[Sly Fox]

Charleston Southern University
Charleston, South Carolina


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Buccaneer Field
Built in 1970 - Seats 4000




Jay Mills
9th Season as CSU Head Coach


2011 Schedule/Results

• Overall ... 0-6
  Road ...... 0-1
  
  Sep 03 - @ UCF ............................................. 0-62 L
  Sep 10 - @ Florida State ................................ 10-62 L
  Sep 17 - @ Jacksonville .................................. 30-37 L
  Sep 24 - Norfolk State ..................................... 3-33 L
  Oct 01 - Wesley College .................................. 20-32 L
  Oct 15 - @ VMI ............................................. 17-21 L
  Oct 22 - Liberty ............................................. 1:30 p.m.
  Oct 29 - @ Gardner-Webb*
  Nov 05 - Stony Brook*
  Nov 12 - Coastal Carolina*
  Nov 19 - @ Presbyterian*

[BJWilliams]

Ive said this before and it bears repeating...this is a very important game for us. We are coming off two dominant victories. We cannot underestimate this game. That is what happened against Presby in 08, Stony Brook in 09 and Coastal last year. We need to take this 0-6 CSU team as seriously as we took a 4-1 Coastal team this past week, and then leave no doubt from the firstt kickoff to the final horn.

[coastalalum]

my goodness, i remember running on that track in the early 90s. the place looks just as depressing now as it did then. csu will be lucky to win a game this year.

[jbock13]

They always say to never underestimate your opponant. Clearly, they've never played Chucky South.

While its not a trap game, it could be closer than i'd like. Hopefully our players will be focused. They almost got us last time we played there.

That and I love how Sly used the picture of their Soccer stadium in its worst condition. Yeah, they used their soccer stadium for football

[bradyfan]

I think people are forgetting that we still outscored Coastal in the second half 21-20, when we didn't care anymore. I usually hate being a homer but honestly I don't see this as being a trap game. I think it's foolish to compare this game to the CCU game from last year. Coastal is a different team than Charleston Southern. Charleston Southern lost to Wesley College...basically they lost to Kentucky Wesleyan. I agree that we shouldn't underestimate an opponent but you have give the Flames more credit than that.

I predicted the score to be 35-14, which is closer than I would like. However, I did that because I know we won't care about that game and the second string will get the majority of the playing time. Bottom line though is that as long as we win from here on out, we'll be in playoffs. Doesn't matter if it's pretty or not, so even if this one is close, not a big deal.

If you're looking for a trap game outside of Stony Brook, I would look at VMI or Presby. I actually thought Presby would be a lot better than they are. They seem to have a talented team, just can't put wins together.

[ToTheLeft]

Charleston Southern lost to Wesley College...basically they lost to Kentucky Wesleyan.

Sorry, but I have to correct you here.

Wesley College is a top 10 DIII program. KWU is one of the worst DII's. Wesley College would probably beat any of the bottom 25-30 FCS teams. KWU probably loses by 30 to CSU.

[ToTheLeft]

Just to provide some facts...

Wesley College-

Reached the DIII Semis 4 of the last 6 years.

Made the DIII playoffs all of the last 6 years.

Have swept their conference 5 years straight, 6 time defending conference champs.

All-time program winning percentage of just under 70%.

(AKA, nothing like Kentucky Wesleyan)

[bradyfan]

Charleston Southern lost to Wesley College...basically they lost to Kentucky Wesleyan.

Sorry, but I have to correct you here.

Wesley College is a top 10 DIII program. KWU is one of the worst DII's. Wesley College would probably beat any of the bottom 25-30 FCS teams. KWU probably loses by 30 to CSU.

I really don't care if they are a top 10 DIII program. Unless they're Wisconsin Whitewater, I really don't want to hear it. There's a no excuse policy for losing to a school two divisions below you. Wesley may be a really good DIII school but you can't tell me that if you're bad enough to lose to them, you're good enough to beat Liberty.

[bradyfan]

Just to provide some facts...

