn't he go on vacation with a dog on the roof of his car or something? He's like a real life Clark Griswold. Only not as awesome as that sounds.

[SumItUp]

I would vote for Clark.

[RubberMallet]

RUBBER. Where do you draw the line? Pentecostals are sorta out there compared to Souther Baptists. American Baptists are really liberal, yet still called Baptists. Episcopalians? Catholics? Presbyterians? Your summation of my view is completely wrong. I think he IS a good politician, and being a moral and nice guy is a bonus!
LUCONN. We were allowed to have an intramural team @ BYU Mt Scopus. We owned them in hoops but they returned the favor in Volleyball. Think 'Meet the Fokkers".
BYD - pacifist!

hes a good politician in that he's a complete asshat, i agree. i draw the line at the book of abraham, not a lick of archeological or historical evidence, and polythesim.

[RubberMallet]

Nauvoo & Carthage,

don't even get me started on these silly places.

i used to call on a hardware store in carthage back in the day.

he said he always has mormons who come to see the jail he was supposedly killed in (it wasn't the jail in carthage, it was in one up the road but the mormons won't admit it for no reason in particular) he said they go "where is the carthage jail?" and he responds "YOU MEAN THE PLACE THEY KILLED THAT CROOK?"

he was a funny angry man.

the temple is navoo is pretty amazing. but i'm not allowed int here

[jbock13]

Rubbermallet eventually you will learn that some people just really like statism. It doesn't matter what their religion is. You just have to have a will to use the power of government to force your morals on others. It also helps to be insanely militaristic and love to drop bombs on countries.

There are statists on the left and right.

+1

But you don't support Ron Paul. Derrrrrr

You should probably go back and read what I've wrote. For the most part I'm with him. It's the supporter aspect that irritates me. Oh and his conspiracy theories.

But, you probably already knew that and just wanted to whip me up into a frenzy

[jbock13]

Just being one of those obnoxious Paul supporters...

I can tolerate you BYD.