Wesley College-

Reached the DIII Semis 4 of the last 6 years.

Made the DIII playoffs all of the last 6 years.

Have swept their conference 5 years straight, 6 time defending conference champs.

All-time program winning percentage of just under 70%.

(AKA, nothing like Kentucky Wesleyan)

Yeah, well if you know anything about DIII football, the basic rule is that 200 schools don't care and about 20 do. So, if you're making the playoffs in DIII it's kind of cool but that major of an accomplishment.

[ToTheLeft]

They ARE Wisconsin Whitewater. That's what I'm trying to say.

And KWU was absolutely terrible.

And where on earth did you begin to think that I implied CSU could beat us? Neither Wesley College nor CSU can beat us this season. If either did, we'd need to get the coach search committee ready in a hurry.

[ToTheLeft]

Just to provide some facts...

Wesley College-

Reached the DIII Semis 4 of the last 6 years.

Made the DIII playoffs all of the last 6 years.

Have swept their conference 5 years straight, 6 time defending conference champs.

All-time program winning percentage of just under 70%.

(AKA, nothing like Kentucky Wesleyan)

Yeah, well if you know anything about DIII football, the basic rule is that 200 schools don't care and about 20 do. So, if you're making the playoffs in DIII it's kind of cool but that major of an accomplishment.

Making the semi's is a big deal. They've done it 4 out of 6 years. Mt Union and Wisc. WW are tier 1a, Wesley is tier 1b.

[ToTheLeft]

This is a stupid argument, anyways. Just thought your statement was unfair to Wesley. KWU is really, really bad. Wesley would win 10 out of 10 games against KWU. I'd say CSU has little to be ashamed about, because, as you said, some schools care and some don't. Clearly, CSU's admin don't care about football, look at the picture in the first post. CSU football is an uphill battle. I think they've hit rock bottom at this point. Wesley, on the other hand, does care. Quite a bit.

[bradyfan]

Just to provide some facts...

Wesley College-

Reached the DIII Semis 4 of the last 6 years.

Made the DIII playoffs all of the last 6 years.

Have swept their conference 5 years straight, 6 time defending conference champs.

All-time program winning percentage of just under 70%.

(AKA, nothing like Kentucky Wesleyan)

Yeah, well if you know anything about DIII football, the basic rule is that 200 schools don't care and about 20 do. So, if you're making the playoffs in DIII it's kind of cool but that major of an accomplishment.

Making the semi's is a big deal. They've done it 4 out of 6 years. Mt Union and Wisc. WW are tier 1a, Wesley is tier 1b.

Well, nice job refuting your own point about them being Wisconsin White Water. They're not Wisc. WW. WhiteWater has been apart of the past six national championships and they've won three of them, as has Mt. Union. Making the best 4 of 20 teams that care for that many years means that you're good, but I think you're stretching by saying that they could beat 25-30 FCS teams. On the other hand, I'm really not going to sit here and debate DIII football. Although, I am quite grateful to finally find someone who follows DIII football as closely as I do.

[ToTheLeft]

Wesley could beat any Pioneer league team. They could beat most lower level SWAC and MEAC teams. They could beat VMI, CSU, and G-W. They could beat the worst of the NEC. They could beat the worst of the Patriot. They could beat the worst of the Ivy. They could beat Idaho State. They could beat Rhode Island.

I think I'm at about 25?

[bradyfan]

Wesley could beat any Pioneer league team. They could beat most lower level SWAC and MEAC teams. They could beat VMI, CSU, and G-W. They could beat the worst of the NEC. They could beat the worst of the Patriot. They could beat the worst of the Ivy. They could beat Idaho State. They could beat Rhode Island.

I think I'm at about 25?

They could beat Texas, Florida, Michigan, Virginia Tech, Alabama, LSU. I guess based on that they could beat those teams too. So, yeah man they're really good.

[ToTheLeft]

Wesley could beat any Pioneer league team. They could beat most lower level SWAC and MEAC teams. They could beat VMI, CSU, and G-W. They could beat the worst of the NEC. They could beat the worst of the Patriot. They could beat the worst of the Ivy. They could beat Idaho State. They could beat Rhode Island.

I think I'm at about 25?

They could beat Texas, Florida, Michigan, Virginia Tech, Alabama, LSU. I guess based on that they could beat those teams too. So, yeah man they're really good.

Thanks for ruining any kind of respectable debate we were having.

And I'm sorry if you feel Campbell and St. Francis are anything like Bama and LSU.

[bradyfan]

Wesley could beat any Pioneer league team. They could beat most lower level SWAC and MEAC teams. They could beat VMI, CSU, and G-W. They could beat the worst of the NEC. They could beat the worst of the Patriot. They could beat the worst of the Ivy. They could beat Idaho State. They could beat Rhode Island.

I think I'm at about 25?

They could beat Texas, Florida, Michigan, Virginia Tech, Alabama, LSU. I guess based on that they could beat those teams too. So, yeah man they're really good.

Thanks for ruining any kind of respectable debate we were having.

And I'm sorry if you feel Campbell and St. Francis are anything like Bama and LSU.

I don't feel that way. I just pointed out your lack of evidence. All you said was that "they could beat..." and then based on that, I'm supposed to believe it's true? You don't know they could beat them, just as much as you don't know if they could beat Texas or any of the schools I mentioned.

[ToTheLeft]

Well, they beat CSU. CSU, despite their lack of wins this season, was competitive against Jacksonville and VMI. CSU, despite their lack of wins, has in the past, and will in the future, beat FCS opponents.

Wesley College DOMINATED CSU from kickoff to post game. They outgained and outplayed the Bucs, to a greater extent than Jacksonville or VMI did.

Jacksonville is the best team in the Pioneer league. They were unable to compete with CSU the same way Wesley was.

In '09, Wesley dominated DII North Greenville, NGU would turn around and beat Presby the next season.

Wesley is now 2 of 3 against FCS schools, the other win coming over Iona in 2008, which is far, far less impressive than beating CSU, I'll admit, but still. DIII over DI is far from unprecedented, you can look thru the Pioneer league and see tons of DIII upsets. Albion has beaten Butler, Franklin has beaten Valpo. I think you'll admit Albion and Franklin aren't exactly DIII's that "care".

[BJWilliams]

My point in saying what I said is that this is usually where the "WTF" games have come on the scene. We come off a dominating victory, then go into the next game against an opponent who should be "hopelessly overmatched". (I guess last year Id more consider the RMU game a WTF game but in conference the CCU game would fit that mold based on how we played them in 09) We dont take them seriously and end up losing and this board goes into total nuclear meltdown. Yes its Charleston Southern...but that does not mean that they should not be taken seriously.

[LUconn]

Let's get real. I hope the coaches spend the week scouting and prepping SBU.

[R i]

My opinion is Mike should have a limited number of snaps.
My stronger opinion , Mike should have a limited number of designed run plays. (when we were up 21. vs coastal)

My guess. Mike will do all he can to be in the game, and get those plays called.

[Kolzilla41]

we should DOMINATE. Honestly, if CSU score more than 10, I'll be concerned. Lastly, is that REALLY their stadium?

[TDDance234]

I'd like to see us try and really dominate on the ground. Des Rice has played well and we're going to need Holloway to be on top of his game towards the end of our schedule. Dominating the ground would help preserve Mike a little bit as well as the hits are mounting.

[Flame On]

To LUconn's point on prepping for SBU, any upfront homework would help.

However, I looked at the schedule and we play VMI on 11/5, get a bye week on 11/12 before SBU on 11/19, so we have two weeks to prepare for them.
SBU has CSU on 11/5 and GW on 11/12.

Get some players rested and re-habbed, doing some serious scout team work, etc. etc.

[ProudPapa73]

Coach Rocco's toughest job this week will be to make sure guys are mentally in this game from start to finish.